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[LibertyEagle]

Fake Caravans and Decision Time for America
By Robert Ringer

October 27, 2018

People are often surprised when I tell them I believe in open borders … in theory, that is. That’s right, the libertarian side of me believes that a person has a natural right to live wherever he pleases.

Stop and think about that for a moment. Why should a bunch of corrupt politicians and bureaucrats be able to keep you from living in the country of your choosing? Or make you jump through hoops for the honor of legally settling there?

All good theoretical stuff, but, unfortunately, reality has a way of overwhelming theory, and the dominant reality of our age is that a significant number of the earth’s inhabitants believe they have a right to violate your freedom. I’m not just talking about political thugs and bureaucrats, but their envy-crazed followers as well. Thus, the reality of illegal immigration is that it has the potential to destroy a civilized country.

That said, if the United States were to declare undocumented residents ineligible for any form of government assistance, that would be a reality that would change everything. I’m talking about food stamps, unemployment benefits, and healthcare (yes, including emergency room services) — literally, all forms of public assistance — not to mention free education and myriad other government programs.
Some other actions that would change the reality of the illegal-immigrant landscape include:

-Immediately terminating the United States’ absurd anchor-baby policy and have it adjudicated by the Supreme Court once and for all. Babies of non-citizens born in the United States are in no way, shape, or form covered by the 14th Amendment, which was adopted in 1868 specifically to protect the children of former slaves.
-Passing legislation to end the visa lottery and chain migration.
-Meting out steep financial penalties against employers who hire undocumented workers.

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[Grandmastersexsay]

Agreed, and put up a wall until such legislation has been passed and court rulings won.

[juleswin]

If you really wanted to stem the flow of immigrants to the US, the one thing you can do is to stop interfering in the internal affairs of other countries, stop destabilizing regions of the world. Right now, we have cities with large groups of Syrian, Laotian, Somalian, Vietnamese, Iraqi etc etc immigrants all from places we have interfered with. Then you have this Honduras migrants after Clinton and her henchmen interfered with their govt.

The way they are pressing on Venezuela will lead to more Venezuelans coming to the US. The pattern is clear for all to see, the question I will like to be answered is this, what are we going to do with pols who keep creating destabilization around the world? my answer is this, deport them all.

[TheTexan]

the libertarian side of me believes that a person has a natural right to live wherever he pleases.

the dominant reality of our age is that a significant number of the earth’s inhabitants believe they have a right to violate your freedom

Indeed

[LibertyEagle]

If you really wanted to stem the flow of immigrants to the US, the one thing you can do is to stop interfering in the internal affairs of other countries, stop destabilizing regions of the world. Right now, we have cities with large groups of Syrian, Laotian, Somalian, Vietnamese, Iraqi etc etc immigrants all from places we have interfered with. Then you have this Honduras migrants after Clinton and her henchmen interfered with their govt.

The way they are pressing on Venezuela will lead to more Venezuelans coming to the US. The pattern is clear for all to see, the question I will like to be answered is this, what are we going to do with pols who keep creating destabilization around the world? my answer is this, deport them all.

I agree with you, Jules. But, I also know that we cannot, must not, keep allowing our country to be overrun.

[Anti Federalist]

If you really wanted to stem the flow of immigrants to the US, the one thing you can do is to stop interfering in the internal affairs of other countries, stop destabilizing regions of the world. Right now, we have cities with large groups of Syrian, Laotian, Somalian, Vietnamese, Iraqi etc etc immigrants all from places we have interfered with. Then you have this Honduras migrants after Clinton and her henchmen interfered with their govt.

The way they are pressing on Venezuela will lead to more Venezuelans coming to the US. The pattern is clear for all to see, the question I will like to be answered is this, what are we going to do with pols who keep creating destabilization around the world? my answer is this, deport them all.

The author in the OP addresses these issues.

Let’s get real here: Most of the money we send to third-world countries ends up benefitting, directly or indirectly, the ruling classes. Do we really want to further enrich corrupt politicians and their allies for oppressing their own people?

It’s not that complicated: Corrupt politicians are the main reason why the people of most Central American countries — and, indeed, most countries throughout the world — have been living in poverty and violence for centuries. Short of invading their countries and forcing our system of government on them — which we already know doesn’t work — the reality is that there is nothing we can do to improve the lives of their citizens.

[CaptUSA]

the libertarian side of me believes that a person has a natural right to live wherever he pleases.


the dominant reality of our age is that a significant number of the earth’s inhabitants believe they have a right to violate your freedom

Indeed

+Rep for highlighting the irony!



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[CCTelander]

+Rep for highlighting the irony!



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Covered.

[juleswin]

The author in the OP addresses these issues.

Sorta I guess. I am would never suggest invading these countries instead my remedy would involve not actively propping those countries up and not actively trying to destabilize those countries with war and economic sanctions. If they did that, I would bet my last dollar that it would lead to a drastic reduction in refugees coming to the US.

This doesn't mean that nobody would be trying to come to the US from third world countries. Heck, I had a good life in Nigeria i.e. better life than most people and my parents still wanted us kids to come to the US for education. As long as the US still has some of the best higher edu institutions, hospitals and overall economic benefits, it would always attract immigrants to it.

What is your answer to my question? what do we do to these politicians causing destability outside(and inside too) our borders?

[juleswin]

I agree with you, Jules. But, I also know that we cannot, must not, keep allowing our country to be overrun.

You know, I also think the best thing we can do for these people is to help foster stability in their country so they do not have to move. This would be good for them and better for our welfare system. Win, win, win all around.

[LibertyEagle]

You know, I also think the best thing we can do for these people is to help foster stability in their country so they do not have to move. This would be good for them and better for our welfare system. Win, win, win all around.

Don't you think that would be minding their business? I mean, what would that fostering stability look like? Overthrowing their leaders? Dictating their form of government? Isn't this how we always get ourselves in trouble?

[Danke]

[CaptUSA]

You know, I also think the best thing we can do for these people is to help foster stability in their country so they do not have to move. This would be good for them and better for our welfare system. Win, win, win all around.

Pretty sure we've done enough "helping to foster stability" in their countries. How about we just butt out, altogether?

[juleswin]

Don't you think that would be minding their business? I mean, what would that fostering stability look like? Overthrowing their leaders? Dictating their form of government? Isn't this how we always get ourselves in trouble?

Yea, that came out all wrong I should rephrase that cos I am with you on the whole non interference policy. What I meant to say is no more getting involved in their civil wars, no more trying to change their economic system or trying to improve their humanitarian standards. Just stop with the destabilization and economic sanctions.

Saudi Arabia is a demonic country who kills their people and their neighbours, they have a wealth redistribution system that would make socialist (read mixed economy) Venezuela blush. I want the US to treat everyone including Iran, Russia, South Korea, Sudan, Syria etc like it treats Saudi Arabia minus the propping of their govt.

[juleswin]

Pretty sure we've done enough "helping to foster stability" in their countries. How about we just butt out, altogether?

This is what I meant but got a little carried away with my post

[Ender]

Pretty sure we've done enough "helping to foster stability" in their countries. How about we just butt out, altogether?

Exactly.

The US staged coup in Honduras plus the US military bases etc, has done nothing to "stabilize"- not to mention the meddling in almost every other Central & South American country.

[angelatc]

If you really wanted to stem the flow of immigrants to the US, the one thing you can do is to stop interfering in the internal affairs of other countries

You know, I also think the best thing we can do for these people is to help foster stability in their country

[juleswin]

I actually explained what I meant in the next few posts. Keep reading

[VIDEODROME]

You know, I also think the best thing we can do for these people is to help foster stability in their country so they do not have to move. This would be good for them and better for our welfare system. Win, win, win all around.

Repeal NAFTA?

People complain about it's effects on American jobs, but I think it's also been damaging to Mexico.

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

Illegal immigration is bad for Mexico too, which never gets discussed by any side of the debate.

[TheTexan]

Illegal immigration is bad for Mexico too, which never gets discussed by any side of the debate.

It's Mexico though, doesn't matter

[dannno]

Somebody needs to turn this into a music video by The Proclaimers.

[Swordsmyth]

+Rep for highlighting the irony!



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I believe that killing people is wrong but I believe I have a right to do so in self defense.

Please explain the irony.

[DamianTV]

You can have EITHER Open Borders OR Welfare. You CANNOT have BOTH.

[Anti Globalist]

End the welfare state and the war on drugs. Those two things pretty much give people a reason to come here.

[dannno]

You can have EITHER Open Borders OR Welfare. You CANNOT have BOTH.

(Jewish, btw)

[oyarde]

Here it is , everyone knows you cannot have open borders in an american welfare state . Everyone knows it is an american welfare state . So what other agenda do the deniers have ? Whatever it is , will it benefit you ? If the answer is no you are not obligated to pretend to be moderate to appease people who plot against your best interest .

[fisharmor]

"All good theoretical stuff, but, unfortunately, reality has a way of overwhelming theory"
That's a fancy way of saying "I don't believe any of it".
This is classic politics, really. Say you believe in a school of thought but practice the exact opposite.
I have this crazy idea that people shouldn't be dirty $#@!ing liars. If you believe in a theory that you don't recognize as born out in reality, then you are either insane or a dirty $#@!ing liar. In both cases I am not reading the rest of your article.

[spudea]

Video of caravan peacefully waiting in line to be processed into Mexico just like what Ron Paul wants to happen at our border. @Ender

https://www.facebook.com/AztecaNotic...7687216424242/

https://www.facebook.com/AztecaNotic...9806551013060/

[Swordsmyth]

"All good theoretical stuff, but, unfortunately, reality has a way of overwhelming theory"
That's a fancy way of saying "I don't believe any of it".
This is classic politics, really. Say you believe in a school of thought but practice the exact opposite.
I have this crazy idea that people shouldn't be dirty $#@!ing liars. If you believe in a theory that you don't recognize as born out in reality, then you are either insane or a dirty $#@!ing liar. In both cases I am not reading the rest of your article.

Or reality and a theoretically ideal world are two different sets of conditions and a theory that works in one doesn't in the other.

You can try to come as close to conforming to the theoretical ideal as reality is to the ideal world but you can't go any farther or it won't work at all.