Libertarian wall? I like that, but is it going to be built on legitimately acquired land or are they going to use eminent domain t steal it?
This stunt is going to fail, just like the campaign promise.
Really?Originally Posted by angelatc
I find nothing is more libertarian than a good wall.
Yours here, mine here.
You mind your business, I'll mind mine.
Sounds just crazy enough to work.
Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows
“Ron Paul: “I was thinking the other day, how could I ever support any money for the wall, I don’t like the wall.”
Anybody who has been paying attention, knows that America was not founded on Walls. Walls are the anti-thesis to liberty, freedom and fiscal responsibility.
The real issues, such as welfare, are not being addressed. Interesting that while people tell me that welfare can’t be eliminated, people find it easy to coalesce quickly to build a 2,000 mile wall like there is no tomorrow.
This wall, if built, will underscore US imperialism so that future generations will have long forgotten the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights, which are not just for Americans, but ALL human beings.
There is a clear and distinct difference between protecting our borders, and building and establishing what we have fought; Hitler, Gorbachev, and other empirical states, borders, barriers, both physical and of the mind.
Last edited by PAF; 12-20-2018 at 01:54 PM.
Congress should just get together and pass a bill that all property owners on the border must pay for and construct a wall or face penalties, fines, and or imprisonment.
As long as they practice them within their own borders I'm good with that.
Trump the so-called republican should have fire-side chats explaining to the American people how socialism and paying for things we do not need destroys. Otherwise, why vote “republican” in the first place, if he continues to tax and spend.
Build you own wall on your own property on your own dime. Do not tread on me.
The welfare state cannot be legally dismantled. The enemy has erected a vicious, interlaced legal barrier around it.
The welfare state is treading on me and you a lot harder than a border wall..
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"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Wow. Just wow, that after the ban, omnibus, Medicare for all, stop & frisk, talk of biometrics, etc, you all jump on the trump bandwagon as if he’s doing you a tremendous favor. NY Lib destroying the “liberty” movement from within.The welfare state cannot be legally dismantled. The enemy has erected a vicious, interlaced legal barrier around it.
No thanks. I’ll stand by Ron Paul. I will never be trumped.
This isn't about Trump. This is the LAST RESORT they have left us. Look at the states that have been overruled when they attempt to cut aid and services to illegals. Build the wall in the convenient spots of entry and put a large obstacle in their way. It's simply too easy these days for the foreign dependents. I'd love to cut all the welfare, but we'll never see the day with the loaded justice system. We could have done it the easy way, but now we have to be hard-asses.
What MSFox do you watch? My taxes have been the same for quite a long time. This manufactured crisis as recent as it is hasn’t done a thing other than coalesce around a NY Lib.
A tourniquet cuts off circulation and is therefore not good for your health but it may be required to save your life until you can be treated for a severed artery.The welfare state cannot be legally dismantled. The enemy has erected a vicious, interlaced legal barrier around it.
Border/immigration control is actually necessary without a welfare state but you would think that even the anarchists would understand that we need one until we get rid of the welfare state.
The same thing is true of free trade and a regulatory state as well.
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What planet do you live on? there are more than 20 MILLION invaders in the country and the crisis has been acute for decades.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
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20 Million “invaders”? You counted them all up, or used reliable govt stats? Soon enough I will be putting you on “ignore”, statist.
I don't have TV.. all I have is raw data
Then there is the whole voting issue..
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
That number is from a study by a liberal university that has a motivation to underestimate the number.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
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Exactly! They could start the GoFundGov.com. You should be able to direct were you want your money to go, If you want to support a war, you select which war. If you want your money to pay for Medicare, you select that also. You should be able to pay off your favorite congressman's aid for sexual harassment!
Every penny needs to be 100% tax deductible. To keep things even, I suppose every dollar sent n is matched 50% of borrowed money???????
Utterly untrue.
I am, literally, looking out my window into the woods of my property, defined by a typical New England stone wall, as I type this.
That wall has defined the boundaries of my property since 1754.
Walls are essential for defining property and ownership rights, which are the primary cornerstones of all libertarian philosophy.
This "ya'll come on in" whenever and wherever you want is 19th century Progressive socialist hogwash.
Last edited by Anti Federalist; 12-20-2018 at 03:33 PM.
As I look out my window at my “private property” fence, too. Private property rights are indeed primary cornerstones. As are the private property rights of those who live near/on the border in Texas... you are meddling into the affairs of others, across state lines even, which is NOT a cornerstone of liberty, “Anti Federalist”.
Last edited by PAF; 12-20-2018 at 03:43 PM.
I am not sure how property rights are handled next to the border. In many areas the city owns so many feet from the center line of the street. So even though you have grass that you cut and a sidewalk that you maintain, the city can still make the road bigger or take over some of the property you think you own.
My understanding is that the vast majority of people on the border want a wall erected.
A cornerstone of liberty certainly is protection from invasion.
Would you prefer we line up with guns and shoot them?
And besides, that is not what you said:
When obviously walls are vital to property rights.Anybody who has been paying attention, knows that America was not founded on Walls. Walls are the anti-thesis to liberty, freedom and fiscal responsibility.
I have written enough stating E/W Berlin Walls, never about private property walls which are completely different.
The city? Or the Fed, trump or folks from an entirely different state?
I don't know but if the city can claim ownership next to the road, I would think the US could claim ownership next to the border.
Well, it all starts at Private Property, your home, then city, then state, then Fed. At least I know where everyone’s emphasis is in this liberty movement, turning it upside down. I gues RP didn’t speak enough or loud enough for folks to heed.
Borders are different than other places, it is the duty of the federal government to defend the border and they must have a right to do things that are required to perform that duty.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Yes. Listen to Swordy. He is more expert and credible than Ron Paul, or anybody else for that matter.
Do what is necessary. Build Berlin Walls. Keep building higher and better. Higher even. And when that doesn’t work after billions upon billions and Feds swarm like flies on crap, shoot to kill. Murder all of them. Biometrics to distinguish between them and us.
Don’t even go near the welfare honey pot. That is impossible.
Swordy, please have a serious talk with Ron Paul about this. He maintains his consistency, even just hours ago, that the wall will not work. Please pound some sense into that thick skull of his. I’m certain beyond a shadow of a doubt that if he listens to you, you will be on your high for decades to come. Then you can write a book.
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