Site Information
About Us
- RonPaulForums.com is an independent grassroots outfit not officially connected to Ron Paul but dedicated to his mission. For more information see our Mission Statement.
https://twitter.com/Breaking911/stat...12624703479809
Surely these are just a group of patriotic freedom fighters.
Last edited by fcreature; 06-01-2020 at 11:56 PM.
"The most visible and immediately effective tactic of U.S. terrorist financing strategy has been designating and blocking the accounts of terrorists and those associated with financing terrorist activity."
http://www.faqs.org/espionage/Te-Uk/...of-Assets.html
It's a long article. It explains the various federal laws and EO's used to do this.
I cannot stand ANTIFA. I think it would be a good idea for their funding to be investigated. But, I also believe it is a very dangerous precedent for our government to start labeling a U.S. group as terrorists. I haven't forgotten about the Patriot Act. Have some of you?
We already have plenty of laws to arrest the people planning these events and those starting the fires and doing the looting. The problem is not a label; the problem in my opinion is that Governors are not acting. Most have just sat on their asses and allowed their cities to be looted and burned. Disgusting.
But, please don't get me wrong. I detest them!!!
Last edited by LibertyEagle; 06-02-2020 at 04:40 AM.
================
Open Borders: A Libertarian Reappraisal or why only dumbasses and cultural marxists are for it.
Cultural Marxism: The Corruption of America
The Property Basis of Rights
Last edited by LibertyEagle; 06-02-2020 at 04:39 AM.
================
Open Borders: A Libertarian Reappraisal or why only dumbasses and cultural marxists are for it.
Cultural Marxism: The Corruption of America
The Property Basis of Rights
Governors are government figureheads, a free people doesn't need some suit to guide them in defending their property or liberty, what a free people needs from the figurehead is for them to remove all legal obstacles from them defending their lives and their property.
Reliance on government brought us this mess why would further reliance end it?
================
Open Borders: A Libertarian Reappraisal or why only dumbasses and cultural marxists are for it.
Cultural Marxism: The Corruption of America
The Property Basis of Rights
Government has failed in that vein for decades now, pretending otherwise doesn't make sense.
Maybe government is capable of defending the borders still but they've failed time and again on the granular level.
What they've succeeded at is growing and gathering lucre, not causes a free people should support....At least not if they want to be free.
Really bad precedent to set by declaring groups as terrorist organizations. Remember SPLC? Remember how this grew to start effecting the Liberty movement? Attack the crime not the collective. People on here defending this moron doing this can't see the bigger picture. If he can do this then the next guy might deem your little organization not acceptable.
Wait a minute! THESE are the people rioting! And THEY are the ones that will be coming for me - once they reach my neighborhood.
Are we to pretend 'antifa' might actually be a well-meaning bunch? By this standard, one could take a look at the German Nazis and say that some of them weren't really bad, so each should've been dealt with on an individual basis. How would that have worked out?
And somehow we become the bad ones who see between the lines and continue to stand on principle. They never learn.
+ Rep @acptulsa
____________
An Agorist Primer ~ Samuel Edward Konkin III (free PDF download)
The End of All Evil ~ Jeremy Locke (free PDF download)
Bad precedent maybe, but SPLC was NOT a government agency! They were wrongfully given all the power and respect normally reserved for government agencies. They received all that power from corrupt democrats who have infiltrated our government and have been working against the will of the people for many years.
If antifa is designated a terrorist organization, the government has a legal basis to use resources to go after and punish all the people (corrupt democrats) who donate funds, supplies, buses, bricks, legal services, bail, etc., to them. People like Keith Ellison, all those pea-brained celebrities and George Soros.
Last edited by Valli6; 06-03-2020 at 03:38 PM.
I don't see this line of thinking as accurate. They don't "scare the $#@!" out of me. I'm just aware that they have ill intentions and cant be trusted. Antifa doesn't exist to protect my, or anyone elses' rights! And I'm not merely "reacting" to this latest set of riots. I've been watching this thing fester and unfold for over a decade. I see an insurrection fomented by persons with bad and unconstitutional intentions, and many of those people hold positions of power within our government. Antifa has been heavily recruiting mush-minded children from colleges and universities since all throughout Obama's administration. Now, I understand why colleges and universities were amongst Obamas TOP donors in 2008 - second only the to the banks!
Eight or ten years ago, fusion centers - which are actual government agencies - labeled me a likely terrorist because I had a Ron Paul bumper sticker. The DOJ kept reporting that "white supremacist" were our biggest domestic terrorist threat. They used info from the corrupt SPLC as a basis to make these determinations. The "government' didn't protect me then from this abuse of power, because the criminals had already infiltrated the government! How do you remove the criminals from power if you aren't willing to acknowledge that there has been an orchestrated plan in effect for years - a plan that is anti-US Constitution and anti-American citizen? A plan that has been aided and abetted by persons holding positions of power in our government?
How would acknowledging this corruption and extinquishing it, equal "throwing my rights away"?
Bully for you. But it doesn't disprove anything.
It wouldn't.
Now. How would allowing Trump to label domestic groups " terrorist" acknowledge the corruption again? It won't. It just gives them cover by pretending Antifa isn't astroturf.
So how will the terrorist label extinguish or extinquish or extinkwish Antifa?
By giving them a legal basis by which they can charge and arrest officials who have been sending them financial and material support for all these years.
Does America have laws against supporting terrorist organizations or not? I'm talking about organizations that exist to destroy private property and physically harm people - groups who's goal it is to strong-arm people into submission.
I'm not a legal scholar. I didn't go to Hahvahd law school - but I'm thinking there are laws against mobbing up to destroy and beat people into submission, even when this oppression is coming from what appears to be, non-government entities. If those organizations have ANY ties, and are receiving ANY kind of aid from any elected or appointed official, who has been ruling over citizens - I want that person SWATTED as though they were Roger Stone, or a member of the Bundy family, dragged out in handcuffs, jailed applying the same standards regarding bail and solitary confinement, and then publicly tried.
Last edited by Valli6; 06-03-2020 at 03:38 PM.
I'd have thought the utter failure to Lock Her Up would have, by now, clued most people in that nothing will happen to the big players behind this stuff. If even a mid level player like Hillary can rest easy then no way will a Soros or higher player have anything whatsoever to worry about.
CFR is controlled by the BRITISH and is a subgroup of the Royal Institute for International Affairs.
Last edited by devil21; 06-02-2020 at 10:58 AM.
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
"Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
"Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
"Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
"Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
Proponent of real science.
The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.
Still not seeing how arresting high-powered crimininals for promoting actual violent crime, is somehow throwing away rights. "Protect me"? Just arrest people who are facilitating physical and material violence - particularly the ones in positions of power!*
Are you saying, for example, that if they do it to antifa, they can use the same tactic to attack an organization like YAL? Because I would see apples and oranges there. (And they've already tried labeling Ron Paul supporters terrorists.)
If YAL's mode of activism revolved around beating people up, supplying bricks, inciting riots, burning down cities - I don't think I'd have much of a problem with that. The difference between the two, is that one exists to cause damage and the other stays peaceful. What basis could they use to arrest YAL members as terrorists - unless they begin beating people up and setting buildings on fire? It's not "terror/crime" if you aren't being violent, therefore I do not see this standard realistically being applied to YAL.
Of course, yes, I am relying on the notion that corrupt persons must be rooted out and the law applied justly.
edit * Yes. You ignored them.
Last edited by Valli6; 06-03-2020 at 03:24 PM.
Not seeing you even trying to make any point here. Why'd you bother?
"your dumb. this is..."
WTF is that? Your personal version of reasoned logic? I have no idea which "this" you're even refering to - and I'm "dumb"?
One thing does occur to me... The things I spoke of could probably already be dealt with using existing organized crime laws - in which case - designating someone a "domestic terrorist group" shouldn't really be necessary to go after the organizers. I haven't seen anyone post that lately, although I think that point has been mentioned previously in other threads. In this thread, i'm just seeing a lot of vague warnings about "you'll be sorry" with no specifics - none whatsoever to support it. Sounds as though you prefer that rioters and their organizers be left alone to pillage.
*edit: Yes, you did.
Last edited by Valli6; 06-03-2020 at 03:29 PM.
Connect With Us