And they were going to replace that line with a different car model at the plant- not losing any jobs.Originally Posted by olehounddog
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That's ok. if it provides jobs to Americans then we can afford to pay a little more.
I imagine there will be some type of Yuuge tax credit in the future for buying an american made car.
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There are all manner of light trucks and economy cars that get phenomenal mileage that we can't have because Uncle.
A turbo diesel Toyota HiLux...can't have it.
An 80 mpg diesel Ford Focus...can't have it.
A $6500 brand new 4 door hatchback that gets 52 mpg...can't have it.
What government has done to the car industry and how it has limited choice for the American people is criminal.
In my own life, Uncle is forcing me to give up my VW Jetta diesel that get a consistent 45 mpg.
So I swapped it for a Jeep Grand Cherokee.
Twice the weight, twice the fuel use, twice the emissions.
Government logic.
Last edited by Anti Federalist; 11-18-2016 at 04:01 PM.
As has already been noted...
I'll take a "protectionist" tariff over income or property taxes any day.
I very much agree.
I think once the balance of trade is restructured with other countries and America's manufacturing base is rebuilt you can slash the tariff and reduce government intervention further.
Most importantly, don't resign "free trade" agreements that bilaterally dictate market conditions to entire populations.
I think Trump is going to do his damnedest to void the current NAFTA etc agreements and try to rework agreements that simply open our markets to each other without slanting the playing field the way NAFTA does.
As a Canadian I'm part of NAFTA and I say TEAR THAT BASTARD UP.
I also know Trump is a shrewd businessman who isn't looking to block real business opportunities between the enterprises of Nations.
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Yes, that's what I meant, Hilux, stupid autocorrect. mine was such a fun little truck more like a Tonka truck than a grownup vehicle. That new one looks pretty damn snazzy though.There are all manner of light trucks and economy cars that get phenomenal mileage that we can't have because Uncle.
A turbo diesel Toyota HiLux...can't have it.
It's for the environment! I thank you ,on behalf of the children and polar bears, for your help saving the planet, comrade.
... do you believe that's going to happen? Is that the intent? Other taxes are going to be removed or replaced?
Also, protectionism is what caused other American economic failures in the past, such as what happened to the American auto and steel industries. Protectionism causes only temporary bubbles of false prosperity which will cause greater grief when they pop than would otherwise exist if government simply stayed out of the way and allowed things to happen naturally.
That's among the ridiculous parts of Trump's economic plans: He intends, through protectionism, to provide a charade of prosperity with nothing behind it.
Last edited by TheCount; 11-18-2016 at 04:36 PM.
Trump has pledged enormous across the board tax reductions. Income and corporate taxes are two biggies he has pledged to slash. 15% flat tax if I'm not mistaken. He has also pledged that for American companies based overseas their rate will be reduced to 10%. If they invest returning money into the infrastructure of American cities that need it most the rate goes down to 7.5%.
Another pledge was to repeal ACA and replace it with very little. A tax exempt account for health care insurance is a proposed solution. Your money, your choice. Nearly 1400 pages of ridiculous legalese traded out for nearly nothing. Maybe nothing, we'll see.
Repealing ACA is an enormous tax relief burden on America as a whole. It also weakens the IRS.
Check marks there.
So now we are in wait and see mode waiting for Jan 20th.
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Yes, I think this needs to be part of the new industrial landscape.
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So the answer is no, then. No taxes will be removed, we will only add new taxes.
It is a Lincoln plant. Navigators were staying, MKZs were moving. Now the MKZs are also staying.
The 80's and 90's were good decades. In that spirit, this current charade blows chunks. I'll happily settle for a couple of decades of that charade again.
None of the rest can happen until after January 20. What happened is Trump talked to Ford and Ford now says he will not move production to Mexico.
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I got an 86 22RET factory turbo with a Tennessee chassis and 90k miles.
I've also got a vw TDI 1.8 on pallet that will eventually bolt in via acme adapter plate
u jealous
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...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...
I'm guessing you mean the 22R-TE? And, at 90k...yes.I got an 86 22RET factory turbo with a Tennessee chassis and 90k miles.
I've also got a vw TDI 1.8 on pallet that will eventually bolt in via acme adapter plate
u jealous
Whoever wrote that could use some economics lessons.
yup typo my bad
clean body, clean bed off an 82 with the side locks on the tail gate, and a fiberglass cap; well faded camo job
just been sittin there, turn it over once a month... mostly side burnered till I have a chance to do the engine swap
last thing it really did was drive cross country about 8 years ago
its destination is ag tires, low range, vw diesel trail truck
'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988
Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation
'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3
Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.
...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...
Please enlighten us.
I don't believe in any kind of welfare, to include industrial welfare. What difference is there between the government simply taking my money and giving it to people who work in the manufacturing industry, for example, vs. forcing me to pay an inflated price for their inferior products via protectionist trade policies? Should all states forbid drivers from pumping their own gas so that we can bring back the gas station attendant industry?
Protectionism cannot save an industry from progress, it can only delay the inevitable as well as make it more dramatic and painful when the bubble pops. You can look at any part of the rust belt as an example of this: Would old steel towns be in as bad of a shape if they had been allowed to lose out slowly over time rather than all at once when they collapsed under their own weight despite the aid of government? I doubt it.
I have no idea what's going to happen.
I said what I would be happy with and would prefer.
Nice acquisition. Yup..there's a bit of jealous.
LOL. Okay. If creative accounting is what you're talking about.
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I don't either. But I am not going to get what I want, so I'll take what I can get. I've consistently said that if I had to pick between socialism and fascism, I'd pick fascism because at least they produce something of value. It isn't perfectly efficient but it's more efficient than socialism.
All Trump would need to do is to get his AG to find Mexico guilty of something. (Drug laws? Economic terrorism? ) Seize the assets they have in the US and start hiring contractors. Boom - Mexico pays for the wall.
I do not want the wall, but I am not deluded into thinking that it can't happen just as he said it could.
Maybe that could encourage other countries to start seizing US companies operating within their borders too.
The wall will probably be payed for in Tariffs. Historically, city walls were a source of tax income as well as defense.
Eris Peters weighs in on just what we were talking about.
Trump vs. the Zampolits
http://ericpetersautos.com/2016/11/2...-vs-zampolits/
By eric -November 20, 2016
If the Clovers are in a panic, it is probably time to get happy. And they are very panicky, indeed. About (cue Emperor Palpatine voice) a great many things. One of which is the prospect that Darth Trump – as they view him – might actually dial back the regulatory apparat that has given us cars designed by federal bureaucrats who function very much as Soviet-era political officers did – looking over the shoulder of field commanders (engineers, in this case) and second-guessing if not dictating their every move.
Trump may be agreeable to the idea that cars ought to be designed by engineers – responding to the wants and needs of the people who buy them.
Not bureaucrats, not self-appointed “advocates” such as the recently departed Clarence Ditlow.
Wouldn’t that be something?
We’ve become so used to Washington Motors that it’s almost reflexive to accept that it’s the rightful job of a small gaggle of bureaucrat/political officers in agencies such as the EPA and NHTSA to tell us what features we’ll have in our cars – whether we want ’em or not, need ’em or not.
Which we’re compelled to pay for, too.
Bu why should this be so? By what right do these bureaucrat Zampolits dictate vehicle design parameters?
Especially with regard to “safety.”
What comes out of a car’s tailpipe may cause harm to someone else. If so, then a morally defensible argument can be made that such emissions must be limited or reduced so that they do not cause harm.
But driving a lightweight car without air bags harms no one. At most, the driver – the owner – of the car might suffer injury (or greater injury) if he crashes. But if he does not crash, he isn’t injured and even if he is injured, that is his concern – not a DC Zampolit’s.
Assuming, that is, you reject the nauseating idea that it is the right and proper business of the government to parent grown adults.
Trump appears to grok the quaint American idea (well, it used to be the American idea) that grown-ups have the right, in a free society, to not be led around by the nose by other adults, for their “safety.”
This is sound morality – and economics.
“Safety” – which can be defined by such things as a given car’s ability to protect the occupants in the event of a crash, the crash-avoidance technologies it offers, etc. – is a value. One of the many idiocies purveyed by the DC Zampolits is the idea that people must be forced to buy things of value to them.
Well, what about Volvo?
The company (now in trouble, incidentally; comments as to why follow below) built itself into a global presence on just that.
Safety.
Without forcing people to buy in.
Volvo emphasized big, heavy cars that could handle barrel rolls and kissing oak trees head-on at 40 MPH better than just about anything else on the road. Volvo was the first to offer three-point (lap and shoulder) seat belts, too.
Which people who valued such things freely bought.
It is risible to believe – and this is the bedrock premise of the regulatory Zampolits – that absent the state’s forcing them to, people would not buy cars like Volvos or seat belts.
They inarguable fact is, they did.
The problem – the thing the Zampolits do not want discussed – is that not everyone values things equally. Some people value other things more. Like lower cost, or lighter weight or higher fuel efficiency.
Why is this – free choice, freely expressed – verboten?
Back when we still had a mostly market-driven car business, you could choose to buy a Volvo 240… or a VW Beetle or Datsun B210 (which got 50 mpg on the highway without a single computer in it) The Volvo was a tank and so exceptionally “safe” in terms of its ability to protect the occupants from injury in the event of a crash.
The Beetle and B210 and cars like them were smaller and lighter – and if you wrecked, you’d probably not be as likely to walk away from it uninjured as would have been the case if you’d been driving the slab-sided Volvo. But in exchange for that greater potential risk, you enjoyed the actual benefit – to you, as defined by you – of a lighter, more fuel-efficient and more fun to drive car.
You had the choice – and so did everyone else.
This is intolerable to the Zampolits.
They insist everyone drive a (de facto) Volvo. That no one be allowed (consider the effrontery) to drive something not “safe” – as they define it. Thus, all new cars are Volvos. Federal regulations have made them so. There is no longer the option to choose a not-Volvo, something that emphasizes other values.
Which is why Volvo is struggling now, incidentally. When every car company is forced to sell “safety,” it is no longer much of a selling point. Porsche would be having a hard time, too, if the federal Zampolits upchucked mandates that decreed every new car be capable of accelerating from zero to 60 in less than 5 seconds.
Maybe they ought to – at least we’d have some fun, then.
In addition to being tyrants, the Zampolits are also killjoys – but that’s another rant.
Getting back to Trump.
He ought to call a press conference and announce that, henceforth, it will no longer be the role of federal Zampolits to decree vehicle “safety” standards. This will not mean the green light for the car companies to build defective cars; that would be causing harm and causing harm is the sole legitimate reason for the government to weigh in.
It will simply mean that – as it once was – buyers (market demand) will determine how cars are designed, the features they offer. Engineers will design accordingly. Some cars will emphasize their superior crashworthiness, or technology that makes a crash less likely. Those buyers who value such things highly will be able to vote with their dollars, accordingly.
But other people – who value different things – will no longer be “nudged” (another exceptionally obnoxious term favored by Zampolits) to the Zampolits’ way of thinking. Car companies would be free once more to cater to the needs and wants of everyone – not just the Zampolits.
Think about it. Why – in a free country – should you be prohibited from buying a basic, $6,000 car not equipped with air bags, or other such, but which meets your needs for low-cost, A to B transportation? Such cars are not hypothetical. They are available. The Renault Kwid, for example.
Just not here. Because the Zampolits disapprove.
Well, screw them. It is none of their business what other people choose to buy or drive, provided what they buy and drive doesn’t hurt someone else.
Trump got elected because millions of people are dying for someone to tell the Zampolits to go to hell.
Or at least, go away.
If he delivers, he’ll go far.
And more important, we will too.
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