Trump vs. DeSantis

[Swordsmyth]

1. Whatever became of that Master of the Art of the Deal who, in 2016, was worth his weight in gold because he was going to brilliantly deal and haggle our way to liberty?

2. Isn't it amazing how quickly and easily people transition from expecting results from a newcomer on the political scene to making excuses for his failure?

But then, you don't care about liberty, you just want us all to enjoy Brand R Tyranny, and avoid Brand D Tyranny.

He made more progress than anyone else could have and exposed the problem to more people than ever saw it before.
It was overall a successful 1st attack on the swamp.

[Swordsmyth]

Or Don the gun grabber. Make excuses for Turnip Trump all you want, but Joe Biden patterned his executive order making pistol braces illegal by executive order after Trump's bump fire stock ban. Trump was also before the invasion of Iraq before he was against it just like Desantis was for foreign interventions before turning against the war in Ukraine.



Trump supporting war in Libya.

You know those 2A rulings that are getting rid of all of that? they are thanks to Trump's SCOTUS picks.
DS will give us the same old moderate RINO justices that have always made things worse.

DS is supported by the Neocons because in office he will do their wars, Trump ended wars and prevented new ones.

[Swordsmyth]

Don actually overrode the advice of both Fauci and Birx that the vaccine shouldn't be rushed. Fauci was on record saying a safe vaccine would take 12-18 months to test, this was in Spring of 2020. But, Trump wanted a darn vax ASAP because he was up for re-election and didn't want to hurt the economy, and wanted something to brag about. Birx has talked about this, and Trump berates her for it. Do you think Ron would have done this? So far, I would say no....

DS locked down like everyone else.
And without the rush they would have kept the lockdowns going until the economy was crushed for good and the Great Reset was imposed.
Trump did the best he could to keep the vax voluntary (rushing it helped keep it voluntary) but he was misled and only had bad options to choose from.

[Swordsmyth]

https://twitter.com/RogerJStoneJr/st...53448155791360

Wow the $1M Disney gave
@GovRonDeSantis
paid off ! Desantis pre-election Disney rhetoric was phony hype. Disney maintained:
• exemption from property & sales tax
• tax-free bonds
• fast track permitting

[unknown]

Rand Paul.

[acptulsa]

Yours is the logic of a subject who is accepting deepstate control of our elections.
There is a chance that he will be able to avoid being cheated this time and we must vote for him because he is the one they most do not want.
Polls and every other indicator show that the vast majority of voters agree with me.

No, yours is the "logic" of a lemming, or a slave--keep voting Republican over and over and hope for a different outcome (and the definition of insanity be damned). News flash: If Step One is broken, Step Two is impossible.

He made more progress than anyone else could have and exposed the problem to more people than ever saw it before.

How do you quantify that? He ran farther, jumped higher, reached more people and shined a brighter orange than anyone else who ever lived could possibly do. But that doesn't make anybody a cultist, or a worshipper of idols...

DS locked down like everyone else.
And without the rush they would have kept the lockdowns going until the economy was crushed for good and the Great Reset was imposed.
Trump did the best he could to keep the vax voluntary (rushing it helped keep it voluntary) but he was misled and only had bad options to choose from.

And when you aren't trying to sell him as Jesus' Right Hand, you're making excuses. Oh, little Donnie may not be able to add, but at least he doesn't humiliate himself using his fingers like the little Democrats do.

Are you here trying to get him reinstalled, or a Participation Trophy?

[Snowball]

I'm not buying it with Trump... As far as I'm concerned between these two, it's Ron's to lose, not Don's.

btw, PredictIt is still running. As of now, Ron has a very slight lead. Which is a lot considering he hasn't announced yet.

[TheTexan]

I voted divisive Don for the delicious drama

[Philhelm]

If you believe that Trump was cheated last time (and I do), what makes you think he won't be cheated again? And if you think it's a possibility, then why cast your vote for someone who won't be allowed to win? And if you think it's to show an overwhelming support, what makes you think that a majority of people who vote will also take that leap?

Face it - you don't really have any logic here. You just want to be vindicated in your support of your idol.

I think this can really be reduced to "Why vote?"

They will cheat any candidate who they don't want prevailing. The reason to vote is because (1) it doesn't take much effort and (2) if we stop voting they simply win outright without needing to resort to criminality. By forcing them to cheat, we can at least keep the narrative alive, for whatever good that might do at a future date, if ever.

[Philhelm]

Operation Warp Speed....

Bumpfire stock ban by executive order...which Biden patterned his pistol brace ban after.....

Floating the idea of red flags laws.....

Supporting an assault weapons ban before and after being elected president......

All Donald Trump's ideas.

Bad ideas, but they pale in comparison to:

Forced vaccinations, provoking war with Russia, weaponizing federal agencies against political opponents, government collusion with private entities to censor political opponents, higher taxes, weakening of your political power through u unequivocally supporting red flag laws and assault weapon bans, etc. The list is endless, but I have to stop here.

[Brian4Liberty]

https://twitter.com/FLVoiceNews/stat...62516460265472

[Anti Globalist]

If you believe that Trump was cheated last time (and I do), what makes you think he won't be cheated again? And if you think it's a possibility, then why cast your vote for someone who won't be allowed to win? And if you think it's to show an overwhelming support, what makes you think that a majority of people who vote will also take that leap?

Face it - you don't really have any logic here. You just want to be vindicated in your support of your idol.

The better question is, why do people think Democrats need to cheat Trump again? As far as I'm concerned, they don't need to cheat this time and can easily get duly elected. As long as they destroy his reputation in the swing states, there's no need to resort to dirty tactics. All they have to do is pin the medical fallout from the vaccines on Trump while proving Biden had no idea the vaccines were dangerous.

[Brian4Liberty]

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/st...45988381925379

Former President @realDonaldTrump answers our Ukraine questionnaire:

“Like inflation and numerous other self inflicted wounds and mistakes made over the past two years, Russia would definitely not have raided and attacked Ukraine if I was your President. In fact, for four years they didn’t attack, nor did they have any intention of doing so as long as I was in charge. But the sad fact is that, due to a new lack of respect for the U.S., caused at least partially by our incompetently handled pullout from Afghanistan, and a very poor choice of words by Biden in explaining U.S. requests and intentions (Biden’s first statement was that Russia could have some of Ukraine, no problem!), the bloody and expensive assault began, and continues to this day. That is all history, but how does it end, and it must end, NOW! Start by telling Europe that they must pay at least equal to what the U.S. is paying to help Ukraine. They must also pay us, retroactively, the difference. At a staggering 125 Billion Dollars, we are paying 4 to 5 times more, and this fight is far more important for Europe than it is for the U.S. Next, tell Ukraine that there will be little more money coming from us, UNLESS RUSSIA CONTINUES TO PROSECUTE THE WAR. The President must meet with each side, then both sides together, and quickly work out a deal. This can be easily done if conducted by the right President. Both sides are weary and ready to make a deal. The meetings should start immediately, there is no time to spare. The death and destruction MUST END NOW! Properly executed, this terrible and tragic War, a War that never should have started in the first place, will come to a speedy end. GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!”

Is opposing Russia in Ukraine a vital American national strategic interest?

“No, but it is for Europe. But not for the United States. That is why Europe should be paying far more than we are, or equal.”

What specifically is our objective in Ukraine, and how will we know when we’ve achieved it?

“Our objective in Ukraine is to help and secure Europe, but Europe isn't helping itself. They are relying on the United States to largely do it for them. That is very unfair to us. Especially since Europe takes advantage of us on trade and other things.”

What is the limit of funding and materiel you would be willing to send to the government of Ukraine?

“That would strongly depend on my meeting with President Putin and Russia. Russia would have never attacked Ukraine if I were President, not even a small chance. Would have never happened if I were President, but it has. I would have to see what the direction in which Russia is headed. I want them to stop, and they will, depending on the one that delivers that message. But with everything said, Europe must pay. The United States has spent much more than Europe, and that is not fair, just, or equitable. If I were President, that horrible war would end in 24 hours, or less. It can be done, and it must be done-- now!”

Should the United States support regime change in Russia?

“No. We should support regime change in the United States, that's far more important. The Biden administration are the ones who got us into this mess.”

Given that Russia’s economy and currency are stronger than before the war, do you believe that U.S. sanctions have been effective?

“No, they have not been effective. Just the opposite. They drove Russia, China and Iran into an unthinkable situation.”

Do you believe the United States faces the risk of nuclear war with Russia?

“It depends on who the President of the United States is. At the moment, with Biden as president, absolutely yes. He says and does all the wrong things at the wrong time.”

[Brian4Liberty]

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/st...46265692532738

Florida Governor @RonDeSantisFL answers our Ukraine questionnaire:

“While the U.S. has many vital national interests – securing our borders, addressing the crisis of readiness within our military, achieving energy security and independence, and checking the economic, cultural, and military power of the Chinese Communist Party – becoming further entangled in a territorial dispute between Ukraine and Russia is not one of them. The Biden administration’s virtual “blank check” funding of this conflict for “as long as it takes,” without any defined objectives or accountability, distracts from our country’s most pressing challenges.

Without question, peace should be the objective. The U.S. should not provide assistance that could require the deployment of American troops or enable Ukraine to engage in offensive operations beyond its borders. F-16s and long-range missiles should therefore be off the table. These moves would risk explicitly drawing the United States into the conflict and drawing us closer to a hot war between the world’s two largest nuclear powers. That risk is unacceptable.

A policy of “regime change” in Russia (no doubt popular among the DC foreign policy interventionists) would greatly increase the stakes of the conflict, making the use of nuclear weapons more likely. Such a policy would neither stop the death and destruction of the war, nor produce a pro-American, Madisonian constitutionalist in the Kremlin. History indicates that Putin’s successor, in this hypothetical, would likely be even more ruthless. The costs to achieve such a dubious outcome could become astronomical.

The Biden administration’s policies have driven Russia into a de facto alliance with China. Because China has not and will not abide by the embargo, Russia has increased its foreign revenues while China benefits from cheaper fuel. Coupled with his intentional depletion of the Strategic Petroleum Reserve and support for the Left’s Green New Deal, Biden has further empowered Russia’s energy-dominated economy and Putin’s war machine at Americans’ expense.

Our citizens are also entitled to know how the billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars are being utilized in Ukraine.

We cannot prioritize intervention in an escalating foreign war over the defense of our own homeland, especially as tens of thousands of Americans are dying every year from narcotics smuggled across our open border and our weapons arsenals critical for our own security are rapidly being depleted."

[Swordsmyth]

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/st...46265692532738

He'll say anything to win, but if he meant a word of it the Neocons wouldn't be pushing him.

[Swordsmyth]

Family Member of Jan. 6 Probe Victim Who Committed Suicide: Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis Wants ‘Nothing to Do’ with Jan. 6 Whistleblowers, ‘Ignores’ All Our Calls

https://bigleaguepolitics.com/family...all-our-calls/

[LibertyEagle]

https://thenewamerican.com/freedom-i...lator/d000621/

DeSantis' voting record.

[Occam's Banana]

https://twitter.com/FLVoiceNews/stat...62516460265472

[Brian4Liberty]

He'll say anything to win, but if he meant a word of it the Neocons wouldn't be pushing him.

Max Boot and Bill Kristol:

https://twitter.com/emeriticus/statu...82634049540097

[Brian4Liberty]

https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/...13990537494528

[Anti Globalist]

This poll is pretty pointless since I'm confident neither of them are going to be president.

[Swordsmyth]

Max Boot and Bill Kristol:

https://twitter.com/emeriticus/statu...82634049540097

Sure, just ignore all the NEOCON endorsements and watch the Kabuki where they complain that he publicly panders to the base about Ukraine.
Ukraine will be over before he runs or possibly takes office and he and they know it, Taiwan will be his war.

[jmdrake]

Bad ideas, but they pale in comparison to:

Forced vaccinations, provoking war with Russia, weaponizing federal agencies against political opponents, government collusion with private entities to censor political opponents, higher taxes, weakening of your political power through u unequivocally supporting red flag laws and assault weapon bans, etc. The list is endless, but I have to stop here.

Ummm.....Ron DeSantis had nothing to do with provoking war with Russia, weaponizing federal agencies, government collusion with private entities to censor political opponents, higher taxes o supporting red flag laws and assault weapons bans. Trump did support red flag laws and assault weapons bans. So....I'm not following your point here. Do you think Biden is running in the Republican primary? Even if he is, he's not in the poll.

[jmdrake]

Don actually overrode the advice of both Fauci and Birx that the vaccine shouldn't be rushed. Fauci was on record saying a safe vaccine would take 12-18 months to test, this was in Spring of 2020. But, Trump wanted a darn vax ASAP because he was up for re-election and didn't want to hurt the economy, and wanted something to brag about. Birx has talked about this, and Trump berates her for it. Do you think Ron would have done this? So far, I would say no....

Yep. I remember that. And as soon as Trump was out, Fauci was "full steam ahead" on the jab. And Trump still is pumping the jab and the boosters because the one thing he can't do is admit he was ever wrong about anything.

[jmdrake]

You know those 2A rulings that are getting rid of all of that? they are thanks to Trump's SCOTUS picks.
DS will give us the same old moderate RINO justices that have always made things worse.

You mean like Neil Gorsuch who voted to reinterpret sex in the 1964 Civil Rights Act to mean sexual orientation? Yes. Real traditional conservative. He and John Roberts (Dubya appointee) have pretty much voted lock step. When one votes liberal the other votes liberal. When one votes conservative the other votes conservative. Flip a coin and you get two for one. I highly doubt Desantis will pick anyone worse than Gorsuch.

DS is supported by the Neocons because in office he will do their wars, Trump ended wars and prevented new ones.

Says you. We're still in Syria stealing...I mean "protecting" the oil. Glad Trump negotiated the end to the Afghan war, I will give him credit for that.

[Swordsmyth]

You mean like Neil Gorsuch who voted to reinterpret sex in the 1964 Civil Rights Act to mean sexual orientation? Yes. Real traditional conservative. He and John Roberts (Dubya appointee) have pretty much voted lock step. When one votes liberal the other votes liberal. When one votes conservative the other votes conservative. Flip a coin and you get two for one. I highly doubt Desantis will pick anyone worse than Gorsuch.



Says you. We're still in Syria stealing...I mean "protecting" the oil. Glad Trump negotiated the end to the Afghan war, I will give him credit for that.

That's not accurate about Gorsuch, he is definitely better than Roberts and is way better than anyone the RINOs would pick.
He's been the swing vote in a number of important rulings in our favor and is pushing to rein in the bureaucracy.
Nice try at changing the subject from the gun rulings that are ending gun control for good though.

Trump pulled home troops from lots of places and prevented a war with Iran that they tried to start after Iran shot down one of our drones.
It's been admitted that he ordered a withdrawal from Syria and they ignored him and lied to him.
DS's recent comments on Ukraine mean nothing because it will all be over before he runs or possibly takes office.
His Neocon backers are counting on him to go to war in Taiwan and their criticism of his Ukraine stance id to give him cover for all the Neocon endorsements he has received.

[TheTexan]

Need more votes for Don ppl. Santis is catching up

[Brian4Liberty]

You know those 2A rulings that are getting rid of all of that? they are thanks to Trump's SCOTUS picks.
DS will give us the same old moderate RINO justices that have always made things worse.
...

Trump didn't pick. He was told who to choose. The same person will pick Supreme Court nominees under a GOP Administration no matter who is President. Leonard Leo of Opus Dei and The Federalist Society.

You mean like Neil Gorsuch who voted to reinterpret sex in the 1964 Civil Rights Act to mean sexual orientation? Yes. Real traditional conservative. He and John Roberts (Dubya appointee) have pretty much voted lock step. When one votes liberal the other votes liberal. When one votes conservative the other votes conservative. Flip a coin and you get two for one. I highly doubt Desantis will pick anyone worse than Gorsuch.
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IIRC, it’s Kavanaugh who votes a lot with Roberts.

It’s all a moot point. The same people will choose Supreme Court nominees whether it’s Don, Ron or some other Republican.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...ugh-for-SCOTUS

[Snowball]

Roberts is not trash. He was Chief when this country overturned Roe, and voted for overturning it.
He also voted against gay marriage, even though that lost 4-5.

[Brian4Liberty]

Operation Warp Speed....
...
All Donald Trump's ideas.

Don actually overrode the advice of both Fauci and Birx that the vaccine shouldn't be rushed. Fauci was on record saying a safe vaccine would take 12-18 months to test, this was in Spring of 2020. But, Trump wanted a darn vax ASAP because he was up for re-election and didn't want to hurt the economy, and wanted something to brag about. Birx has talked about this, and Trump berates her for it. Do you think Ron would have done this? So far, I would say no....

I think Trump had his reservations, but again, listened to the wrong people.
...

Yep. I remember that. And as soon as Trump was out, Fauci was "full steam ahead" on the jab. And Trump still is pumping the jab and the boosters because the one thing he can't do is admit he was ever wrong about anything.

https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/sta...00128213778432