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    We all here want term limits and career politicians will never vote for them

    What we can do is make career politicians unmarketable. We do that by electing nonpoliticians to office. This revolutionary moment happened on November 9. You might not agree with Donald Trump on a lot of issues and I don't when it comes to foreign policy(although he kept some domestic promises through executive order) but someone had to get the ball rolling to inspire others to follow his path. The election was far bigger than Donald Trump. Voting third party is doing same thing and expecting different results is insanity. Voting for nonpoliticians is the best medicine for term limits and to get a free America.



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    Quote Originally Posted by dude58677 View Post
    What we can do is make career politicians unmarketable. We do that by electing nonpoliticians to office. This revolutionary moment happened on November 9. You might not agree with Donald Trump on a lot of issues and I don't when it comes to foreign policy(although he kept some domestic promises through executive order) but someone had to get the ball rolling to inspire others to follow his path. The election was far bigger than Donald Trump. Voting third party is doing same thing and expecting different results is insanity. Voting for nonpoliticians is the best medicine for term limits and to get a free America.
    Nov. 9th? A fair number of such were elected in the tea party wave. eg: Randal Paul and rpfs own Thomas Massie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    Nov. 9th? A fair number of such were elected in the tea party wave. eg: Randal Paul and rpfs own Thomas Massie.
    Yes, but there are too many who only see the Congress as a stepping stone. When it is done at the White House then things change because there is no point making a career out of politics when the people who get elected are nonpoliticians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dude58677 View Post
    What we can do is make career politicians unmarketable. We do that by electing nonpoliticians to office. This revolutionary moment happened on November 9. You might not agree with Donald Trump on a lot of issues and I don't when it comes to foreign policy(although he kept some domestic promises through executive order) but someone had to get the ball rolling to inspire others to follow his path. The election was far bigger than Donald Trump. Voting third party is doing same thing and expecting different results is insanity. Voting for nonpoliticians is the best medicine for term limits and to get a free America.
    So you would prefer guys like Ron and Rand Paul to not stick around as long as they have (term limits gets rid of good people as well as bad).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    So you would prefer guys like Ron and Rand Paul to not stick around as long as they have (term limits gets rid of good people as well as bad).

    Yes. Net plus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    So you would prefer guys like Ron and Rand Paul to not stick around as long as they have (term limits gets rid of good people as well as bad).
    Ron and Rand are the rarest of career politicians. Nonpoliticians are there for a cause and not a career. We just vote for the ones with the best cause. They are more likely to carry it out and go back to their old life unlike a career politician who is trying to get reelected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dude58677 View Post
    Ron and Rand are the rarest of career politicians. Nonpoliticians are there for a cause and not a career. We just vote for the ones with the best cause. They are more likely to carry it out and go back to their old life unlike a career politician who is trying to get reelected.
    On the other hand, they won't have to worry about pleasing voters and simply try to enrich themselves and their friends during their time in office. And since the elected politicians aren't around long, the real power of government will fall to the career non- elected government workers and the lobbyists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    On the other hand, they won't have to worry about pleasing voters and simply try to enrich themselves and their friends during their time in office. And since the elected politicians aren't around long, the real power of government will fall to the career non- elected government workers and the lobbyists.
    No because politics is not their main passion. In fact they are there because they don't like the way things are going and want to change things. If someone is an athlete, plumber, businessman, musician, etc why would they try to be corrupt? What is the point?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    So you would prefer guys like Ron and Rand Paul to not stick around as long as they have (term limits gets rid of good people as well as bad).
    Seeing as Ron and Randal both support term limits; I'd have to side with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dude58677 View Post
    No because politics is not their main passion. In fact they are there because they don't like the way things are going and want to change things. If someone is an athlete, plumber, businessman, musician, etc why would they try to be corrupt? What is the point?
    It is a rare politician who enters politics because they want to benefit others. Those guys don't last long. They primarily want to benefit themselves and feed their egos. They want adoration and wealth and power.

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    What if I told you america will not be free ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    Seeing as Ron and Randal both support term limits; I'd have to side with them.
    Are they willing to set a good example and limit their own terms so somebody else can have a chance?

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    A person isn't any more likely to pursue good policy just because he's a "non-politician." The whole "I'm not a politician, I'm one of you" is itself a slogan invented by politicians. Just focus on the policies the candidates support (and, more importantly, supported before they started campaigning), regardless of whether the person is a plumber or an 8th term Senator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dude58677 View Post
    What we can do is make career politicians unmarketable. We do that by electing nonpoliticians to office. This revolutionary moment happened on November 9. You might not agree with Donald Trump on a lot of issues and I don't when it comes to foreign policy(although he kept some domestic promises through executive order) but someone had to get the ball rolling to inspire others to follow his path. The election was far bigger than Donald Trump. Voting third party is doing same thing and expecting different results is insanity. Voting for nonpoliticians is the best medicine for term limits and to get a free America.
    Reputation beyond repute.....green blocks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    So you would prefer guys like Ron and Rand Paul to not stick around as long as they have (term limits gets rid of good people as well as bad).
    Reputation off the scale....red blocks.


    Lol. This forums kills me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    A person isn't any more likely to pursue good policy just because he's a "non-politician." The whole "I'm not a politician, I'm one of you" is itself a slogan invented by politicians. Just focus on the policies the candidates support (and, more importantly, supported before they started campaigning), regardless of whether the person is a plumber or an 8th term Senator.
    The career politicians didn't expect that their slogan would actually occur in real life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dude58677 View Post
    The career politicians didn't expect that their slogan would actually occur in real life.



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    Term limits are a bad idea, this is one of the few things I will ever agree with Zippy on, the elite have an inexhaustible supply of rent-a-suits to run, if we force out the few good men we find we will always be buying pigs in pokes with no record.
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    You expected Hillary to win and you were really SMUG about it.
    Last edited by dude58677; 09-18-2017 at 07:04 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dude58677 View Post
    You expected Hillary to win and you were really SMUG about it.
    That's true.

    ...not sure what that has to do with anything.

    The point is that it's hysterical that anyone still buys Trump's "I'm not a politician, I'm different...blah blah" line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dude58677 View Post
    You expected Hillary to win and you were really SMUG about it.
    Just because people don't understand the election doesn't mean people want someone who is not a politician. Trump won because he was perceived to be anti establishment and anti war because of the MSM and Internet fake news. Only philosophy and ideas can bring about a positive change to the mess in which we find ourselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    That's true.

    ...not sure what that has to do with anything.

    The point is that it's hysterical that anyone still buys Trump's "I'm not a politician, I'm different...blah blah" line.
    When you have celebrities talking about running for President because of Donald Trump as well as a 16 year old for governor then yes things have changed. You might make an argument that Donald Trump isn't an outsider but people perceive it that way and people will run as outsiders at all levels of government and voters will vote them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dude58677 View Post
    When you have celebrities talking about running for President because of Donald Trump as well as a 16 year old for governor then yes things have changed. You might make an argument that Donald Trump isn't an outsider but people perceive it that way and people will run as outsiders at all levels of government and voters will vote them.
    Yes! This is going to work out perfectly!!!




    (in other words, non-politicians can be just as stupid and self-interested as regular politicians. They just have dumbass cheerleaders.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by dude58677 View Post
    When you have celebrities talking about running for President because of Donald Trump as well as a 16 year old for governor then yes things have changed. You might make an argument that Donald Trump isn't an outsider but people perceive it that way and people will run as outsiders at all levels of government and voters will vote them.
    The only difference was in 2016 they let a "outsider" in the debates. While constantly trying to kick Rand Paul out. Otherwise celebrities can talk about running all the time, but any real outsider they will try to kick out of the debates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Yes! This is going to work out perfectly!!!




    (in other words, non-politicians can be just as stupid and self-interested as regular politicians. They just have dumbass cheerleaders.)
    So why don't you run for public office?



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    Quote Originally Posted by dude58677 View Post
    When you have celebrities talking about running for President because of Donald Trump as well as a 16 year old for governor then yes things have changed.
    A change, yes - even dumber political discourse - but no change in policy.

    You might make an argument that Donald Trump isn't an outsider but people perceive it that way and people will run as outsiders at all levels of government and voters will vote them.
    ...except there's no reason to suppose people will be more likely to vote for libertarian outsiders (contra, say, Kanye West).

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    The only difference was in 2016 they let a "outsider" in the debates. While constantly trying to kick Rand Paul out. Otherwise celebrities can talk about running all the time, but any real outsider they will try to kick out of the debates.
    What if most of the candidates are outsiders next election? Plus the media and polls lost credibility the last election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    A change, yes - even dumber political discourse - but no change in policy.



    ...except there's no reason to suppose people will be more likely to vote for libertarian outsiders (contra, say, Kanye West).
    So why not Vince Vaughn, John Stossel, etc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dude58677 View Post
    So why not Vince Vaughn, John Stossel, etc?
    For every Vince you have 10 Kanyes, who are more popular.

    Just as for every Ron you have 10 Romneys, who are more popular.

    Throwing a bunch of celebrities into the mix doesn't tilt the balance in our favor.

    It doesn't do anything but make the nooz and "debates" even more painful to watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    For every Vince you have 10 Kanyes, who are more popular.

    Just as for every Ron you have 10 Romneys, who are more popular.

    Throwing a bunch of celebrities into the mix doesn't tilt the balance in our favor.

    It doesn't do anything but make the nooz and "debates" even more painful to watch.

    Career politicians are not sincere. If they say they want to limit a program they won't do it because they have nothing to campaign on.

    Maybe a leftist nonpolitician will stop wars or and a conservative nonpokitician will protect gun rights. At least we know they are trying on that issue. We also have more libertarians to choose from unlike only voting for Ron and Rand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dude58677 View Post
    What if most of the candidates are outsiders next election? Plus the media and polls lost credibility the last election.
    The media played everyone like a fidel and elected Trump how did they lose? Look, if you want to pretend like the government is going to reign in on Donald Trump and that Trump getting elected means that there is no establishment then vote for this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I4a...utu.be&t=5m26s

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