Fight between neighbors over American flag gets nasty

[Suzanimal]

Oh boy...

VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. (WAVY) -- Two Virginia Beach neighbors are at odds with one another over a symbol of our nation's freedom.

The feud centers around the proper procedure for displaying an American flag after sunset. Court documents filed in a Virginia Beach court show Michael Anderson has filed three criminal charges against his neighbor, John Parmele.

Anderson alleges Parmele stole his American flag on two occasions after he did not comply with demands to illuminate the flag flying from his mailbox after sunset.

Federal code says American flags should be "be properly illuminated during the hours of darkness." It's a rule that Parmele knows can't be enforced, but should not be broken.

"I feel like it's a personal affront towards me and disrespect toward the veterans and all Americans for that matter, because it's just not supposed to be done," he says.

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http://www.11alive.com/news/local/fi...y/192562719?=p

[FindLiberty]

The light comes from within your heart.

Like E.T.

[satchelmcqueen]

maybe she should buy him a light.

[luctor-et-emergo]

I couldn't say it anymore clearly than that.

[phill4paul]

Oh boy...

"I feel like it's a personal affront towards me and disrespect toward the veterans and all Americans for that matter, because it's just not supposed to be done," he says.

Well, bud, I'm a vet and don't give a rat's ass. When was the last time you helped the local American Legion with vet services?

[presence]

The Code is designed “for the use of such civilian groups or organizations as may not be required to conform with regulations promulgated by one or more executive departments” of the federal government. Thus, the

Flag Code does not prescribe any penalties for non-compliance nor does it include enforcement provisions;

rather the Code functions simply as a guide to be voluntarily followed by civilians and civilian groups.

http://www.senate.gov/CRSReports/crs...22%20%20%20%0A

[angelatc]

maybe she should buy him a light.

This.

[TheTexan]

Federal code says American flags should be "be properly illuminated during the hours of darkness." It's a rule that Parmele knows can't be enforced, but should not be broken.

"I feel like it's a personal affront towards me and disrespect toward the veterans and all Americans for that matter, because it's just not supposed to be done," he says.

This is a Great American. /salute

For those who may be interested in better understanding our flag etiquette laws, there is great info at http://www.usa-flag-site.org/

The flag should be lighted at all times, either by sunlight or by an appropriate light source.
The flag should be flown in fair weather, unless the flag is designed for inclement weather use.
The flag should never be dipped to any person or thing. It is flown upside down only as a distress signal.
The flag should not be used for any decoration in general. Bunting of blue, white and red stripes is available for these purposes. The blue stripe of the bunting should be on the top.
The flag should never be used for any advertising purpose. It should not be embroidered, printed or otherwise impressed on such articles as cushions, handkerchiefs, napkins, boxes, or anything intended to be discarded after temporary use. Advertising signs should not be attached to the staff or halyard.
The flag should not be used as part of a costume or athletic uniform, except that a flag patch may be used on the uniform of military personnel, fireman, policeman and members of patriotic organizations.
The flag should never have any mark, insignia, letter, word, number, figure, or drawing of any kind placed on it, or attached to it.
The flag should never be used for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything.
When the flag is lowered, no part of it should touch the ground or any other object; it should be received by waiting hands and arms. To store the flag it should be folded neatly and ceremoniously.
The flag should be cleaned and mended when necessary.
When a flag is so worn it is no longer fit to serve as a symbol of our country, it should be destroyed by burning in a dignified manner.

For more details please visit this link http://www.usa-flag-site.org/etiquette-display/

[Danke]

This is a Great American. /salute

For those who may be interested in better understanding our flag etiquette laws, there is great info at http://www.usa-flag-site.org/




For more details please visit this link http://www.usa-flag-site.org/etiquette-display/

http://www.amazon.com/America-Flag-T...ct_top?ie=UTF8

[TheTexan]

http://www.amazon.com/America-Flag-T...ct_top?ie=UTF8

It's out of stock, probably because using the flag like that is highly illegal. And disrespectful.

See below for an example of proper flag use



You may notice the flag is indeed properly illuminated.

[Danke]

It's out of stock, probably because using the flag like that is highly illegal. And disrespectful.

See below for an example of proper flag use



You may notice the flag is indeed properly illuminated.

What flag...



Sorry, had to.

[otherone]

STATISM:

AMERICA'S FAVORITE
RELIGION

[tod evans]

Well, bud, I'm a vet and don't give a rat's ass. When was the last time you helped the local American Legion with vet services?

Seconded

[Voluntarist]

xxxxx

[TheTexan]

If you don't have a flag with well-defined and enforced regulations for it's respectful use and dispensation, then you don't really have a nation.

It's not being enforced very well, when smut like this goes unaddressed



This is a clear violation of United States Flag Code Title 36 Chapter 10 Section §176 part (d)

(d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery.

Unless the blue is on top. In which case its fine, like this:

[TheTexan]

For further clarification,

WRONG/ILLEGAL:


SUPER ILLEGAL:


THIS IS FINE: (because the blue is on top)

[Suzanimal]

I'm not sure this one is properly lit - should it come off?



And this is just wrong...

[Anti Federalist]

Can I get a ruling on these?

NSFW:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kqqZNX7SHE...i+diabetes.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/...36_634x422.jpg

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/d...triotic-34.jpg

http://theava.com/wp-content/uploads...BurningMan.jpg



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[acptulsa]

Can I get a ruling on these?

You could get shot for those.

[TheTexan]

Goddamnit AF. You always have to go there.

You could get shot for those.

As well as the photographers, the image hosters, and everyone else involved.

Although: the 3rd one is kinda cute.

[Anti Federalist]

Goddamnit AF. You always have to go there.



As well as the photographers, the image hosters, and everyone else involved.

Although: the 3rd one is kinda cute.

What????

I just wanted to make sure these people were in compliance with the flag rules.

[Suzanimal]

What????

I just wanted to make sure these people were in compliance with the flag rules.

You plan on stealing their flags if they're not in compliance?

[Anti Federalist]

Not in Compliance?

[Anti Federalist]

You plan on stealing their flags if they're not in compliance?

No no...I'll send some people from government to help "educate" them.

[acptulsa]

What????

I just wanted to make sure these people were in compliance with the flag rules.

They all used the wrong flag.

[Suzanimal]

Last week, when I was on vacation, I thought I accidently joined a funeral procession but it turned out to be a parade. Anyway, this was the flag they were flying over the town square. (see pic) When they took it down, it landed on the ground and then they shoved it in a big black garbage bag.O_o

[TheTexan]

Last week, when I was on vacation, I thought I accidently joined a funeral procession but it turned out to be a parade. Anyway, this was the flag they were flying over the town square. (see pic) When they took it down, it landed on the ground and then they shoved it in a big black garbage bag.O_o

Vacation - where? On what day specifically?

What time?

Do you have any names of people who may have witnessed it?

[Suzanimal]

Vacation - where? On what day specifically?

What time?

Do you have any names of people who may have witnessed it?

Port St Joe, FL
Thursday around 5pm
My kids witnessed it - I did, too, but I had been drinking. My kids are more believable, anyway. They're Boy Scouts.

[TheTexan]

Port St Joe, FL
Thursday around 5pm
My kids witnessed it - I did, too, but I had been drinking. My kids are more believable, anyway. They're Boy Scouts.

Thanks. Your information is very helpful.

[Suzanimal]