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  1. #301
    Quote Originally Posted by susano View Post
    The curriculum vitae of Trump University Judge Gonzalo Curiel specifically mentions his affiliation with the Hispanic National Bar Association, or HNBA.



    The Hispanic National Bar Association published a press release on July 2nd 2015 which specifically stated their intention to target the “business interests” of Donald Trump

    There it is.
    For an October 2014 ruling?
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  3. #302
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Yep, people think Trump is just some big dumb bully, he may be acting like that but these people aren't smart enough to see what his strategy is.. He's actually a very smart guy, even if he speaks in 5th grade language he knows exactly what he is doing. He isn't just doing well because he is getting lucky.. He has been doing this time and time again and has been very successful. It's just too bad he has that authoritarian bent.
    Yep. It's a pattern.

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    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

  4. #303
    Quote Originally Posted by fcreature View Post
    You sound just like Trump. The doublespeak is strong.

    You say Curiel is a member of La Raza. Despite your implications, you then say that you aren't talking about that La Raza. Then you immediately say they probably are related.

    If you think these groups are related in anything other than their name, please provide proof. Otherwise, stop propagating baseless lies.
    He didn't use doublespeak and he can be forgiven for mild confusion due to the fact that the media is lying and saying La Raza is not La Raza. It is and the WND article posted gave good background.

    The question I have is why you others are trying to perpetuate this lie? Is it because you hate Trump? I can understand if you hate Trump but you cannot be forgiven for pushing leftist lies in your effort to discredit him. I've seen a lot of this with Trump. Ted Cruz blaming Trump for the actions of communists, in Chicago, comes to mind. He jumped right on board with the leftist talking points out of his hate for Trump and looked like a fool for it.

  5. #304
    Quote Originally Posted by moostraks View Post
    For an October 2014 ruling?
    What are you talking about? You keep mentioning this. Trump is talking about what is happening now.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cowlesy View Post
    Americans in general are jedi masters of blaming every other person.



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  7. #305
    Quote Originally Posted by silverhandorder View Post
    What are you talking about? You keep mentioning this. Trump is talking about what is happening now.
    No, he's not. His complaints go back to October 2014.
    We will be known forever by the tracks we leave. - Dakota


    Go Forward With Courage

    When you are in doubt, be still, and wait;
    when doubt no longer exists for you, then go forward with courage.
    So long as mists envelop you, be still;
    be still until the sunlight pours through and dispels the mists
    -- as it surely will.
    Then act with courage.

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  8. #306
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Reading is your friend.

    AGAIN:

    Hmm. Nope. Still irrelevant. Maybe try all caps or bold next time and see how that works.

  9. #307
    Quote Originally Posted by moostraks View Post
    No, he's not. His complaints go back to October 2014.
    OK invent more why don't you.

  10. #308
    Quote Originally Posted by susano View Post
    He didn't use doublespeak and he can be forgiven for mild confusion due to the fact that the media is lying and saying La Raza is not La Raza. It is and the WND article posted gave good background.

    The question I have is why you others are trying to perpetuate this lie? Is it because you hate Trump? I can understand if you hate Trump but you cannot be forgiven for pushing leftist lies in your effort to discredit him. I've seen a lot of this with Trump. Ted Cruz blaming Trump for the actions of communists, in Chicago, comes to mind. He jumped right on board with the leftist talking points out of his hate for Trump and looked like a fool for it.
    WND still thinks Obama is from Kenya.

  11. #309
    Quote Originally Posted by silverhandorder View Post
    OK invent more why don't you.
    In a setback to Trump, a judge certified the California case as a class action. This is difficult to get because the plaintiff has to show that members of the class were injured in the same way and that the person bringing the case is an accurate representative of the others involved in the case, according to Cornell Law School Professor Robert C. Hockett . Most lawsuits like this one are settled out of court.

    ...In an interview, Alan Garten, the Trump Organization's executive vice president and general counsel, said that Donald Trump is being unfairly targeted. Garten also claimed that the vast majority of Trump University students are pleased with their experience.

    "We plan to appeal," Garten said of the decision to certify Cohen's suit as a class-action, adding that he expects to prevail since the ruling showed a "manifest disregard for the law." Trump also will ask the judge in the case, Gonzalo P. Curiel, to recuse himself because of what Garten called "animosity toward Mr. Trump and his views."
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/lawsuit-...ving-students/

    Article date October 31, 2014.
    We will be known forever by the tracks we leave. - Dakota


    Go Forward With Courage

    When you are in doubt, be still, and wait;
    when doubt no longer exists for you, then go forward with courage.
    So long as mists envelop you, be still;
    be still until the sunlight pours through and dispels the mists
    -- as it surely will.
    Then act with courage.

    Ponca Chief White Eagle

  12. #310
    Quote Originally Posted by moostraks View Post
    Have you been able to clarify what Garten meant by saying the Judge had "animosity toward Mr. Trump and his views."?

    It sounds like they believe it has been an ongoing problem. Right now the best explanation for the political motivations would be what Trump is saying now. The best explanation in 2014 is a question mark, good question for Garten or Trump.
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  13. #311
    I would attack the Judge too. He's an advocate for illegal immigration. Belongs to an organization that's launched a nationwide boycott of Trump Enterprises. Member of the La Raza Lawyers association of San Diego which has big ties to National Council of La Raza a group the late Cesar Chavez called very anti Gringo. In other words hated white people!!

  14. #312
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Well, as that appears to be a quote from Trump, that makes him accurate on the first count (which is objective fact), and terribly wrong on the second. It is not "an inherent conflict of interest". Potential maybe, given the circumstances, but not inherent. Trump is being collectivist.
    Nope. He said he's Mexican (heritage) with an inherent conflict of interest and that conflict is his La Raza affiliation, which Trump pointed out. Unfortunately, for Trump, as usual, he doesn't keep reiterating that important information and reverts to "He's Mexican, I'm building a wall", lazily boiling it down and making the deliberate misrepresentations of why he objects to the judge possible. This is a serious weak point for Trump, just like his fallback of "crooked Hillary" and failing to elaborate on WHY she's crooked.



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  16. #313
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Have you been able to clarify what Garten meant by saying the Judge had "animosity toward Mr. Trump and his views."?

    It sounds like they believe it has been an ongoing problem. Right now the best explanation for the political motivations would be what Trump is saying now. The best explanation in 2014 is a question mark, good question for Garten or Trump.
    An ongoing problem? Yeah, they have offered an excuse but despite numerous opportunities they have given no substance as to how this could have been an issue from the beginning.

    Is it not interesting that the issue Trump choose to run on, that caught people off guard with its vitriol, is the very issue which he attacks this judge on? And that he has, as yet, not explained nor filed suit for the presumed bias when o see only evidence (October 2014) is failure to rule in Trump's favor?
    We will be known forever by the tracks we leave. - Dakota


    Go Forward With Courage

    When you are in doubt, be still, and wait;
    when doubt no longer exists for you, then go forward with courage.
    So long as mists envelop you, be still;
    be still until the sunlight pours through and dispels the mists
    -- as it surely will.
    Then act with courage.

    Ponca Chief White Eagle

  17. #314
    Quote Originally Posted by Valli6 View Post
    Isn't Ceaser Chavez a hero to Mexican-Americans and socialists?

    In an old interview, he stated that when someone says "la raza" it's racist and "anti-gringo". He wasn't talking about a specific organization. He was referring to the concept behind the term. Wouldn't he know?

    Excerpts from a 1969 story in The New Yorker entitled Profile: Cesar Chavez (by Peter Matthiessen):


    Chavez died in 1993.
    Great find. Chavez also opposed illegal immigration, for the same reasons most Americans do - they drive down wages, which Chavez was trying to increase with the United Farm Workers:

    http://www.latintimes.com/cesar-chav...osition-162528

  18. #315
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    The problem is that the premise he is making is that if the glove don't fit you can't aquit. He is trying to make the argument that if the judge is racist then Trump university is not a scam. Which is categorically false.
    No, that's you making that assertion. A judge makes hundreds of rulings as a case drags on and the assertion is that the judge has a bias and has made/will make unfair rulings because of Trump's politics.

  19. #316
    Quote Originally Posted by susano View Post
    No, that's you making that assertion. A judge makes hundreds of rulings as a case drags on and the assertion is that the judge has a bias and has made/will make unfair rulings because of Trump's politics.
    The cases started in 2010; Trump's politics were completely different then.
    There is no spoon.

  20. #317
    Quote Originally Posted by Peace&Freedom View Post
    Excellent summation of the main point. Trump has once again reinforced the divide between him and the establishment pols and pundits, by making a "sauce for the goose" comment that exposes their incoherency on race, and selective bullying as to what can or can't be discussed. If the PC set can suggest there are positive aspects to having latino judges, Trump can suggest there can be negative aspects, including judicial bias. If Hillary wants Bill Clinton campaigning for her because of his positive skills, then it's fair game to talk about his many negatives. Etc., etc.

    Throughout, Trump is advocating other Republicans (or his own staff) not so much to get behind his roughly stated positions, as to get a spine. One reason the GOP has been losing elections, is they run from every cultural issue. The Donald's answer is, GET OFF YOUR KNEES, bowing and cowing to the MSM and elite's presumptions about what one is "not supposed to say." Who put them in charge of American speech, anyway? Trump is making the point of challenging the MSM's self-declared exclusive right to frame every issue or comment their way, by reframing it along his lines and saying in effect, "how do you like them apples?"
    Haha, great post. That's exactly right and it's why the cultural Marxists and all of those kissing their asses are so beside themselves. If they lose control over who is allowed to say what, they loose control of the 'narrative' which is the basis of the mind control. I've always thought Trump's greatest moment was, during the first debate, when he slammed political correctness (which is mind control). The crowd went crazy because they are fed up with it, too.

  21. #318
    Quote Originally Posted by sgt150 View Post
    I hope Trump attacks more judges. Why should this behavior trouble any libertarians? Are we supposed to lick the boots of judges now because Trump=bad?
    ^^This

    It's like reading at the Democratic Underground.

  22. #319
    Quote Originally Posted by susano View Post
    Haha, great post. That's exactly right and it's why the cultural Marxists and all of those kissing their asses are so beside themselves. If they lose control over who is allowed to say what, they loose control of the 'narrative' which is the basis of the mind control. I've always thought Trump's greatest moment was, during the first debate, when he slammed political correctness (which is mind control). The crowd went crazy because they are fed up with it, too.
    Do you believe "diversity" is a code word for white genocide?
    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

  23. #320
    Quote Originally Posted by moostraks View Post
    An ongoing problem? Yeah, they have offered an excuse but despite numerous opportunities they have given no substance as to how this could have been an issue from the beginning.

    Is it not interesting that the issue Trump choose to run on, that caught people off guard with its vitriol, is the very issue which he attacks this judge on? And that he has, as yet, not explained nor filed suit for the presumed bias when o see only evidence (October 2014) is failure to rule in Trump's favor?
    It's entirely possible for Trump and his lawyers to have suspected a bias against Trump, from the beginning, and then further gaining more information about the judge leading to more concerns about bias. That said...

    You just said that calling out illegal immigration is "vitriol".

    lol

    Are you a no borders libertarian? An internationalist? A Utopian? A Marxist?

    : popcorn :



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  25. #321
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    WND still thinks Obama is from Kenya.

    So what? I still think his personal history - what little has been presented - is a pack of lies.

  26. #322
    WND is where you go when you want your biases confirmed and are afraid to confront reality.

  27. #323
    WND is more popular and more groundbreaking than Jake Tapper, and a various combinations of other news aggregation.

    One of the few websites to point out Walter Jones was the conservative & populist choice of voters.

    Taylor Griffin was using NeverTrump tactics & material to call him a liberal.
    BOWLING GREEN, Kentucky – Washington liberals are trying to push through the so-called DREAM Act, which creates an official path to Democrat voter registration for 2 million college-age illegal immigrants.
    Rand Paul 2010

    Booker T. Washington:
    Cast it down among the eight millions of Negroes whose habits you know, whose
    fidelity and love you have tested in days when to have proved treacherous meant the ruin of your firesides.

  28. #324
    Quote Originally Posted by RandallFan View Post
    WND is more popular and more groundbreaking than Jake Tapper, and a various combinations of other news aggregation.
    Popular with who? Racists and bigots like John Rocker? Sure, I'll give you that.

  29. #325
    WND said Walter Jones is a good guy. CNN said nothing.

    WND talks $#@! to Bush & Dick Cheney just like Trump & Walter.
    BOWLING GREEN, Kentucky – Washington liberals are trying to push through the so-called DREAM Act, which creates an official path to Democrat voter registration for 2 million college-age illegal immigrants.
    Rand Paul 2010

    Booker T. Washington:
    Cast it down among the eight millions of Negroes whose habits you know, whose
    fidelity and love you have tested in days when to have proved treacherous meant the ruin of your firesides.

  30. #326
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    The cases started in 2010; Trump's politics were completely different then.
    I agree that he's been all over the map on some things but he's been pretty consistent on his core issues like foreign policy and bad trade deals:


  31. #327
    Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post
    Do you believe "diversity" is a code word for white genocide?
    Depends on where it is and who is pushing it and a genocide agenda can be applied to people of any race or culture. There's a lot of natural diversity in some places and in others it's pure social engineering. In the case of a place like Sweden, it is most certainly deliberate destruction of the white gentile population and culture. Do you have a problem with acknowledging that fact?

  32. #328
    Quote Originally Posted by Antischism View Post
    WND is where you go when you want your biases confirmed and are afraid to confront reality.
    I only read there when someone posts an article in a thread. Like any place, some of their stuff is very good and some not so much (personal opinion).

    Do tell what 'reality' you are privy to that others are not.



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  34. #329
    Quote Originally Posted by Antischism View Post
    Popular with who? Racists and bigots like John Rocker? Sure, I'll give you that.
    I don't know who John Rocker is but why do you assert that WND is popular with racists and bigots?

  35. #330
    Quote Originally Posted by susano View Post
    It's entirely possible for Trump and his lawyers to have suspected a bias against Trump, from the beginning, and then further gaining more information about the judge leading to more concerns about bias. That said...

    You just said that calling out illegal immigration is "vitriol".

    lol

    Are you a no borders libertarian? An internationalist? A Utopian? A Marxist?

    : popcorn :
    Proof? Oh, yeah modern era requires one just toss words at another individual and demand the accused prove the non-existence to the satisfaction of the accuser who harbored an ax to grind. October 2014, he never filed against the judge and still has no proof prior to his wall issue.

    Perhaps it is that I don't cotton to your flavor of dictator in chief and until y'all decide to let me and mine out of that social contract (no, I don't owe you money for the privilege and I won't move to Somalia) that demands your decisions have any authority within my household, I'll keep on pointing out your wanna be emperor's short comings.
    We will be known forever by the tracks we leave. - Dakota


    Go Forward With Courage

    When you are in doubt, be still, and wait;
    when doubt no longer exists for you, then go forward with courage.
    So long as mists envelop you, be still;
    be still until the sunlight pours through and dispels the mists
    -- as it surely will.
    Then act with courage.

    Ponca Chief White Eagle

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