Molyneux: Why I Was Wrong About Libertarians

[Sola_Fide]

Me too, but

What the hell am I looking at?

[cajuncocoa]

With 2 or 3 possible exceptions (the OP being one of, of course) this thread gives me hope for this place.

[John F Kennedy III]

With 2 or 3 possible exceptions (the OP being one of, of course) this thread gives me hope for this place.

Yeah, there aren't many Liberty members left. Way too many Trump supporting authoritarians.

[John F Kennedy III]

What the hell am I looking at?

The epic Milo:

[cajuncocoa]

Yeah, there aren't many Liberty members left. Way too many Trump supporting authoritarians.

Exactly. And when they're not trying to convince us that authoritarianism is freedom, they're trying to bully us away from here.

[heavenlyboy34]

Stef sold out quite a while ago. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...light=molyneux

He was right about things like circumcision and voting and a number of others waybackwhen, but this is a different StefEra.

[silverhandorder]

It's impossible to refute what Trump says because what Trump supporters think he said and what he actually said are contradictory to the level of Orwellian doublethink.

There's thread after thread in the presidential election forum where someone points out that Trump said the exact opposite of what his supporters think that he supports. For example, as mentioned in this thread Molyneux says Trump is for free markets, when in fact he is actually a protectionist. His supporters say that he's anti-interventionist and isolationist when he is the only presidential candidate to directly say that we should put boots on the ground in Syria and then create a permanent presence in the middle east to "take their oil." They say he's against the Fed when he's repeatedly said that the government should inflate its way out of debt and that low interest rates are the best. He's against all of the banks when in reality he's chosen bankers as his policy advisers. He's anti-establishment but he wants to expand the power of the federal government and seems to have been awfully cozy with the establishment up until about a year ago. He's going to clean out the lobbyists when he himself has lobbied, employed lobbyists, and treats political policy as a business transaction.

Trump supporters actively delude themselves into thinking that their support of Trump is not hypocritical or in contradiction to their beliefs in two ways:
1) By seizing on a outrageous interpretation of the man's words (Boots on the ground is non-interventionist; protectionism is actually free markets, etc)
2) Outright ignoring the vast majority of what he's ever said as well as his written policies in order to believe that what Trump -actually- thinks is something he said one off-the-cuff at a single rally.

As proof of the above, some Trump supporter will now ignore everything else that I've said in order to dispute the accuracy of a single Trump contradiction, as if that renders the rest of the argument moot.

Now instead of a strawman. Refute what Stefan said.

[cajuncocoa]

I'll say one good thing about this (without watching it. I have no plans to lose those 30 IQ points today)...in titling his video his way, he distances the creepy, xenophobic, misogynistic alt-right mindset from libertarianism...good. All of you certainly were wrong if you thought libertarianism was about stereotyping groups of people. Until recently (18 months or so) that would have been called "collectivist thinking" by most honest, educated libertarians...but another group of charlatans infiltrated the pool and co-opted the language again. It was especially sad to see it take root here.

[r3volution 3.0]

Stephan Molyneux. "Trump is a free market guy...libertarians should be on his side". Ughhh

I never liked Molyneux, even before his alt-right Trumpist phase.

Self-professed intellectual leader, you mean. He's a cult leader, to the point where he openly targets kids from dysfunctional families.

He is so tedious.

It's pretty disgusting to see both Alex Jones and Molyneaux turn into Trump shills.

Trump, Molyneux, Milo, Alex Jones all appeal to those whose single issue is political correctness. While I understand their concern, I don't have the feelz for their pain.

Yep x 6

With 2 or 3 possible exceptions (the OP being one of, of course) this thread gives me hope for this place.

ditto, we might have finally hit bottom and begun our ascent back to sanity

[Todd]

Ron Paul cast some seed. Most of it fell on the rocky path. Some of it fell on shallow soil and they turned into Trump supporters.
Some of us still remember what he said and wish we still could hear it.

Go ahead and tell us all again how education campaigns are fruitless.

Ah...so that's what reason looks like. Thanks for reminding some of us here.

[The Rebel Poet]

Yeah, there aren't many Liberty members left. Way too many Trump supporting authoritarians.

would +rep if I could.

[Superfluous Man]

I will say this: I am not a fan of Trump's

Did you forget that you already outed yourself?
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6339400

[Danke]

Did you forget that you already outed yourself?
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6339400

He explained how he is not a fan of Trump nor a supporter. But might vote for him with reasons.

Oh I see, you are holding on to a grudge:

Coming from someone who joined in Oct, 2016, that doesn't surprise me in the least.

There can be a little more nuance here than calling someone a statist if you disagree with them.

[Sola_Fide]

Did you forget that you already outed yourself?
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6339400

If they say fat shaming works, maybe Trump shaming will work too? It's worth a try.

[TheTexan]

Molyneux

Now with 400% more roads

[Superfluous Man]

He explained how he is not a fan of Trump nor a supporter. But might vote for him with reasons.

Those reasons were his fawning over Trump being Trump.

[TheTexan]

Those reasons were his fawning over Trump being Trump.

In his defense, Trump is quite fawnable

[Danke]

I love Milo.

[RestorationOfLiberty]

Wow....


All I can say is wow....

"Wow, Just Wow" is not an augment. You have no case against the facts and are losing, this is understandable. If you want to fall on your sword, we will allow you to do so.

[RestorationOfLiberty]

I flat out refuse to open a video with him in it, I don't like his mannerisms or prose enough to try and glean a 30 second message from in among an hour of drivel...

Although I have been told what an idiot I am for refusing to subject myself to "one of the greatest intellectual minds of our lifetime".....

Thank you for admitting you have no argument.

[tod evans]

Thank you for admitting you have no argument.

Argument about what subject?

I can argue most issues without ever subjecting myself to a pompous ass such as Molyneux..

[AuH20]

With the exception of spanking, Molyneux hit all the points I wanted him to. The regressive left has definitely embedded itself inside the libertarian movement, corroding it with emotive rationalization and a general lack of understanding about man.

[RestorationOfLiberty]

Argument about what subject?

I can argue most issues without ever subjecting myself to a pompous ass such as Molyneux..

Do you hate him so much because he is more successful then you,or because he is right?

[tod evans]

Do you hate him so much because he is more successful then you,or because he is right?

Who in the $#@! are you talking about, "him"? Molyneux?

I don't "hate" him at all and never said that, DO NOT put words in my mouth!

I find him to be a "pompous ass" who drones on and on when his point could be made clearly and succinctly in less than a minute.

Now.............I asked you a question before you tried to tell me what I think and how I feel, answer it.

[r3volution 3.0]

Do you hate him so much because he is more successful then you,or because he is right?

Molyneux is a third rate intellect who makes a living conning fourth rate intellects.

...not a bad way to pay the bills, I suppose, but nothing to brag about either.

[juleswin]

Molyneux is a third rate intellect who makes a living conning fourth rate intellects.

...not a bad way to pay the bills, I suppose, but nothing to brag about either.

Very true, but it is really not that easy conning the rubes. And for that I salute him, he has been able to con the libertrians and then turn around and con the nationalist rubes. He is indeed an conning genius.

[r3volution 3.0]

Very true, but it is really not that easy conning the rubes. And for that I salute him, he has been able to con the libertrians and then turn around and con the nationalist rubes. He is indeed an conning genius.

He had formal training as an actor, IIRC.

[bunklocoempire]

I'll vote harder than you!

I don't see the sheriffs badge to approve of this post...

I'm wearing an old prescription, but the lenses are pretty clean. Are the machines taking over?

[bunklocoempire]

Molyneux

Now with 400% more roads

Lotsa roads with none of the parents pulling over to discipline their children. Specifically, spanking.

It takes a village of children, to dissuade spanking.

[RestorationOfLiberty]

Who in the $#@! are you talking about, "him"? Molyneux?

I don't "hate" him at all and never said that, DO NOT put words in my mouth!

I find him to be a "pompous ass" who drones on and on when his point could be made clearly and succinctly in less than a minute.

Now.............I asked you a question before you tried to tell me what I think and how I feel, answer it.

Well if you can do better, why are not doing so?

Molyneux is a third rate intellect who makes a living conning fourth rate intellects.

...not a bad way to pay the bills, I suppose, but nothing to brag about either.

Very true, but it is really not that easy conning the rubes. And for that I salute him, he has been able to con the libertrians and then turn around and con the nationalist rubes. He is indeed an conning genius.

So anyone does not agree with you=rube...Please do go on.