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    Virginia Governor Northam Increases Corrections Budget In Anticipation Of Jailing Gun Owners

    Virginia Governor Northam Increases Corrections Budget In Anticipation Of Jailing Gun Owners

    As if Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam’s wholesale attack on law-abiding gun owners wasn’t enough, the disgraced public official and his Michael Bloomberg-bought allies in the General Assembly now want the state’s hard-working taxpayers to foot the bill for their unconstitutional schemes. The budget bill (HB30) includes an appropriation of a quarter million dollars to carry out a host of gun control measures that Northam and his anti-gun allies hope to enact.

    The $250,000 is appropriated to the Corrections Special Reserve Fund in order to provide for the “increase in the operating cost of adult correctional facilities resulting from the enactment” of Northam’s gun control measures. Among the enumerated laws that this allocation is meant to fund is a ban on commonly-owned semi-automatic firearms, the criminalization of private firearms transfers, and gun confiscation orders issued without due process.

    Aside from the insult of forcing law-abiding Virginia taxpayers to pay for the diminution of their rights, the gun control allocation is a severe waste of resources. Northam’s Bloomberg-backed gun control measures will not make Virginia safer.

    In additional to being unconstitutional, a ban on commonly-owned semi-automatic firearms will not reduce violent crime.

    Long guns of any description are rarely used in violent crime. FBI Uniform Crime Reporting data breaks down homicides by weapon type. In 2018, the FBI reported that there were five times as many individuals listed as killed with “knives or cutting instruments,” than with rifles of any kind. The data also showed that rifles were listed as being used in less homicides than “blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.)” or “personal weapons (hands, fists, feet, etc.).”

    A 1997 Department of Justice-funded study of the 1994 federal “assault weapons” ban determined that “At best, the assault weapons ban can have only a limited effect on total gun murders, because the banned weapons and magazines were never involved in more than a modest fraction of all gun murders.” A 2004 follow-up Department of Justice-funded study came to a similar conclusion. The study determined that “AWs [assault weapons] and LCMs [large capacity magazines] were used in only a minority of gun crimes prior to the 1994 federal ban,” “relatively few attacks involve more than 10 shots fired,” and “the ban’s effects on gun violence are likely to be small at best and perhaps too small for reliable measurement.”

    So-called “universal” background checks do not stop criminals from obtaining firearms.

    Background checks don’t stop criminals from stealing firearms, getting them on the black market, or getting them from straw purchasers. According to the U.S. Department of Justice, 75 percent of criminals in state and federal state prison who had possessed a firearm during their offense acquired the firearm through theft, “Off the street/underground market,” or “from a family member or friend, or as a gift.” Less than one percent got firearms from dealers or non-dealers at gun shows. ATF has reported, “[t]he most frequent type of trafficking channel identified in ATF investigations is straw purchasing from federally licensed firearms dealers.”

    This year, researchers at the Bloomberg School of Public Health and the UC Davis School of Medicine found that comprehensive background checks and prohibitions based on violent misdemeanors “were not associated with changes in firearm suicide or homicide.”

    Aside from enabling the unacceptable deprivation of constitutional rights without due process, an Extreme Risk Protection Order (Red Flag) law is unnecessary in Virginia because the state already has strong and effective civil commitment laws.

    Under Virginia law, a law enforcement officer may take an individual into emergency custody for a mental health evaluation without prior court approval. A person detained in this manner is then evaluated to determine whether they meet the criteria for a temporary detention. A person that was subject to a temporary detention order and subsequently agreed to voluntary admission to a mental health facility is prohibited from possessing firearms until their rights are restored by a court.

    Tax-paying Virginians should not have to foot the bill for Northam and Bloomberg’s radical attack on their fundamental rights.
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    Gonna need a whole lot more that $250,000.

    Keep pushing.

    Please, for the love of God, keep it up.
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    1776 will commence again!
    The left is pure evil!
    Last edited by Sammy; 12-25-2019 at 01:17 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Gonna need a whole lot more that $250,000.

    Keep pushing.

    Please, for the love of God, keep it up.
    Indeed. Double down you pussies.

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    Virginians are finding this out very quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPtotheWH View Post


    Virginians are finding this out very quickly.
    Government is about to find out just how little Virginians care about it.
    Hopefully the rest of the states will take the message to heart.
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    Virginia Dems seem to be doubling down on the idea of having a bunch of martyrs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voluntarist View Post
    Per RD540 - FY 2017 Jail Cost Report Annual Jail Revenues And Expenditures Report (Including Canteen & Other Auxiliary Funds) – November 1, 2018:


    So $250,000 translates to:
    • 5.4 prisoner years in the Northern Region
    • 8.3 prisoner years in the Eastern Region
    • 9.5 prisoner years in the Central Region
    • 10.5 prisoner years in the Western Region

    So, honestly, do you think it's being done in response to the sanctuary county movement? My take is that they're only planning on arresting individuals when they stumble into the banned weapons during the investigation of other criminal complaints; not that that's anything to gloss over. I can imagine police being invited into a home during a domestic disturbance complaint - and the banned weapons being discovered. It's going to be another tool in the divorce lawyers' arsenal. What do you think @tod evans - decent assessment or not?

    Imagine the following scenario: Aggrieved wife demands that husband agree to the divorce terms she specifies otherwise she's going to report his banned weapons, not to the local sheriff, but to the state police. Here's a follow-on question: how many family court judges have signed on to the 2nd Amendment Sanctuary movement?

    So if you're imagining some grand confrontation between the Virginia National Guard and some local county militia, then just forget about it. What's going to happen is a series of news stories with sobbing divorcing wives complaining about the local authorities failing to enforce the law against the husbands they're trying to divorce. Where do you suppose the local sheriffs and militias will come down on that?
    That's one instance, look for them to use legislation of this type to enhance punishment/fines across the board..

    Vindictive Ex's are certainly a major concern but they always have been.

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    The bill says the additional funds are to help cover costs of laws recently passed. They haven't recently passed any gun legislation. Just trying to scare people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    The bill says the additional funds are to help cover costs of laws recently passed. They haven't recently passed any gun legislation. Just trying to scare people.
    Good, they should be scared...maybe finally get them off their asses to do something.

    By the way, have you donated to VCDL yet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    The bill says the additional funds are to help cover costs of laws recently passed. They haven't recently passed any gun legislation. Just trying to scare people.
    You are wrong sir.

    The funding is specifically set aside for increased case load costs that are anticipated with passage of bills not yet passed.

    I direct you to item two: as of this minute VA has no assault weapons ban.

    This funding is just what the OP said it was: set aside funds for anticipated increased enforcement and jailing costs of people that have run afoul of soon to be gun bans.

    https://budget.lis.virginia.gov/item...roduced/1/402/

    Q. Included in the appropriation for this Item is $250,000 the first year from the general fund for the estimated net increase in the operating cost of adult correctional facilities resulting from the enactment of sentencing legislation as listed below. This amount shall be paid into the Corrections Special Reserve Fund, established pursuant to § 30-19.1:4, Code of Virginia.

    1. Allow the removal of firearms from persons who pose substantial risk to themselves or others -- $50,000

    2. Prohibit the sale, possession, and transport of assault firearms, trigger activators, and silencers -- $50,000

    3. Increase the penalty for allowing a child to access unsecured firearms -- $50,000

    4. Prohibit possession of firearms for persons subject to final orders of protection -- $50,000

    5. Require background checks for all firearms sales -- $50,000.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    You are wrong sir.

    The funding is specifically set aside for increased case load costs that are anticipated with passage of bills not yet passed.

    I direct you to item two: as of this minute VA has no assault weapons ban.

    This funding is just what the OP said it was: set aside funds for anticipated increased enforcement and jailing costs of people that have run afoul of soon to be gun bans.

    https://budget.lis.virginia.gov/item...roduced/1/402/

    Q. Included in the appropriation for this Item is $250,000 the first year from the general fund for the estimated net increase in the operating cost of adult correctional facilities resulting from the enactment of sentencing legislation as listed below. This amount shall be paid into the Corrections Special Reserve Fund, established pursuant to § 30-19.1:4, Code of Virginia.

    1. Allow the removal of firearms from persons who pose substantial risk to themselves or others -- $50,000

    2. Prohibit the sale, possession, and transport of assault firearms, trigger activators, and silencers -- $50,000

    3. Increase the penalty for allowing a child to access unsecured firearms -- $50,000

    4. Prohibit possession of firearms for persons subject to final orders of protection -- $50,000

    5. Require background checks for all firearms sales -- $50,000.
    No increased budget for law enforcement? This is outrageous.
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