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And when he did that before it was a bad precedent. He's expanding on the bad precedent. I'm not wrong. You're just retarded. But that is nothing new to me. Also you don't even understand the meaning of the word "precedent." When courts refer to precedent they don't just talk about the first time something happens but all of the precedent.
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I’m sure I’ve missed all kinds of stimulating debate on the subject, but these “National Emergencies” declared by the President should be unconstitutional. When we have these edicts outstanding for decades, they are not emergencies in any sense of the word. They are policy with the weight of law. True emergencies should be like war, with a declaration from Congress.
If this goes to the Supreme Court, the best outcome would be to rule the entire concept unconstitutional, and declare all outstanding POTUS declared “national emergencies” null and void.
How much leeway the executive branch has to move around funds and fulfill it’s duty as the executive branch may be debatable, but this “emergency declaration” power should definitely lie with Congress, not the POTUS.
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Trump worried about unconstitutional power grabs as he tries to seize the power of spending from Congress to build his wall. "So Third World!
You have to obey the law!"
Fox News: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tru...r-davis-hanson
Fox Poll: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-2-13-19Messina pointed out that during his news conference, President Trump admitted that he “didn’t need” to declare a national emergency but that he did so to expedite funding for the wall, which Messina concluded made the event the “definition of not an emergency.”
“This is a troubling move by a president. The framers put together a Constitution to make sure that there was separation of powers and not to have kings. And I think the president is right, he’s going to spend a lot of time in court,” Messina said.
Benson seemed to agree with the sentiment, calling Trump’s decision “politically questionable” and “legally dubious.”
“Frankly, as a conservative, I hope he loses in court on this because I do not want a precedent where presidents can get rejected or stymied by Congress and go ahead and do what they want anyhow."
If Congress does not approve funding for a wall, would you support or oppose the president bypassing Congress and declaring a national emergency on the nation’s southern border that would give him the executive power to construct a border wall without congressional approval?
Favor: 38%
Oppose: 56%
Don't Know: 6
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Context:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ys/2881619002/"I could do the wall over a longer period of time. I didn't need to do this," Trump told reporters gathered in the White House Rose Garden on Friday, shortly before he signed a proclamation declaring the emergency. "But I'd rather do it much faster."
Last edited by Zippyjuan; 02-16-2019 at 04:49 PM.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Last edited by Zippyjuan; 02-16-2019 at 05:01 PM.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
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False dichotomy. Saying more wall is not necessary is not saying the borders should be open. Trump himself has tweeted the border is secure. (see my sig). Ron Paul is against more border wall. Rand Paul is against Trump declaring an emergency. Would you say they are "open borders"? Why are you against the principles of the forum?
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...cy-Declaration
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...onal-Emergency
Last edited by Zippyjuan; 02-16-2019 at 05:29 PM.
The border is not secure, Trump was using hyperbola as he often does and he was speaking relatively, RonZ is not against the wall, he is just a terminal TDS victim, I do not support the wall because I want increased patrols instead but there is an emergency and the President has both legal and Constitutional authority to repel invasions, I am for the principles of the forum and you are not, Ron may be absolutely opposed to the wall and the emergency declaration but that doesn't make either part of the fundamental principles of this site.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
The beginning of the quote was, "I could do the wall over a longer period of time."
Not, "I could stretch out the shutdown for a longer period of time."
According to Trump, there is no immediate emergency requiring that he build the wall faster than he could do over whatever longer period of time he means. He merely would rather do it faster than that.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
You might want to take a look at some of those yourself, chief.
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Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
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A wall is not the best solution to restoring US sovereignty, but it's a small part of it.
The state of emergency is political theater, now Donnell will try to claim that the border is really secure this time, and millions of invaders who made it here deserve a "Bill of Love" amnesty because he has a big heart, like Jeb!
All the while refusing to obey his oath of office and deport the illegal aliens, but instead providing sanctuary until he can get an amnesty "Bill of Love" passed in Congress. Is he trying to remove gov "freebies" for his Dreamy Students? No, but he added farm subsidies to the many other socialist programs that he provides for them.
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