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  1. #241
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    ...and, according to our Sieg-heiling "pals," a dirty jew.
    The sort of blithering morons who could reject this on the same grounds...



    We just have to ensure they never again get so much power that their loss is everyone's loss.
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    We believe our lying eyes...



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  3. #242
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    No worries.

    Perhaps I could re-phrase it:

    All three of those traits can be found, by conventional wisdom's definitions anyway, in Ron Paul.

    Republican, check.

    Traditionalist, check.

    Racist, (according to the people who were running around here ten years ago with their hair on fire over the newsletter debacle) check.

    Are "racists" bad?

    Sure, depending on how you define that.

    "Round up all of 'X' using forces of the state, and shoot them on the edge of the mass grave." - Clearly bad.

    "Damn, that black kid that just mugged me was able to get away, because he was 'fleet of foot' and my middle aged broke down ass couldn't catch him!" (That was, IIRC, the upshot of the horrible, awful, earth shattering, end of the world 'racism' that was contained in the newsletters, or words to that effect) - A declaration of a clearly demonstrable event. Not bad, as far as I'm concerned.

    Nor is it bad or racism, to discuss the existence of and causes of violent crime committed in disproportional numbers by young black men.

    Or a whole host of other issues, that the left has now declared verboten to speak of.
    I would +rep you, but one must rep 2,309.65 people before you can rep so-and-so again these days.
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  4. #243
    Quote Originally Posted by The Rebel Poet View Post
    I would +rep you, but one must rep 2,309.65 people before you can rep so-and-so again these days.
    The number of good posters you must rep before you can get back to someone hasn't changed. But the number of good posters sure has, since banning people who are rude to stormfronters became a thing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    We believe our lying eyes...

  5. #244
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    No the left attacked first.
    The right held a rally with torches and chanted "The jews will not replace us". They saluted hitler. There's videos of them saying "Hitler did nothing wrong" There's pictures of them holding fascist regalia. My grandfather earned a bronze star killing nazis. I'm sure nearly all of us had father or grandfather who fought the nazis.


    Even if the left attacked first, which they probably did, I shed no tears for these idiots.

  6. #245
    Quote Originally Posted by brandon View Post
    The right held a rally with torches and chanted "The jews will not replace us". They saluted hitler. There's videos of them saying "Hitler did nothing wrong" There's pictures of them holding fascist regalia. My grandfather earned a bronze star killing nazis. I'm sure nearly all of us had father or grandfather who fought the nazis.


    Even if the left attacked first, which they probably did, I shed no tears for these idiots.
    I shed none either but the communists have a rather poor record in history as well and they are the ones who are most at fault in this incident.
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  7. #246
    Quote Originally Posted by brandon View Post
    My grandfather earned a bronze star killing nazis.
    Plenty of treasure--and more than a little American blood--went into killing bolsheviks, too.

    Only a fool has a dog on either side of that fight.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    We believe our lying eyes...

  8. #247
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    The number of good posters you must rep before you can get back to someone hasn't changed. But the number of good posters sure has, since banning people who are rude to stormfronters became a thing.
    This is a serious accusation. Any evidence?

  9. #248
    Quote Originally Posted by brandon View Post
    The right held a rally with torches and chanted "The jews will not replace us".
    This is something that confuses me. By and large, the right tends to consider Israel and the Jewish community important allies. The mainstream right has no use for the White Nationalists. But the left welcomes the bomb-throwers with open arms.



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  11. #249
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    We did.

    Nobody was interested.

    So we all went home.
    I don't think it's that no one was interested. I think it was that the MSM completely ignored, downplayed or attacked Ron Paul at every opportunity and presented a false reality to the general public. That's what they do. And then that false reality ends up becoming the reality.

    Even some libs saw that… Remember this?

    “I have no doubt that it is a part of the destiny of the human race, in its gradual improvement, to leave off eating animals, as surely as the savage tribes have left off eating each other.”

    ― Henry David Thoreau

  12. #250
    Quote Originally Posted by lilymc View Post
    I don't think it's that no one was interested. I think it was that the MSM completely ignored, downplayed or attacked Ron Paul at every opportunity and presented a false reality to the general public. That's what they do. And then that false reality ends up becoming the reality.

    Even some libs saw that… Remember this?

    hah even years later this $#@! boils my blood so bad.

  13. #251
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    This is something that confuses me. By and large, the right tends to consider Israel and the Jewish community important allies. The mainstream right has no use for the White Nationalists. But the left welcomes the bomb-throwers with open arms.
    There's no rational understanding to be had.

    Look at left wing SJWs and feminists supporting Islamic Sharia law.

    That's why I find the left wing much more dangerous than the "right".

    The "right" in this case wants to survive and flourish and they feel, rightly or wrongly, that they are being hamstrung and forced out and marginalized and becoming unwelcome strangers in their own land, all at the hands of nefarious machinations, Joos, or the TPTB. And on that last point, TPTB, they may very well be correct.

    The left, however, are truly unhinged, in that they hate themselves even more than they hate the "right".

    From abortion to infanticide to Malthusian doomsday-ism propagated by global warming nonsense, these people are a multi million strong, self loathing, suicidal death cult, tens of millions of latter day Jim Jones followers, ready, willing and eager to expand death on all fronts, because they see themselves as a virus, a cancer, a plague on Mother Earth.

    But they see you and me as even more of a threat.

    And make no mistake, if they ever come to full power, they will make damn sure to take as many of us with them as they can.

    I used to not believe that, that maybe we could "reach out" and found common cause with the left, Occupy and so on...

    I no longer think that.

  14. #252
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    There's no rational understanding to be had.

    Look at left wing SJWs and feminists supporting Islamic Sharia law.

    That's why I find the left wing much more dangerous than the "right".

    The "right" in this case wants to survive and flourish and they feel, rightly or wrongly, that they are being hamstrung and forced out and marginalized and becoming unwelcome strangers in their own land, all at the hands of nefarious machinations, Joos, or the TPTB. And on that last point, TPTB, they may very well be correct.

    The left, however, are truly unhinged, in that they hate themselves even more than they hate the "right".

    From abortion to infanticide to Malthusian doomsday-ism propagated by global warming nonsense, these people are a multi million strong, self loathing, suicidal death cult, tens of millions of latter day Jim Jones followers, ready, willing and eager to expand death on all fronts, because they see themselves as a virus, a cancer, a plague on Mother Earth.

    But they see you and me as even more of a threat.

    And make no mistake, if they ever come to full power, they will make damn sure to take as many of us with them as they can.

    I used to not believe that, that maybe we could "reach out" and found common cause with the left, Occupy and so on...

    I no longer think that.
    This is scary if true.

  15. #253
    Quote Originally Posted by brandon View Post
    hah even years later this $#@! boils my blood so bad.
    Yep, me too. I don't own a TV right now, but if I'm ever around a TV, I can't stomach those "news" channels. I wish everyone would just turn them off.
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  16. #254
    Quote Originally Posted by brandon View Post
    hah even years later this $#@! boils my blood so bad.
    The power of the media. Do they really control this much?

  17. #255
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is scary if true.
    I have no reason to think it is untrue.

    How many tens of millions dead in the abortion genocide?

    How many times has the left supported "partial birth abortions" or outright infanticide?

    And just search: "people must be culled if the planet is to survive".

    These are not raving basement dwellers saying this. For example:


    David Attenborough - Humans are plague on Earth - Telegraph

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/eart...enborough.html

    Jan 22, 2013 - He said the only way to save the planet from famine.

    Attenborough: If we do not control population, the natural world will.


    To add to the unhinged aspect of the left, like the Sharia law comment, Hitler espoused a great deal of what is now considered to be leftist positions:

    He was a vehement anti smoker.

    He was a vegetarian.

    He was a tea-totaler.

    He was pro abortion.

    He was pro gun control.

    He was pro "Great Society".

    He was pro state ownership of critical industries.

    In short, he embodied a great deal of what the left wants.

    And what the "right" supposedly hates, which is why those guys should ditch any of the Nazi memorabilia, and stick to rebel flags and Robert E. Lee, who is generally regarded by historians of both sides as, if nothing else, a consummate gentleman and patriot.

  18. #256
    Quote Originally Posted by brandon View Post
    The right held a rally with torches and chanted "The jews will not replace us". They saluted hitler. There's videos of them saying "Hitler did nothing wrong" There's pictures of them holding fascist regalia. My grandfather earned a bronze star killing nazis. I'm sure nearly all of us had father or grandfather who fought the nazis.


    Even if the left attacked first, which they probably did, I shed no tears for these idiots.
    They were saying, "you will not replace us." NOT " the jews will..."



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  20. #257
    Quote Originally Posted by brandon View Post
    The right held a rally with torches and chanted "The jews will not replace us".

    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    This is something that confuses me. By and large, the right tends to consider Israel and the Jewish community important allies.


    It's confusing because they weren't saying "Jews will not replace us." They were saying "You will not replace us."

    It's confusing because traditional media is now spreading this without showing where anyone actually said it. I've even seen stories where they claim it's in a video, but it's nowhere to be found in the video.

    I suspect this is a purposeful lie. I suspect I know why. There was certainly evidence of Nazism at the protest, but it's being embellished.

    I have little patience for spreading things without verification. If one has a case, then be straightforward. No need to make things up. I have no patience for lies. I remember all the lies spreading in the Michael Brown case. I could tell some were purposeful. The big one was about Brown's hands not being up. A simple look at the autopsy demonstrated that Brown actually had his hands up at some point. Darren Wilson lied about that. All one needed to do was read primary source documents like the actual autopsy, but very few bothered to do that.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    ...I believe that when the government is capable of doing a thing, it will.
    Quote Originally Posted by Influenza View Post
    which one of yall fuckers wrote the "ron paul" racist news letters
    Quote Originally Posted by Dforkus View Post
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  21. #258
    Once again--AF nails it. +rep and more if I could. AF, if you ran for prez, then I would vote for you.

    And, your sentiments save me a lot of typing!



    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    There's no rational understanding to be had.

    Look at left wing SJWs and feminists supporting Islamic Sharia law.

    That's why I find the left wing much more dangerous than the "right".

    The "right" in this case wants to survive and flourish and they feel, rightly or wrongly, that they are being hamstrung and forced out and marginalized and becoming unwelcome strangers in their own land, all at the hands of nefarious machinations, Joos, or the TPTB. And on that last point, TPTB, they may very well be correct.

    The left, however, are truly unhinged, in that they hate themselves even more than they hate the "right".

    From abortion to infanticide to Malthusian doomsday-ism propagated by global warming nonsense, these people are a multi million strong, self loathing, suicidal death cult, tens of millions of latter day Jim Jones followers, ready, willing and eager to expand death on all fronts, because they see themselves as a virus, a cancer, a plague on Mother Earth.

    But they see you and me as even more of a threat.

    And make no mistake, if they ever come to full power, they will make damn sure to take as many of us with them as they can.

    I used to not believe that, that maybe we could "reach out" and found common cause with the left, Occupy and so on...

    I no longer think that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I have no reason to think it is untrue.

    How many tens of millions dead in the abortion genocide?

    How many times has the left supported "partial birth abortions" or outright infanticide?

    And just search: "people must be culled if the planet is to survive".

    These are not raving basement dwellers saying this. For example:


    David Attenborough - Humans are plague on Earth - Telegraph

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/eart...enborough.html

    Jan 22, 2013 - He said the only way to save the planet from famine.

    Attenborough: If we do not control population, the natural world will.


    To add to the unhinged aspect of the left, like the Sharia law comment, Hitler espoused a great deal of what is now considered to be leftist positions:

    He was a vehement anti smoker.

    He was a vegetarian.

    He was a tea-totaler.

    He was pro abortion.

    He was pro gun control.

    He was pro "Great Society".

    He was pro state ownership of critical industries.

    In short, he embodied a great deal of what the left wants.

    And what the "right" supposedly hates, which is why those guys should ditch any of the Nazi memorabilia, and stick to rebel flags and Robert E. Lee, who is generally regarded by historians of both sides as, if nothing else, a consummate gentleman and patriot.
    Last edited by NorthCarolinaLiberty; 08-15-2017 at 01:00 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    ...I believe that when the government is capable of doing a thing, it will.
    Quote Originally Posted by Influenza View Post
    which one of yall fuckers wrote the "ron paul" racist news letters
    Quote Originally Posted by Dforkus View Post
    Zippy's posts are a great contribution.




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  22. #259
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    I'm stating clearly that there is a libertarian movement, and it's defined by ideas such as those of Mises.

    And it must, if it is going to survive at all, absolutely and unconditionally condemn these inbred bolshevik $#@!s.
    Which ones?

    SPLC already lists LvM Insitute as a "hate" site, and denounces core libertarian philosophy as racist and sexist.

    So, you're a day late and dollar short I think.

    https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-h...003/mainstream



    See, and Trump is Hitler because of Ron Paul and LvM:



    Where did Donald Trump get his racialized rhetoric? From libertarians.

    The intersection of white nationalism, the alt-right and Ron Paul

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...=.ee1eb6fab4ef

    Formally, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) may be his father’s political heir. But there’s no question that the paranoid and semi-racialist mien frequently favored by Trump originates in the fevered swamps that the elder Paul dwelled in for decades. Most people who back Trump don’t do so for racist reasons, but it’s incredible how many of the same white nationalists and conspiracy theorists to whom Ron Paul once catered are now ardent Trump supporters. It’s because Trump and Paul speak the same language.



    That whole "We must denounce them in the strongest possible terms" ship has already sailed, pal.

    To the American left and government media, anything short of a white person walking around like this all day:



    Is prima facie evidence of uncured racism and sexism and hate.

  23. #260
    Relevant post from glp.

    This is what the communists did when they came to power in my country (South Vietnam) in 1975.

    First they destroyed the statues of our national heroes.

    Then they changed the names of streets so that all the streets named for patriots were now named for traitors.

    Then they took away everybody's house and said it belongs to the government.

    If you had a car or piano or air conditioner, they took that too because they said you not allowed to be richer than other people. And the communists put those things in their own house.

    Then they put in prison everybody who told the truth about communist and most of those people, we never saw again.

    Then they changed the textbooks so the children didn't know the history of their country and they think communist is their savior.

    From 1975 to 1990 my country got poorer and poorer. And in 2000 we finally got back to same level as in 1970.

    Watch out Americans. Learn from the history. Now they come for you too.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

  24. #261

  25. #262
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    The power of the media. Do they really control this much?
    This much and much more. . .

    . . .was worse in '08.

    You would think there are no decent people in America after recent events, except those who will bow to what our overlords wants for us, shame and subordination.

    Ron's ideas were/are hugely popular. . . but history repeating, masses are being manipulated through the mouthpiece of the state and its masters, the media

  26. #263
    Quote Originally Posted by Dark_Horse_Rider View Post
    This much and much more. . .

    . . .was worse in '08.

    You would think there are no decent people in America after recent events, except those who will bow to what our overlords wants for us, shame and subordination.

    Ron's ideas were/are hugely popular. . . but history repeating, masses are being manipulated through the mouthpiece of the state and its masters, the media
    I think that in '08 the internet exploded, and the people who control the messages weren't ready for that. This time, they are. Normally news like this shooting would be all over my Facebook feed, but I had not seen a single story scroll past. So I went in and changed my feed to display current posts, and sure enough - people were trying to talk about it but their posts were being filtered into oblivion.

  27. #264
    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    They were saying, "you will not replace us." NOT " the jews will..."
    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCarolinaLiberty View Post
    It's confusing because they weren't saying "Jews will not replace us." They were saying "You will not replace us."

    It's confusing because traditional media is now spreading this without showing where anyone actually said it. I've even seen stories where they claim it's in a video, but it's nowhere to be found in the video.

    I suspect this is a purposeful lie. I suspect I know why. There was certainly evidence of Nazism at the protest, but it's being embellished.

    I have little patience for spreading things without verification. If one has a case, then be straightforward. No need to make things up. I have no patience for lies. I remember all the lies spreading in the Michael Brown case. I could tell some were purposeful. The big one was about Brown's hands not being up. A simple look at the autopsy demonstrated that Brown actually had his hands up at some point. Darren Wilson lied about that. All one needed to do was read primary source documents like the actual autopsy, but very few bothered to do that.
    No, they clearly said "Jews" as well. Check out the beginning of this video — you'll hear both variations. If you still can't hear it, I don't know what to tell you other than to get your hearing examined.

    Last edited by Antischism; 08-15-2017 at 08:21 AM.



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  29. #265
    Quote Originally Posted by Antischism View Post
    No, they clearly said "Jews" as well. Check out the beginning of this video — you'll hear both variations. If you still can't hear it, I don't know what to tell you other than to get your hearing examined.

    so you found a highly edited fancy hbo video that shows some people saying that. well I happened to watch various live feeds of it being streamed that day and didn't hear it once. find me a recorded live stream where that is being said then i'll accept that some people said it. but vice/hbo? yeah, not credible.

  30. #266
    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    so you found a highly edited fancy hbo video that shows some people saying that. well I happened to watch various live feeds of it being streamed that day and didn't hear it once. find me a recorded live stream where that is being said then i'll accept that some people said it. but vice/hbo? yeah, not credible.
    All your comment tells me is that you're unwilling to accept reality in the face of clear evidence and that you're oddly defensive of Nazis. Why would it be strange for Nazis to chant such a thing? Hating Jews is kind of their thing. Hell, even on these forums you'll find a lot of generalized anti-Jewish sentiment, so it's not like it would be out of place of these were your average faux-libertarians either.

    But sure, if I run across footage from a stream, I'll share that, too.

  31. #267
    Quote Originally Posted by Antischism View Post
    All your comment tells me is that you're unwilling to accept reality in the face of clear evidence and that you're oddly defensive of Nazis. Why would it be strange for Nazis to chant such a thing? Hating Jews is kind of their thing. Hell, even on these forums you'll find a lot of generalized anti-Jewish sentiment, so it's not like it would be out of place of these were your average faux-libertarians either.

    But sure, if I run across footage from a stream, I'll share that, too.
    All my comment tells anybody is that you are using an untrustworthy source. I saw dragons on hbo the other day, are they real?
    I on the other hand listened to the actual live streams while they were happening and didn't hear it even once. In fact, I only heard jews referred to once and it was some people saying $#@! infowars because they wont expose the jewish kabal or whatever. If I had heard them yelling "The jews will not replace us", I would definitely remember. I wont rule out that maybe vice searched around up and down and tried to find an isolated person saying it, but its also likely they tweaked the audio, that wouldn't exactly be rocket science.

  32. #268
    Quote Originally Posted by Antischism View Post
    All your comment tells me is that you're unwilling to accept reality in the face of clear evidence and that you're oddly defensive of Nazis. Why would it be strange for Nazis to chant such a thing? Hating Jews is kind of their thing. Hell, even on these forums you'll find a lot of generalized anti-Jewish sentiment, so it's not like it would be out of place of these were your average faux-libertarians either.

    But sure, if I run across footage from a stream, I'll share that, too.
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  33. #269
    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    What do you have against the number 45?
    Donald Trump is the 45th POTUS.

  34. #270
    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    What do you have against the number 45?
    AnitFA doesn't like Trump, who is the 45th POTUS.
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