Forget Immigration. It's Big Government Hispanic Voters Want

[The Gold Standard]

Guess what? It's big government that white voters want too.

[CCTelander]

This si the key. Look, it shouldn't be hard to actually turn Mexicans (and other Hispanics) into fans of smaller governments. They're already fleeing countries that have been crippled by big government socialism. You just have to help them see that. Help them see the violence done to their families and communities by the government, there and here. If you do that, you'll win converts by the number.

This times about a billion. ^^^

I'd say over and over and over again until it actually sinks in, but, since I've been suggesting exactly this to anti-immigrant conservatives since about the mid 1970s, and I've never managed to get it to sink in to any of their heads, I sincerely doubt that it ever will.

If what you're actually trying to sell is liberty, you couldn't ask for a market more tailor made for your product than immigrants. But, in my experience, there's almost no interest, especially among conservatives of various stripes, in reaching out to that market. Hell, they could have been growing the ranks of the so-called liberty movement with millions of immigrants for decades now. But make the suggestion and it's nothing but crickets. Suggest publishing liberty related literature in Spanish to make it easier for immigrants to assimilate and the most common response is something along the lines of "If they're going to come to our country, they damn well ought to learn our language!"

It seems like a great many conservatives and various other stripes of "liberty" advocates would rather let the progressives woo and win them than do the actual work of reaching out and helping to educate them. Sad and pathetic, really.

As it is, all people like LibertyEagle suggest doing is violating the basic human right of movement across unowned land, investing the government with unconstitutional powers, expand protectionism and limit the free market, destroying families, and enlarging the state's ability to carry out violence against peaceful people for victimless crimes. That isn't just unlibertarian and collectivist, it is down right fascistic. And anyone that thinks that somehow protects liberty or makes them better than the statists we all detest, is delusional.

Agreed.

[MelissaWV]

Guess what? It's big government that white voters want too.

Yep. But RPFs has become a place where it's easier to blame a gender, race, religion, or culture for the current situation.

[AuH20]

Yep. But RPFs has become a place where it's easier to blame a gender, race, religion, or culture for the current situation.

Nope. We assess blame on the dominant white majority (who voted for the two boobs described below) of the past, but by the same token we don't acquiesce to the devious social engineering scheme that's currently playing out.

[otherone]

Nomadic locusts. It's really sad how pathetic human beings are, in that they will spread their stupidity to other parts of the planet.

well said.

[Anti Federalist]

Nomadic locusts. It's really sad how pathetic human beings are, in that they will spread their stupidity to other parts of the planet.

Anybody who has been Californicated in their home state, or surrounded by Massholes, or flooded by Half Backs, knows this is the case.

I'm pretty sure the point of no return has already been passed however.

[RestorationOfLiberty]

People have natural human rights to be transients.

So what is your address?

[CCTelander]

This si the key. Look, it shouldn't be hard to actually turn Mexicans (and other Hispanics) into fans of smaller governments. They're already fleeing countries that have been crippled by big government socialism. You just have to help them see that. Help them see the violence done to their families and communities by the government, there and here. If you do that, you'll win converts by the number.

This times about a billion. ^^^

I'd say over and over and over again until it actually sinks in, but, since I've been suggesting exactly this to anti-immigrant conservatives since about the mid 1970s, and I've never managed to get it to sink in to any of their heads, I sincerely doubt that it ever will.

If what you're actually trying to sell is liberty, you couldn't ask for a market more tailor made for your product than immigrants. But, in my experience, there's almost no interest, especially among conservatives of various stripes, in reaching out to that market. Hell, they could have been growing the ranks of the so-called liberty movement with millions of immigrants for decades now. But make the suggestion and it's nothing but crickets. Suggest publishing liberty related literature in Spanish to make it easier for immigrants to assimilate and the most common response is something along the lines of "If they're going to come to our country, they damn well ought to learn our language!"

It seems like a great many conservatives and various other stripes of "liberty" advocates would rather let the progressives woo and win them than do the actual work of reaching out and helping to educate them. Sad and pathetic, really.

[RestorationOfLiberty]

Because of their cultural
Because of their IQ
Because of they are not punished for having failed views.

If you keep them out of the nation, you keep them out of economy, culture, workplaces, schools, prisons, hospital, elections, and ballot boxes.

If you keep them out of the nation you keep them out of our elections..

[RestorationOfLiberty]

And Trump said he wants to expedite the process for millions of Hispanic voters to legally come to this country. Gotta love betrayal.

And what speech did you listen to?

[RestorationOfLiberty]

This times about a billion. ^^^

I'd say over and over and over again until it actually sinks in, but, since I've been suggesting exactly this to anti-immigrant conservatives since about the mid 1970s, and I've never managed to get it to sink in to any of their heads, I sincerely doubt that it ever will.

If what you're actually trying to sell is liberty, you couldn't ask for a market more tailor made for your product than immigrants. But, in my experience, there's almost no interest, especially among conservatives of various stripes, in reaching out to that market. Hell, they could have been growing the ranks of the so-called liberty movement with millions of immigrants for decades now. But make the suggestion and it's nothing but crickets. Suggest publishing liberty related literature in Spanish to make it easier for immigrants to assimilate and the most common response is something along the lines of "If they're going to come to our country, they damn well ought to learn our language!"

It seems like a great many conservatives and various other stripes of "liberty" advocates would rather let the progressives woo and win them than do the actual work of reaching out and helping to educate them. Sad and pathetic, really.





Agreed.

We tried to reach out, they want "free stuff". this is not hard to understand that they only know and only want marxism as it rewards them with our wealth for no effort on their part.

Most of them can not read Spanish as they are illiterate. More of a reason to keep them out.

"
No one has the right to move to a free country and destroy its freedom. But this is precisely what happens when people who are unused to the political culture of individual liberty, or who disapprove of it, swing the balance of national decisions.

Many libertarians imagine that all economic and political problems will be solved if only the proper economic and political framework is established: free enterprise, limited government, clear recognition of individual rights. But the question is, How can such a framework, such a “house,” be preserved? It can’t be preserved if people must continually be convinced, by the tens of millions, that liberty is a good idea, better than the welfare state or some structure of political repression and intolerance. It can be preserved only by a culture in which the vast majority of people assume that individual liberty and responsibility are the ultimate political good. Not every culture makes these assumptions.

There is no foreign army occupying Mexico, Canada, or Saudi Arabia. The political systems, the political errors, of these countries are the result of their own political cultures, just as America’s political errors result from its own political culture. An essentially libertarian political system must be supported by essentially libertarian cultural assumptions, by a culture in which virtually no one sees a cartoon satirizing a religious figure and immediately concludes, “Somebody should be punished for this.”

Yet that is the automatic assumption of many, perhaps most, of the people in this world. In most political cultures, practically no one assumes that there is any difference between “what is right” and “what ought to be enforced by law.” In most of the remaining cultures, a majority of people assume that the welfare of individuals is the responsibility of the state. Both sets of assumptions are inimical to a free society; and while some immigrants from the cultures that harbor them come to America in order to escape from them, the majority are inspired by other reasons. The fact that they desire to possess the economic benefits of America does not mean they appreciate the social conditions that allow those benefits to exist, or that they will work to maintain them."

Stop projecting your views onto other people, some do not want freedom, do not value Liberty and will use both to destroy yours if you give them a chance,

[MelissaWV]

We tried to reach out, they want "free stuff". this is not hard to understand that they only know and only want marxism as it rewards them with our wealth for no effort on their part.

Most of them can not read Spanish as they are illiterate.

Because of their cultural

Oh and "Hispanic =/= Illegal"... but RPFs already knew that, it was just ignoring it.

[RestorationOfLiberty]

Oh and "Hispanic =/= Illegal"... but RPFs already knew that, it was just ignoring it.

So when did you start making strawmen?

No, Hispanic culture is largely the same in the way of politics, the same collectivism mindset with a large side dish of Collective salvation thanks to Catholicism

And shockingly large numbers of people South of the border are illiterate, but please change the subject, deny the facts at hand.

They do not share our values, culture, politics, and most likely never will, we have ever right to protect ourselves and keep them out.

[MelissaWV]

So when did you start making strawmen?

No, Hispanic culture is largely the same in the way of politics, the same collectivism mindset with a large side dish of Collective salvation thanks to Catholicism

And shockingly large numbers of people South of the border are illiterate, but please change the subject, deny the facts at hand.

They do not share our values, culture, politics, and most likely never will, we have ever right to protect ourselves and keep them out.

It isn't a straw man. "They" are made up of a number of cultures, some of which actually lean quite Conservative. Your mistake is twofold. First, you are talking about "people South of the Border" as being the sum total of Hispanics, and second you are discussing illegals and Hispanics interchangeably.

I quoted you because I always find it amusing when someone accuses someone else of being illiterate while having difficultly with their (presumably) native language.

So yes, while you have "ever right" to protect yourself from people coming here illegally, I can't help but notice the title indicates this thread is about "Hispanic voters." What will you do to protect yourself against Hispanics who are here legally?

[RestorationOfLiberty]

It isn't a straw man. "They" are made up of a number of cultures, some of which actually lean quite Conservative. Your mistake is twofold. First, you are talking about "people South of the Border" as being the sum total of Hispanics, and second you are discussing illegals and Hispanics interchangeably.

I quoted you because I always find it amusing when someone accuses someone else of being illiterate while having difficultly with their (presumably) native language.

So yes, while you have "ever right" to protect yourself from people coming here illegally, I can't help but notice the title indicates this thread is about "Hispanic voters." What will you do to protect yourself against Hispanics who are here legally?

Which ones lean Conservative? If they were the case why is it nothing but marxism and its bastard offspring South of the Border ?


No you just read into things that are not there, a large number of illegals are Hispanic

Those who can not make an argument, talk about grammar.


Keep them out of the nation to begin with so they can never cast a vote against us. If you keep them out of the nation, you keep them out of the ballot box.

With a fence, no more welfare, no more birthright ciztenship, and greatly limited immigration (think 1924) we will cut off the flow from Latin America, factor in deportations both government led and self induced and its a bright future.

[Zippyjuan]

It isn't a straw man. "They" are made up of a number of cultures, some of which actually lean quite Conservative. Your mistake is twofold. First, you are talking about "people South of the Border" as being the sum total of Hispanics, and second you are discussing illegals and Hispanics interchangeably.

I quoted you because I always find it amusing when someone accuses someone else of being illiterate while having difficultly with their (presumably) native language.

So yes, while you have "ever right" to protect yourself from people coming here illegally, I can't help but notice the title indicates this thread is about "Hispanic voters." What will you do to protect yourself against Hispanics who are here legally?

Hispanics are 90% Catholic. They are far more likely to be church going than whites. They support family values, and are anti- abortion.

[Danke]

Hispanics are 90% Catholic. They are far more likely to be church going than whites. They support family values, are pro-gun and anti- abortion.

That's why they vote Democratic.

[Zippyjuan]

If one is worried about how hispanics vote, consider this: http://www.pewhispanic.org/2014/10/1...erm-elections/



And they have the lowest voter turnout:

[Danke]

Never does answer the questions that are posted in response to the bull$#@!. Just post more bull$#@!.

[BamaAla]

That's why they vote Democratic.

I lol'd

[Zippyjuan]

Never does answer the questions that are posted in response to the bull$#@!. Just post more bull$#@!.

Thank you for answering the questions.

Interesting thing I found at the link.

At 40.1%, New Mexico has the highest Latino eligible voter share, followed by Texas (27.4%), California (26.9%), Arizona (20.3%) and Florida (17.1%).

Which of those states are Red and which are Blue? Is it the Hispanic voters? Only one (California) considered Blue. Florida mostly purple (could go either way).


Using figures for percent of eligible voters and voter turnout rates I calculate that about seven percent of the votes in the 2012 presidential election were by Hispanics while they had twelve percent of registered voters. White voters accounted for 73% of votes cast with 69% of registered voters.

[RestorationOfLiberty]

Thank you for answering the questions.

Interesting thing I found at the link.



Which of those states are Red and which are Blue? Is it the Hispanic voters? Only one (California) considered Blue. Florida mostly purple (could go either way).


Using figures for percent of eligible voters and voter turnout rates I calculate that about seven percent of the votes in the 2012 presidential election were by Hispanics while they had twelve percent of registered voters. White voters accounted for 73% of votes cast with 69% of registered voters.

Dont worry, that number will get very small thanks to deportation, the wall, limited immigration very soon, dont worry.

[otherone]

Dont worry, that number will get very small thanks to deportation, the wall, limited immigration very soon, dont worry.

gonna be tough deporting voters, but possible if you're really determined:

[tod evans]

Guess what? It's big government that white voters want too.

Yep. But RPFs has become a place where it's easier to blame a gender, race, religion, or culture for the current situation.

'Some' people just flat out refuse to acknowledge that government is doing what's best for government and they'll keep crying to government to do more...

At least here on RPF lots of folks get that government isn't going to fix itself..

[MelissaWV]

Most of them can not read Spanish as they are illiterate. More of a reason to keep them out.

Those who can not make an argument, talk about grammar.

Yep, still amusing.

I also did not say anything to provoke a response of "most illegals are Hispanic." It just demonstrates how off the mark you are. Are most Hispanics illegals? If not, then please answer the question of how you would revoke/restrict the votes of Hispanics who are here legally, which are included in the thread topic?

Which ones lean Conservative? If they were the case why is it nothing but marxism and its bastard offspring South of the Border ?

More of the same: is there even any benefit to point out that not all of "Them!" are from South of the Border? Or even across any border?

The race over to Big Government is not some stampede led by invaders. It's been going on for years, incited by the increasingly attractive bait the Government is setting out (at our expense). The only counter is work ethic, ingenuity, and an ability to persevere even after the Government piranha has taken a massive chunk out of your income, lest you actually climb up to the ranks of the decision makers. A lot of people are refusing to play that game anymore, which is pointless since the Government will keep on playing, depending on idiots to generalize and point fingers at one another all the while.

Thanks for doing your part on that one.

[RestorationOfLiberty]

gonna be tough deporting voters, but possible if you're really determined:

We deport immigrates so they will not later become citizens IE voters.

[RestorationOfLiberty]

Yep, still amusing.

I also did not say anything to provoke a response of "most illegals are Hispanic." It just demonstrates how off the mark you are. Are most Hispanics illegals? If not, then please answer the question of how you would revoke/restrict the votes of Hispanics who are here legally, which are included in the thread topic?



More of the same: is there even any benefit to point out that not all of "Them!" are from South of the Border? Or even across any border?

The race over to Big Government is not some stampede led by invaders. It's been going on for years, incited by the increasingly attractive bait the Government is setting out (at our expense). The only counter is work ethic, ingenuity, and an ability to persevere even after the Government piranha has taken a massive chunk out of your income, lest you actually climb up to the ranks of the decision makers. A lot of people are refusing to play that game anymore, which is pointless since the Government will keep on playing, depending on idiots to generalize and point fingers at one another all the while.

Thanks for doing your part on that one.

Once again you are creating strawmen, the data shows that their are tens of millions of illegals most from Latin America, the facts prove this.

No it is a stampede being led by the left, they know they have lost the argument so they are stacking the deck with welfare voters.

But hey, please play the "I am morally superior card" and ignore the facts at hand as the left imports more and more future voters.

[RonPaulIsGreat]

Had a big ole post, then decided it didn't matter.

Fact is we are going full left in the near future, no stopping it. Even if you think immigrants over time will become more conservative, that takes generations if past history is a guide. We don't have 40 years. We don't have 10 years. This is the most conservative the country will ever be for decades. So, enjoy what's left while it lasts. The trend is overwhelmingly in the lefts favor. They control the schools, they have millions of new leftist voters via immigration, they if Hillary wins(highly probable) will control the supreme court, they control most of the media. If Hillary wins, the flood gates will be opened, and there is 0.0% chance a conservative will be elected in 4 years. None. Don't even bother with politics, it's prepare for Venezuela style government.

The right controls NOTHING outside of some businesses, and we seem to squabble over everything, the left is very on message. I'm guessing the left's strength disgusting as it is, is it's propensity to group think. One only has to look at the lefts position in relation to BlackLivesMatter a "movement" based on a complete fiction, yet they embrace the dead criminals mothers on stage at the DNC. It would be lol funny if it didn't expose completely the lefts total disregard for facts and total submission to the popular lie of the era.


Trump by the way is far left on some issues. Universal Healthcare anyone! Yeah, that'll just absorb another 10% of the economy under government control. So, even the "conservative" candidate is a leftist on a huge issue. We drifted a lot already.

[Zippyjuan]

Dont worry, that number will get very small thanks to deportation, the wall, limited immigration very soon, dont worry.

So you are going to deport citizens? (only citizens can vote).

[Zippyjuan]

Once again you are creating strawmen, the data shows that their are tens of millions of illegals most from Latin America, the facts prove this.

No it is a stampede being led by the left, they know they have lost the argument so they are stacking the deck with welfare voters.

But hey, please play the "I am morally superior card" and ignore the facts at hand as the left imports more and more future voters.

Millions coming every year! Or not.