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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Feeding the Abscess View Post
    The US government would allow California to secede over its dead body. Far too much economic activity would be lost.
    California needs to man up .
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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    I have said here before I support a right to self determination - state and regional succession. In this case however seeing who is behind it and the reasons I just call bull$#@!.
    LOL...all their reasons are bull$#@!. None of them are rooted in individual liberty and freedom, just a bunch of crackpot regulatory state economics and identity politics.

    Who cares...just so they go...who the hell cares if they turn into North Korea west?

    Just go.



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  5. #33
    @Anti Federalist, If it was a Conservative or Libertarian state it would be a different matter. On this one however I am rethinking my beliefs and are against it.

    I could see down the road an independent California allowing mass Asian immigration as well as an open border with Mexico. Give it time they would have a large military, be beholden to foreign powers and pose a threat to the rest of the US or any smaller break away regions or states. The west would be so outnumbered we would all be screwed and have to submit to whatever fascist regime they impose.
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  6. #34
    I'd imagine other states will still be getting their fruits and nuts.
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  7. #35
    What about all the wine!!

  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    @Anti Federalist, If it was a Conservative or Libertarian state it would be a different matter. On this one however I am rethinking my beliefs and are against it.

    I could see down the road an independent California allowing mass Asian immigration as well as an open border with Mexico. Give it time they would have a large military, be beholden to foreign powers and pose a threat to the rest of the US or any smaller break away regions or states. The west would be so outnumbered we would all be screwed and have to submit to whatever fascist regime they impose.
    They cannot defeat us .
    Do something Danke

  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    @Anti Federalist, If it was a Conservative or Libertarian state it would be a different matter. On this one however I am rethinking my beliefs and are against it.

    I could see down the road an independent California allowing mass Asian immigration as well as an open border with Mexico. Give it time they would have a large military, be beholden to foreign powers and pose a threat to the rest of the US or any smaller break away regions or states. The west would be so outnumbered we would all be screwed and have to submit to whatever fascist regime they impose.
    Meh, that's the Cuba argument.

    If they have an open border with Mexico, then why would they not become a second world corrupt state, like Mexico?

    Only difference is that everybody will have learned their lesson by then.

    No, they want to go, we should encourage and facilitate that as much as possible.

  10. #38
    Many will die before Sam gives up Silicon Valley

  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    They cannot defeat us .
    Which us

  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    I have said here before I support a right to self determination - state and regional succession. In this case however seeing who is behind it and the reasons I just call bull$#@!.
    Yes, we know. He's brown, so he must not be smart enough to understand what he's really trying to do. We should really send him home and let the white folks decide the matter.



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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by The Northbreather View Post
    Which us
    LOL , The rest of us .
    Do something Danke

  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    I'd imagine other states will still be getting their fruits and nuts.
    They can keep those over priced raisins , I can get 'em elsewhere
    Do something Danke

  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by The Northbreather View Post
    What about all the wine!!
    yeah...but what about all the whine?

  17. #44
    There would never be another democratic or liberal president again without California. The democrats would never have a majority in congress or the senate again. The GOP probably would have a super majority.

    Lets kick them out before they even try to leave.
    Last edited by 69360; 11-22-2016 at 12:46 AM.

  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    There would never be another democratic or liberal president again without California. The democrats would never have a majority in congress or the senate again. The GOP probably would have a super majority.

    Lets kick them out before they even try to leave.
    lolz, and never again would they hold the infamous popular vote.
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  19. #46
    Please, please, please let me lead a column of tanks and soldiers on a "March to the Sea" through California before they go. I'm sure all of those $#@!heads think it's cool that Sherman did it to the South. Why not reciprocate?

  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by The Northbreather View Post
    What about all the wine!!
    I'm not worried about it. I'm sure they'll still be willing to sell it. If they piss me off, I'll just buy Georgia wine or maybe I will winecede and make my own.
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  21. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by FunkBuddha View Post
    Please, please, please let me lead a column of tanks and soldiers on a "March to the Sea" through California before they go. I'm sure all of those $#@!heads think it's cool that Sherman did it to the South. Why not reciprocate?
    Most non-Southerners do. My New York in laws, for example. Hell, even my husband felt that way until I reeducated him. My sister in law told me we all deserved to die. Anyone owning a Confederate flag should be charged with treason and I should be charged with treason even though I've never owned one but because I'm a "sympathizer". True story.

    I was never interested in owning one of those flags until I found out it was a trigger for her. I'm not really a flag person but I wanted to have a Confederate flag theme for my birthday party just to freak them out. Mr Animal wouldn't let me, though. He's a party pooper.

    Interestingly, these same people moved here and complain that it's not like Buffalo. Everyone in Buffalo is smarter and works harder, btw. I keep reminding them that I-75 and I-85 head north and Delta is ready when they are but they won't go because they know the economy is $#@! up there.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
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  23. #49
    Only support it if the water, fuel, and transmission lines are cut at the border. Cal has passed restrictive environmental laws then craps in the backyards of neighboring states. This is followed up by their senators and reps dissing on how f'ed up the rest of the country's environmental regs are and basically rubbing the outlanders noses in the Callie-made sh't.

    IMHO

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  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    I'd imagine other states will still be getting their fruits and nuts.
    I expect those with means will summarily emigrate to the eastern 49.
    All modern revolutions have ended in a reinforcement of the power of the State.
    -Albert Camus

  25. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    Most non-Southerners do. My New York in laws, for example. Hell, even my husband felt that way until I reeducated him. My sister in law told me we all deserved to die. Anyone owning a Confederate flag should be charged with treason and I should be charged with treason even though I've never owned one but because I'm a "sympathizer". True story.

    I was never interested in owning one of those flags until I found out it was a trigger for her. I'm not really a flag person but I wanted to have a Confederate flag theme for my birthday party just to freak them out. Mr Animal wouldn't let me, though. He's a party pooper.

    Interestingly, these same people moved here and complain that it's not like Buffalo. Everyone in Buffalo is smarter and works harder, btw. I keep reminding them that I-75 and I-85 head north and Delta is ready when they are but they won't go because they know the economy is $#@! up there.
    You're welcome to come along!!!

    Also, please don't send your in-laws up 75, they might decide to stay. We've got more than enough carpetbagging half-backs here in East Tennessee.

  26. #52
    Will have to figure out how to get all those Asian imports from the California ports into Heartland USA.

    Our local Savannah, GA port would love the potential for increased business.
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  27. #53
    Can't realistically hold 'em all accountable...




  28. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    There would never be another democratic or liberal president again without California. The democrats would never have a majority in congress or the senate again. The GOP probably would have a super majority.

    Lets kick them out before they even try to leave.
    They should be forced out by any means . It is for the children.
    Do something Danke

  29. #55


    Quote Originally Posted by Kords21 View Post
    I'm sure TYT will be along to give California the same treatment they gave Texas

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  30. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by The Gold Standard View Post
    Yes, we know. He's brown, so he must not be smart enough to understand what he's really trying to do. We should really send him home and let the white folks decide the matter.
    LOL, right to the race card. No, like I said I would rather not have to contend with a new China or Mexico eventually asserting their will on the rest of us down the road.

    Anyway that CEO I spoke of whose comments went viral about #calexit is different from the OP article has since walked it back.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/will-...alexit-2016-11
    “In the heat of election night, I didn’t adequately or precisely describe my new thinking,"Pishevar wrote. “I do not believe in secession - nor will I ever. I never used that term. I love this country and everything it has to offer.”
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Meh, that's the Cuba argument.

    If they have an open border with Mexico, then why would they not become a second world corrupt state, like Mexico?

    Only difference is that everybody will have learned their lesson by then.

    No, they want to go, we should encourage and facilitate that as much as possible.
    Cuba did not have the economy to be a military threat and has the Caribbean separating us from them. California's population alone now is a threat even before they import a half billion Chinese and would be a problem if they wanted to eventually "liberate" the western states with their Progressive ideology.

    The CEO I was bashing that walked it back now has the right idea.
    Pishevar said the movement of states to regain power from the federal government was part of, "A new Federalism where state & local govts are empowered to determine their destinies while bonded together in a United States of America."
    Last edited by kahless; 11-22-2016 at 10:47 AM.
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  32. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    Most non-Southerners do. My New York in laws, for example. Hell, even my husband felt that way until I reeducated him. My sister in law told me we all deserved to die. Anyone owning a Confederate flag should be charged with treason and I should be charged with treason even though I've never owned one but because I'm a "sympathizer". True story.

    I was never interested in owning one of those flags until I found out it was a trigger for her. I'm not really a flag person but I wanted to have a Confederate flag theme for my birthday party just to freak them out. Mr Animal wouldn't let me, though. He's a party pooper.

    Interestingly, these same people moved here and complain that it's not like Buffalo. Everyone in Buffalo is smarter and works harder, btw. I keep reminding them that I-75 and I-85 head north and Delta is ready when they are but they won't go because they know the economy is $#@! up there.
    Sympathizer , love it . Now , it is true people have to work harder in Buffalo. Just think of all the snow they have to shovel just to get out to go to work .
    Do something Danke

  33. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by XNavyNuke View Post
    Only support it if the water, fuel, and transmission lines are cut at the border. Cal has passed restrictive environmental laws then craps in the backyards of neighboring states. This is followed up by their senators and reps dissing on how f'ed up the rest of the country's environmental regs are and basically rubbing the outlanders noses in the Callie-made sh't.

    IMHO

    XNN
    Environmental terrorists .
    Do something Danke

  34. #59
    I wish they would so they'll stop moving here.

  35. #60
    I still say this should be encouraged on all levels.

    Anything that can disrupt the Empire of States, even temporally is a good thing.

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