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False on every account. No one can sign a contract for you. It doesn't matter what your ancestors signed. Their contract is not binding on you. Further, contracts have to be entered in willingly by all participants in order to be legitimate. If not then it is fraudulent and void.
The US Constitution violates all these characteristics of a contract. It is forced upon you against your will. You have no ability to consent to it or not. Nor have you even had the opportunity to do so. And history has shown that any time members of the Constitution try and leave the other members will gang up and murder upwards of a million people to prevent said leaving.
There is no way in which the US Constitution can be said to be a contract. There is no way it can even be said to be functional considering the level of violation the government commits on a daily basis, meaning if it were a contract it would be void ed by the actions of the government alone.
Finally, nothing in the Constitution authorizes the federal government to regulate immigration.
So you are wrong at every level.
Oh, and you admitting that people who want liberty have no place in America? Icing on the cake.
Yes, and the Europeans were invaders from the very start. The very first Europeans were a militant company under charter by the British Crown the set a base colony from which to steal as much possible from the land and kill as many Natives as necessary to do it.
Immigration on the other hand is not invasion. Mexicans don't give two craps about your culture. They only have a problem when idiots like you try and use the violence of the state to beat, cage, steal from, and kill them for the nonviolent crime of working. In a situation like that anyone would go running to the other side who offered to protect them. Like a typical Progressive though you refuse to see how liberty is the solution to this problem and instead want to militarize the border, increase the police state, and empower the government to rape, pillage, and kill millions of their life, liberty, and property.
If your pathetic culture needs violence to exist then it isn't worth having.
Because you keep pledging allegiance and obedience to the "minarchist" state that threatens to kill you if you don't. Seriously, you've got more in common with immigrants than you think. And you just can't see it because you've bought the statist brainwashing hook, line, and sinker.
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The Federalist Papers, No. 15:
Except as to the rule of appointment, the United States have an indefinite discretion to make requisitions for men and money; but they have no authority to raise either by regulations extending to the individual citizens of America.
Ok, ok, ok......
@PierzStyx and @Anti Federalist, you are BOTH right and you are BOTH good men.
The problems we are facing cannot be resolved by good men smacking each other down- we can disagree but we also have to stand together.
There is no spoon.
You seem to forget you are on a geographical area where its inhabitants agreed upon a contract, long before you came along, which governs that geographical area. And that matters. If you don't like the contract then work to change it or pack you cigar box and leave.
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"The Constitution is the act of the people, speaking in their original character, and defining the permanent conditions of the social alliance; and there can be no doubt on the point with us, that every act of the legislative power contrary to the true intent and meaning of the Constitution, is absolutely null and void. ___ Chancellor James Kent, in his Commentaries on American Law (1858)
Looks like the "army" headed here has been reduced to maybe 200.
Most are looking at options for staying in Mexico.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1HH052
There is no spoon.
And that pretty much sums it up.
You want me and mine dead as well.
That's where we are at, and one way or another, it will be settled.
More than likely, your side will win.
Sadly, like so many useful idiots and Quislings throughout history, you won't find out, until it's too late, the invaders want you dead as well.
Brother, I'll stand with you any day, you know that.
I get a firm impression from the likes of Styx however, (and outside of our little bubble, he is very much in the majority) that when my thinking becomes felonious, like it is now in Europe, he will be the first in line to report me to the Human Relations Council for arrest and re-education.
You're an idiot. A useful idiot. But an idiot nonetheless.
I don't want you dead. Nor do any immigrants.
You on the other hand are the one willing to beat, cage, or kill people for the oh so *eeeeevillll* crime of being different than you. If you weren't so dangerous you would be pathetic.
As it is you are in the process of building a giant domestic police state and turning the nation into a prison.
And yes, if your "culture" is so weak and so sad that in order to exist it has to cage and kill those millions different then your culture is a culture opposed to the basic concepts of human liberty then it will diminish and disappear as a true culture of liberty and freedom develops in America. And the world will be better for it.
There is no way to stand with someone who wants to turn the nation into a giant prison and attack the basic human liberties of every single person in the nation.
And make no mistake, that is what AF is doing. It isn't just the millions of innocent nonviolent immigrants that will be deprived of their basic human liberties by AF's increased police state. A government with such power will eventually turn it against the citizens as well. And the sad part is that he'll praise it while it goes after Muslims or Mexicans and then be shocked when it eventually comes after him, too.
Styx is light years away from what a liberal is.
He is a Bolshevik Culture Warrior, keen to burn down everything around him, regardless of cost, lives or bloodshed, in order to build a Utopian fantasy world.
No different than the Communist butchers of the last century, killing millions to build the "New Soviet Man" or some such nonsense.
What makes a valid contract?
No I'm not and neither are you. No one can sign a contract for you without your consent, something you obviously cannot give before you were born. Nor is it valid when one party is threatening the other with violence if they do not agree. Meaning, even if I had signed your fantasy contract it wouldn't be valid because I am under duress and threat of violence by one of the parties involved- the US government, who will beat, cage, or kill me if I do not obey it.A valid contract also requires the parties' consent, which must be free, mutual and communicated to each other. Consent is not free when obtained through duress, menace, fraud, undue influence or mistake. Books have been written about the complexities of those factors. Obviously, a person who signs a contract because there's a gun pointed at his head hasn't consented to the agreement and can rescind it. All cases, of course, are not that clear-cut, and the law must applied to each individual case.
Also, consent isn't mutual unless the parties agree on the same thing in the same sense. This is often referred to as a "meeting of the minds." Generally, there's an offer and an acceptance communicated by the parties.
https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/175238
Thus there is no way the Constitution can be considered a contract or a valid contract.
I love it when 'Muricans tell me that if I want to live free then I have to move from the country. Its an admission that America is not a free country and their ways are in opposition to basic human liberty. It also betrays the very ideals America was supposedly founded upon- namely that the US government does not get its "powers from the consent of the governed" and instead the "history of the present [US government] is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over" the people.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
You morons can't even get me straight. Either I'm an anarchist who hates all government and wants none or I'm a Bolshevik who wants to establish an absolute authoritarian state.
Does the contradiction hurt or do you just gloss it over with doublespeak and making words mean whatever you want them to mean when you use them?
In any case lets review.
Pierzstyx: Doesn't believe in socialized ownership of property, rejects authoritarian government, rejects all centralized government, believes in a nonviolent society, and believes in inherent and inalienable universal human rights.
Antifederalist: Believes in the socialized state ownership and control of the entire country, believes in the power of the centralized state the deprive millions of their liberty for daring to look differently, speak differently, and believing differently than him, and believes in building the militarized police state necessary to track the identity, movements, and position of all humans within it necessary to deprive millions of their liberty, property, and life for nonviolent "crimes." Also is a cultural Marxist who uses identity politics as a way to identify "culture" and use the violence of the state who don't fit the identity he thinks everyone should have.
And I'm the Bolshevik? You're the one spouting Socialist propaganda.
What a joke. This suggests a sad truth: Either you're too stupid to know what a Bolshevik actually is or you really are just another well meaning fool serving as a useful tool by those in power to perpetuate and expand their control.
You're also an embarrassment to the term Antifederalist as you betray all that it means and all they stood for.
Antifederalist: Believes in the socialized state ownership and control of the entire country, believes in the power of the centralized state the deprive millions of their liberty for daring to look differently, speak differently, and believing differently than him, and believes in building the militarized police state necessary to track the identity, movements, and position of all humans within it necessary to deprive millions of their liberty, property, and life for nonviolent "crimes." Also is a cultural Marxist who uses identity politics as a way to identify "culture" and use the violence of the state who don't fit the identity he thinks everyone should have.
Wanting border control and limits on immigration makes him all of that. OK...
Last edited by Danke; 04-10-2018 at 12:44 PM.
Pfizer Macht Frei!
Openly Straight Man, Danke, Awarded Top Rated Influencer. Community Standards Enforcer.
Quiz: Test Your "Income" Tax IQ!
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The Federalist Papers, No. 15:
Except as to the rule of appointment, the United States have an indefinite discretion to make requisitions for men and money; but they have no authority to raise either by regulations extending to the individual citizens of America.
Nope.
I refuse to take part in your Left-Right Propaganda. You may be content to be a Communist- your "enemies"- or be a National Socialist -yourself- but us believers in human liberty -voluntaryists, libertarians, anarchocapitalists, agorists and more- exist totally divorced from your fantasy world or perpetual violence and state dependence.
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