Putin The Guilty

[sparebulb]

Which culture, borders, and identity are the "right" ones....

In the case of Crimea, Donetsk and Lugansk, it would be Russian.

By popular demand of the residents.

[pcosmar]

It's a defense of your... "culture" when you shell a city that you think belongs to you and displace its inhabitants to return it to its "proper state."

The Count wants these poor folks Protected. so does Facebook.



My post wishing them Removed from the Earth,,was removed..a violation of community standards..

I like Mr Putin's Standards..just wipe them out.

[TheTexan]

That refusal to allow secession is the essences of the institution of the state. It's what makes states states.

It's why voluntary organizations like churches, with the governments that they have, don't count as states.

Quite so.

[nobody's_hero]

Except the residents of Mexico might be less imperialistic and arrogant, and might not approve of their military defending foreign soil. They might even decide anyone who wants the same protection they get should pay the same taxes they pay. Not everyone was brainwashed for eighty years to believe war is prosperity.

So where's the line between helping them escape the tyrant and taking them over then?

I don't think we've seen the line yet.

I said weeks ago that this is war. If it looks like an invasion, it's because he is 'in it to win it.'

No one will know if this was an annexation or not until the peace talks happen (or are allowed to happen). Putin's goal seems to be to cripple Ukraine's ability to fight, not just push them to a sort of 38th' parallel and be like okay everyone play nice now. He probably doesn't want to have to do it over again by leaving the job half-finished. If Donbass and Lugansk get independence and Russia leaves but Ukraine has the ability to just go right back in and continue shelling their own people, then it's a completely wasted effort (assuming that's the intent).

I could yet be proven wrong. Maybe he ends up taking all of Ukraine. But I think he's smarter than to annex an entire region where the vast majority of people would be causing problems down the line. As folks around here used to say "You can't win an occupation."

[pcosmar]

I don't think we've seen the line yet.

I said weeks ago that this is war. If it looks like an invasion, it's because he is 'in it to win it.'

No one will know if this was an annexation or not until the peace talks happen (or are allowed to happen). Putin's goal seems to be to cripple Ukraine's ability to fight, not just push them to a sort of 38th' parallel and be like okay everyone play nice now. He probably doesn't want to have to do it over again by leaving the job half-finished. If Donbass and Lugansk get independence and Russia leaves but Ukraine has the ability to just go right back in and continue shelling their own people, then it's a completely wasted effort (assuming that's the intent).

I could yet be proven wrong. Maybe he ends up taking all of Ukraine. But I think he's smarter than to annex an entire region where the vast majority of people would be causing problems down the line. As folks around here used to say "You can't win an occupation."

More of a "Police Action" from my observation.. Certainly not a war.. I have watched enough Live Stream to confirm that much.

He is going after the rats and snakes. Securing the dangers. eliminating Threats.

[CCTelander]

Hi. I'm just popping into this thread to remind everyone that all states are bad, not just ours.

But, please do continue imagining that Putin and the Russian state is full up of altruistic intentions.

HATE THE STATE, IN ALL IT'S MANIFESTATIONS. Whatever he is doing, it is for HIS benefit. Not for anyone else's. He wouldn't be doing it, otherwise.

This goes here.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...77#post7097977

[TheCount]

Pick your point in time, a given area can have entirely different peoples. Soviets kicked some out and imported Russians for the Soviet Military and Naval bases.

The Tatar ethnicity was created from all of the various (6 or more) peoples that already lived there around 1600. Maybe Greece should invade to reclaim their portion of ancient lands.

Quite.

Every vision of an ethnostate relies upon a snapshot in history deemed to be the 'correct' one. Usually, it's whatever came before the current state of the world. To Putin, the USSR is the 'correct' homeland of the Russian people (and no one else, likely), and it is 'correct' for it to be unified under his rule.

He said as much in his pre-invasion speech.

[TheCount]

In the case of Crimea, Donetsk and Lugansk, it would be Russian.

By popular demand of the residents.

Why didn't the residents demand that before Russian tanks were involved?

[TheCount]

The Count wants these poor folks Protected. so does Facebook.



My post wishing them Removed from the Earth,,was removed..a violation of community standards..

I like Mr Putin's Standards..just wipe them out.

If Mr. Putin's standards are to wipe them out, why is this man the leader of his most-used mercenary force?

[TheCount]

More of a "Police Action" from my observation.. Certainly not a war.. I have watched enough Live Stream to confirm that much.

He is going after the rats and snakes. Securing the dangers. eliminating Threats.

Who uses rocket artillery during a "police action?"

[pcosmar]

Who uses rocket artillery during a "police action?"

Azov Battalion.. All civilian casualties.. Documented. for the last 8 years.

[Krugminator2]

At least I think most of us can agree that the US should stay out of this.

I was just surprised about repressed economically the Ukraine is. From reading the headlines you'd think Russia was an evil empire taking over the Ukraine, a bastion of liberty. That's my fault for getting sucked in to the mainstream opinion.

That was the first thing I looked at. If Russia attacked one of the Baltic countries or even Finland I would probably be more sympathetic like I am toward Taiwan and Hong Kong. Ukraine is a socialist mess.

Mostly I just hope this doesn't blowback on the United States. I don't think the average person fully understands how hardcore the sanctions are against Russia. Their currency is worthless and their equities have basically been zeroed out. Seems like the kind of thing that could have retaliation like a cyber attack or bio attack or damaging the electrical grid if Putin stays in power.

[vita3]

Nazi’s have more or less about 10% representation inside Ukrainian Parliament

Lots of Western articles about them before the invasion

Avg American getting propaganzided for war against Russia has no CLUE.

[sparebulb]

Why didn't the residents demand that before Russian tanks were involved?

They did.

Although it is hard to run a new country under constant artillery, sniper, drone, and Israeli assassination bomb attack.

Lost to the Western media is the fact that Russian border guards intercepted and engaged a Ukrainian light armor unit inserting a sabotage team inside the Crimean border BEFORE the Russian special operation started.

[TheCount]

Azov Battalion.. All civilian casualties.. Documented. for the last 8 years.

Let me see if I follow your logic.

Russia needs to "police action" the Ukraine to cleanse it of violent, murderous neonazis.


And, doing so, its "police action" is utilizing... the same tactics as those neonazis.


And... that's a good thing?

[TheCount]

They did.

Although it is hard to run a new country under constant artillery, sniper, drone, and Israeli assassination bomb attack.

Lost to the Western media is the fact that Russian border guards intercepted and engaged a Ukrainian light armor unit inserting a sabotage team inside the Crimean border BEFORE the Russian special operation started.

Russian units were in those areas as early as 2014. There's excellent Vice reporting on it.

[A Son of Liberty]

What I've learned here today: Russia's war in Ukraine is apparently the first example in history of a state acting in some beneficent manner on behalf of some far-away peoples because it's just the right thing to do.

Cool. RPF's is an interesting place anymore.

[CCTelander]

What I've learned here today: Russia's war in Ukraine is apparently the first example in history of a state acting in some beneficent manner on behalf of some far-away peoples because it's just the right thing to do.

Cool. RPF's is an interesting place anymore.

I'd have never called that one either. Old Albert Jay must be rolling over in his grave.

https://mises.org/library/our-enemy-state-2

[TheTexan]

What I've learned here today: Russia's war in Ukraine is apparently the first example in history of a state acting in some beneficent manner on behalf of some far-away peoples because it's just the right thing to do.

Cool. RPF's is an interesting place anymore.

Far away? They are basically next door. People in Russia have family in Ukraine. And vice versa.

[pcosmar]

And, doing so, its "police action" is utilizing... the same tactics as those neonazis.

Care to present any evidence of that?

I have been watching LIVE Streams of non existent war. Live streams of Nazi Murders of Civilians.



and for 2 weeks of war,, I have yet to see any,, save Recycled war footage and Video Game images presented as the war.

#FakeWar

[pcosmar]

Russian units were in those areas as early as 2014. .

Until Clinton's Nazi Coup,, the Russians were close allies and trade partners.
and Nazi Punks have been Terrorizing the Country ever since.

Why do you support the Nazis?

[A Son of Liberty]

Far away? They are basically next door. People in Russia have family in Ukraine. And vice versa.

Well that surely makes it all seem worth it then. After all, Russians have SUCH an excellent history with regards to Ukraine.

Congratulations on finding that unicorn - the first state in history to nobly use war.

[pcosmar]

Congratulations on finding that unicorn - the first state in history to nobly use war.

I think our war for Independence was a noble purpose.

Removing a violent threat in a neighbor state would be mutually beneficial.

[TheCount]

Care to present any evidence of that?

I have been watching LIVE Streams of non existent war. Live streams of Nazi Murders of Civilians.



and for 2 weeks of war,, I have yet to see any,, save Recycled war footage and Video Game images presented as the war.

#FakeWar

That's because there's not actually any war. It's a "liberation mission."


At least, that's what the mandatory state broadcast which all Russian schools had to show to their students said.


You know, for liberty.

[pcosmar]

That's because there's not actually any war. It's a "liberation mission."


At least, that's what the mandatory state broadcast which all Russian schools had to show to their students said.


You know, for liberty.

Here is a good thread, if you are inclined to be educated.

https://twitter.com/LezLuthor/status...75827161554946

[TheCount]

Here is a good thread, if you are inclined to be educated.

https://twitter.com/LezLuthor/status...75827161554946

Oh yes, it's very educating. There's no war, and also the number 33 is coming to get us all via numerology warfare.

[pcosmar]

Oh yes, it's very educating. There's no war, and also the number 33 is coming to get us all via numerology warfare.

Very little war..

Apparently 2 Nuclear facilities have been secured,, and some Bio-weapon Labs.

I have no idea how many Nazi Punks have been put down.

All the images from the Ukraine Government are Obvious Fakes. Live Streaming shows life as usual.

It is a Quiet War outside of News Media Hype.

Mostly a Huge Distraction

[ClaytonB]

Oh yes, it's very educating. There's no war, and also the number 33 is coming to get us all via numerology warfare.

Username checks out...

[ClaytonB]

That's because there's not actually any war. It's a "liberation mission."


At least, that's what the mandatory state broadcast which all Russian schools had to show to their students said.


You know, for liberty.

Can't be liberty... because only America can give that...

[pcosmar]