Trump demands anonymous source turned over to gov't for 'National Security'

[Aratus]

^^^THIS^^^

But had there been a leak of something like A-Bomb plan specs,
that triggers seriously long concurrent stretches of jail time. There
was no secure files that were leaked, only a malcontent grumbling I think.
The line is drawn in the sand. Cough up the cleaning lady and/or the
Cabinet Official! Either way! GIVE ME A NAME GOES POTUS DJT!!!

[Brian4Liberty]

If this was the Obama administration would the response be the same? Prosecute or reward the insider?

Obama or Hillary response? “Russians!”, with the media cheering them on.

As it would be settled fact that it was the Russians, there would be no need to look for a domestic leaker. Then, a few weeks or months later, a lower level staffer would be murdered (but not robbed) late at night, or would hang themselves, or might commit suicide by shooting themselves in the back of the head twice.

[phill4paul]

Obama or Hillary response? “Russians!”, with the media cheering them on.

As it would be settled fact that it was the Russians, there would be no need to look for a domestic leaker. Then, a few weeks or months later, a lower level staffer would be murdered (but not robbed) late at night, or would hang themselves, or might commit suicide by shooting themselves in the back of the head twice.

About $#@!ing right!

No reps to give.

[Swordsmyth]

About $#@!ing right!

No reps to give.

Covered.

[Swordsmyth]

What we don't imagine the anonymous author or the Times saw coming was the onslaught of criticism coming from the center and left - those who stand to benefit the most from Trump's fall from grace, or at least probably wouldn't mind it.
In an op-ed which appeared hours after the NYT piece, Jessica Roy of the Los Angeles Times writes: "No, anonymous Trump official, you're not 'part of the resistance.' You're a coward" for not going far enough to stop Trump and in fact enabling him.

If they really believe there's a need to subvert the president to protect the country, they should be getting this person out of the White House. But they're too cowardly and afraid of the possible implications. They hand-wave the notion thusly:
“Given the instability many witnessed, there were early whispers within the cabinet of invoking the 25th Amendment, which would start a complex process for removing the president. But no one wanted to precipitate a constitutional crisis."
How is it that utilizing the 25th Amendment of the Constitution would cause a crisis, but admitting to subverting a democratically elected leader wouldn't?
...
If you're reading this, senior White House official, know this: You are not resisting Donald Trump. You are enabling him for your own benefit. That doesn't make you an unsung hero. It makes you a coward. -LA Times

Meanwhile, Glenn Greenwald - the Pulitzer Prize Winning co-founder of The Intercept, also called the author of the op-ed a "coward" whose ideological issues "voters didn't ratify."
Greenwald continues; "The irony in the op-ed from the NYT's anonymous WH coward is glaring and massive: s/he accuses Trump of being "anti-democratic" while boasting of membership in an unelected cabal that covertly imposes their own ideology with zero democratic accountability, mandate or transparency."

The irony in the op-ed from the NYT's anonymous WH coward is glaring and massive: s/he accuses Trump of being "anti-democratic" while boasting of membership in an unelected cabal that covertly imposes their own ideology with zero democratic accountability, mandate or transparency
— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) September 5, 2018

More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...nelected-cabal


I saw an article similar to the LA Times piece in HuffPo.

[AuH20]

[AZJoe]

We Are Being Played

the New York Times has made the wildly controversial decision to publish an anonymous op-ed reportedly authored by “a senior official in the Trump administration.” The op-ed’s author claims to be part of a secret coalition of patriots … “working diligently from within to frustrate parts of his agenda and his worst inclinations.” These “worst inclinations” according to the author include trying to make peace with Moscow and Pyongyang, being rude to longtime US allies, saying mean things about the media, being “anti-trade”, and being “erratic”. …

The final paragraphs are spent gushing about John McCain for no apparent reason. …

read the piece in its entirety, because for all the talk and drama it’s generating, it doesn’t actually make any sense. … what could anyone possibly gain by authoring this and giving it to the New York Times? …

The op-ed says essentially nothing, other than to tell readers to relax and trust in anonymous administration insiders … Why would any senior official risk everything to publish something so utterly pointless? … just to communicate something to the public that doesn’t change or accomplish anything? Why publicly announce your undercover conspiracy to undermine the president in a major news outlet at all? …

What are the results … a bunch of Democratic partisans making a lot of excited whooping noises, and Trump loyalists feeling completely vindicated in the belief that all of their conspiracy theories have been proven correct. … Trump haters are feeling a little more relaxed and complacent knowing that there are a bunch of McCain-loving “adults in the room” taking care of everything … everyone’s been herded into their respective partisan stables and trusting the narratives that they are being fed there. …

I do not believe that they were moved to write it out of compassion for the poor Americans … it was written and published … in mainstream media: because we are all being played. …

The two-headed one party system exists to give Americans the illusion of choice while advancing the agendas of the plutocratic class … it’s a mechanism of narrative control. If you can separate the masses into two groups based on extremely broad ideological characteristics, you can then funnel streamlined “us vs them” narratives into each of the two stables, … Now you’ve got Republicans cheering for the president and Democrats cheering for the CIA, for the FBI, and now for a platoon of covert John McCains alleged to be operating on the inside … Everyone’s cheering for one aspect of the US power establishment or another. …

If you belonged to a ruling class, obviously your goal would be to ensure your subjects’ continued support for you. … the rulers are secret and the subjects don’t know they’re ruled, and power is held in place … manipulate the masses into supporting your agendas … different narratives to manipulate them. … divide them, tell them different stories, turn them against each other, play them off one another … tales you are spinning with the theater of enmity and heroism.

As a result of the New York Times op-ed, if this administration engages in yet another of its many, many establishment capitulations (let’s say by attacking the Syrian government again), Trump’s supporters won’t see it as his fault; it will be blamed on the deep state insiders … Meanwhile those who see Trump as a heel won’t experience any cognitive dissonance if any of the establishment agendas they support are carried out, because they can give the credit to the secret hero squad in the White House. …

[Zippyjuan]

Rogue journalist. Bogan socialist. Anarcho-psychonaut. Guerrilla poet. Utopia prepper.

Cool source.

[UWDude]

This is over an article allegedly written by the Q of the left... or Deep State Q...


I Am Part of the Resistance Inside the Trump Administration

I work for the president but like-minded colleagues and I have vowed to thwart parts of his agenda and his worst inclinations.


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/05/o...gtype=Homepage

They both are John Miller aka Jon Titor aka DJT.
I am 90% convinced, this was a Trump approved leak.

[Aratus]

The John Baron stuff he did!?!! Thinking of King JOHN, mediaeval barons and RUNNYMEDE?

[AZJoe]

The Anonymous Source is a Delusional Psychotic Interventionist,

LRC:Blind in the Establishment.

“The Quiet Resistance Inside the Trump Administration”, written anonymously and published by The New York Times, singles out Trump’s Russia policy for condemnation:

... “He complained for weeks about senior staff members letting him get boxed into further confrontation with Russia, and he expressed frustration that the United States continued to impose sanctions on the country” ...

Trump is right to attack American foreign policy of the past 50 years and more. It’s too bad that he isn’t more consistent at it and doesn’t articulate a return to American neutrality, but let’s take what we can get. ...

These groups, whose interests are not the vital national interests of the American people, designate Russia as an enemy because they need enemies to sustain their power and money grabs. ...

Trump is right to attack sanctions on Russia and to want not to be boxed into an anti-Russia posture.

The op-ed writer supports the establishment foreign policy posture of the empire, which is interventionist. This is the posture that brought us wars in places of no vital interest ... This posture supports ... and further wars. It supports alliances that can bring on more wars. ...

So strongly raised in the interventionist faith, the writer is unable to see the pervasive failures of U.S. foreign policy, decade after decade. He ... could not be more wrong and dangerous. The writer seeks Trump’s removal ... he sees as the source of Trump’s wrong attitude toward Russia and Putin. ... The writer has establishment blinders on. He literally cannot see the failures of U.S. interventionism when they are evident to millions and millions of Americans.

According to the op-ed writer, we are supposed to accept the hi-jacking of American neutrality by a foreign policy/national security/military/industrial establishment that has failed us time and again while enriching itself. He asks us to join him in his peculiar madness and incapacity to face the reality of the utter failure of interventionism, unilateralism and phony national security arguments as foreign policy principles.

[AZJoe]

[pcosmar]

He should Sue the New York Times for slander.. on the grounds that they fabricated the Op-Ed.

he has the Lawyers and clout to make it painful enough .

[Ender]

They both are John Miller aka Jon Titor aka DJT.
I am 90% convinced, this was a Trump approved leak.

Pretty much said the same thing in post 16.

[UWDude]

Pretty much said the same thing in post 16.

Difference is, you think it is a sinister plan.
I think it is hilarious.
Even more hilarious if it is a sinister plan.

[Ender]

Difference is, you think it is a sinister plan.
I think it is hilarious.
Even more hilarious if it is a sinister plan.

Art of the Deal?

[TheCount]

He should Sue the New York Times for slander.. on the grounds that they fabricated the Op-Ed.

he has the Lawyers and clout to make it painful enough .

The NYT could crowd fund their legal bills rather easily.

[Brian4Liberty]

There’s no need for a conspiracy hypothesis when the answer is so obvious. This was meant to push the “Trump is unfit” narrative with the goal of removing him.

The real conspiracy can be taken at face value. Never-Trumpers (in the media and Administration) are trying to remove Trump.

[Anti-Neocon]

There’s no need for a conspiracy hypothesis when the answer is so obvious. This was meant to push the “Trump is unfit” narrative with the goal of removing him.

I believe there's a bit of a myth or at least exaggeration that is perpetuated by both Trump himself (with all his "witch hunt" and related crap) and his fans. While yes a lot of people want to see him go, it's mainly because they see him as unfit, not the other way around where they are trying to sell him as unfit because he's fighting the neocon swamp deep state agenda (in fact he's voluntarily surrounded himself with swampy neocons). And maybe just maybe they see him as unfit because... he's unfit. That's really the obvious answer.

[UWDude]

That's really the obvious answer.

I gotta admit, the hell hole America has fallen into since Trump took office, is staggering.
The massive jobs growth, peace in korea... I mean, how many other nightmares must I proffer to these Trumptards that just don't get it?
Not to mention the gay concentration camps he opened, (ooh, ooh, I'm so libertarian I think gay camps are cool because Im actually a fascist), the fact that women aren't even allowed to vote anymore, Not to forget he banned all six muslim nations from even travelling to America.

He ran for president of the United States, without ever having run for office.... ...and won.
You would never even reach state senator.

So lets get to the point shall we?
Regardless of the morals of some people. Their fitness or intelligence sometimes actually is greater than yours, and their abilities are greater than yours. I mean you, personally.

So when you actually try to argue, Donald J Trump is an idiot, What I see is somebody who doesn't actually believe what he is saying, and yet is desperately trying to manipulate others, because "its good for their freedom".


So I am calling you a liar, both in statement that Trump is unfit, and in your actual belief of said statement.
You know damn well he is 1,000 times more fit than you would ever be.
And if you actually think you could do better... try proving it. Have you even started filing for the 2020 race, Mr. President?

I hear you now, "No, I really think he is unfit!"

So run for $#@!ing president, and show him how it is done.

[thoughtomator]

The alleged insider editorial is almost certainly a fraud, which is the subtext to the theater.

If it's true, it's a confession of a seditious conspiracy against the United States. We are, I should note, at war - so this would rise to the level of treason by the strict definition set forth in the Constitution.

Which is kind of a big problem, credibility-wise. If such an insider plot existed - "insider" as in actually part of the Trump team rather than another grudge-bearing Obama holdover, which is what the impact of the piece depends on being true - then revealing it in this manner would only foil the plot and limit the ability of the author to do what he (or as I suspect, she) says he is doing.

Basically, if it's true, it's beyond critical levels of stupid to actually say so, never mind get it full-spread NYT coverage.

So the only reasonable conclusion here is that it is a hoax being perpetrated by the New York Times.

It is here that I must note the recent hire to that very same editorial board of one Sarah Jeong, who is the only nameable person who can seriously be considered, on the evidence available, to be the actual author of the piece.

[CaptUSA]

I gotta admit, the hell hole America has fallen into since Trump took office, is staggering.
The massive jobs growth, peace in korea... I mean, how many other nightmares must I proffer to these Trumptards that just don't get it?
Not to mention the gay concentration camps he opened, (ooh, ooh, I'm so libertarian I think gay camps are cool because Im actually a fascist), the fact that women aren't even allowed to vote anymore, Not to forget he banned all six muslim nations from even travelling to America.

He ran for president of the United States, without ever having run for office.... ...and won.
You would never even reach state senator.

So lets get to the point shall we?
Regardless of the morals of some people. Their fitness or intelligence sometimes actually is greater than yours, and their abilities are greater than yours. I mean you, personally.

So when you actually try to argue, Donald J Trump is an idiot, What I see is somebody who doesn't actually believe what he is saying, and yet is desperately trying to manipulate others, because "its good for their freedom".


So I am calling you a liar, both in statement that Trump is unfit, and in your actual belief of said statement.
You know damn well he is 1,000 times more fit than you would ever be.
And if you actually think you could do better... try proving it. Have you even started filing for the 2020 race, Mr. President?

I hear you now, "No, I really think he is unfit!"

So run for $#@!ing president, and show him how it is done.

[UWDude]

See what happens, when powerless internet trolls preach about power, and how it is done?
Put up or shut up, guys!

Are you guys more competant than Trump?

Than please, tell me about how you would stabilize the situation in North Korea.
Name all diplomats, heads of state, treasury, trade, etc.... Chinese, Russian, Japanese, and of course, South Koreans.

Next:
Explain the political alliances you make and break, over that time, that helps evade the intelligence community, which IS the lie of Kim Jung Un. You know, the one where he is this really evil, horrible person. Bodo League Massacre. Learn History. No, it was not the Kims who were the incredibly evil ones running the planet.
tell me all the trade reps, union reps, political groups, including religious, economic, social, cultural, militant, extremist, intelligence agency, bureaucratic institutional, militaries, and the various Rotary Clubs.

Next explain how your charmless asses would deal with various mega-powerful heads of state. LOL!!!

It was those three blue and white flags. Israel, NATO, UN. Non-states that materialized immediately after WW II. Worse than actual current nation states, for they, through law alone, existed. Law and 1948, of course.

So I'm sorry all your politicians screwed you over. I know, you'll never trust any of them, ever again. I understand. Hell, I thought I was done with rand when he first voted for Iranian sanctions.

If the world's gonna end, I'm gonna feel like $#@!. Both because how wrong I was about Trump, and more importantly, because of the radioactive waste I am breathing in at the time.

The actual improbability of it all... Dennis Rodman, the whole thing.... ..something bigger is at play here.

It is definitely beyond you and me.

But Trump is handling the actual running of the country significantly better than we were warned about from all the yelping monkeys.
As a matter of fact, he is doing as well as he promised. Better than ever. Best ever, I still don't even believe it.

And it is indeed, because of his "fascistic" border policies.
Before the bill of rights, was the actual constitution.
It was written by bourgeoisie, white, rich nationalists.
But they are called founding fathers for a reason:
Because they cared more about their children than the rest of the world's children.

I lived my whole life believing only 3 politicians ever truly loved America:
Ross Perot, Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich... (and Rand of course).
I haven't ever even looked into Massie or Amash. They might be really cool too.

I have no question in my mind, everything Donald Trump does, he does because he genuinely loves the country. He lived the American dream, from cradle to grave, and unlike most, he saw a horribly deprecated America, and risked everything to save it.
Trump will be sang on people's lips for centuries after you die.
And the number of tears at his funeral will be literally, infinitely greater than yours ever will have.

But if you ran the country, at least you would do so in line with your... whatever-ist beliefs you claim to have.

Like you even have a semblance of an iota of an understanding how to run the United States of America, the world dominating power of 2018.

Your arrogance is laughable.

[r3volution 3.0]

I demand that Trump bend over and kiss his own ass, and thusly not provide us with any further "services."

[CCTelander]

[TheCount]

The massive jobs growth

Unchanged from before:

peace in korea

Unchanged from before.


Did you run out of accomplishments at two, and both of them are imaginary?


What about our withdrawal from the wars in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Niger, and Somalia? Oh, right.




Non-interventionism? Oh, right.




Government spending? Oh, right.




The... trade deficit? Oh, right.


The... wall? Oh, right.



The... best people? Oh, right.





Uh....

Inb4 BUT HILLARY, WWIII, tax cut

[UWDude]

Oh look, somebody nobody cares about posted something on Ron Paul Forums.

Changing the world already, I see.

Doing way more than Trump has.

[TheCount]

Oh look, somebody nobody cares about posted something on Ron Paul Forums.

Changing the world already, I see.

Doing way more than Trump has.

Precisely.

[UWDude]

Did you run out of accomplishments at two, and both of them are imaginary?

I gave you a large list of his accomplishments already.

[Swordsmyth]

President Trump on Friday said that he wants Attorney General Jeff Sessions to investigate who wrote an anonymous Op-Ed in the New York Times critical of his administration, as a matter of national security.

Speaking to reporters on board Air Force One, the President also mentioned possibility of legal action against the Times, which published the Op-Ed claiming to be from "part of the resistance inside the Trump administration."
During a Thursday night campaign rally event in Billings, Trump called on the Times to publish the name of the author "at once."

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: The so-called resistance is angry because their horrible ideas have been rejected by the American people, and it's driving them crazy. Crazy. They're the ones, honestly, that have been driven crazy.
The latest act of resistance is the op-ed published in the failing New York Times by an anonymous -- really an anonymous, gutless coward. You just look. He was -- nobody knows who the hell he is, or she, although they put he, but probably that's a little disguise. That means it's she.
But for the sake of our national security, the New York Times should publish his name at once. I think their reporters should go and investigate who it is. That would actually be a good scoop.
(APPLAUSE)
That would be a good scoop. Unelected deep state operatives who defy the voters to push their own secret agendas are truly a threat to democracy itself. And I was so heartened when I looked

Trump added: "I think it's backfired. Seriously. People that don't exactly dig us and they don't exactly like me, they're fighting for us. It's an incredible -- it's actually a beautiful thing. We picked up a lot of support, because at some point this whole thing is going to be exposed. And it's really bad, and it's really dangerous, and it's really sad for the media and the mainstream media. It really is sad."

More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...-op-ed-looking