Anyone else find it really odd being on the same side as Lindsey Graham?

[devil21]

I wonder how much Phil got for selling out.

[devil21]

Evidently you did not bother to read my posts in full. I am not some huge fan of Republicans but from what I am seeing the Democrats and their news media are the ultimate extreme enemy at this point.

In other words, you're right back where you started prior to September 2007 and haven't learned a single damn thing. Sad.

If I have some greater liberty under the Republicans where we can make inroads and alliances from within I will take it over your choice of surrender.

Notice you said "under". Because that's exactly where they want you. "Under" their control. Kept on their reservation. Both parties survive because of your brand of surrender. Surrendering your balls, your principles, your mind to their two-party duality principle.

[Swordsmyth]

I wonder how much Phil got for selling out.

How much does Xi pay you?

[kahless]

In other words, you're right back where you started prior to September 2007 and haven't learned a single damn thing. Sad.

Notice you said "under". Because that's exactly where they want you. "Under" their control. Kept on their reservation. Both parties survive because of your brand of surrender. Surrendering your balls, your principles, your mind to their two-party duality principle.

There is some truth to that meme however I live in reality. Imagining that I am free and wishing to live free is not going to make it happen.

I learned that we will never have greater liberty by surrendering and that libertarians are being conditioned by the establishment to surrender. We will never experience greater liberty in our lifetimes by surrendering.

Rand, Amash and some others understand this. They are working within the Republican party and forming alliances when necessary.

[kahless]

How much does Xi pay you?

ah and here I thought it was the establishment telling him to surrender.

[devil21]

How much does Xi pay you?

Lame shill, lame. Everyone knows you're a shill. How does it feel to be utterly exposed all of the time and not even any good at it? I'd ask how it feels to be a traitor but you're not American so it would be pointless. Your employer should fire you and hire someone that's halfway decent.

[Swordsmyth]

ah and here I thought it was the establishment telling him to surrender.

China is part of the establishment.

[Swordsmyth]

Lame shill, lame. Everyone knows you're a shill. How does it feel to be utterly exposed all of the time and not even any good at it? I'd ask how it feels to be a traitor but you're not American so it would be pointless. Your employer should fire you and hire someone that's halfway decent.

Stop talking to yourself.

[phill4paul]

Evidently you did not bother to read my posts in full. I am not some huge fan of Republicans but from what I am seeing the Democrats and their news media are the ultimate extreme enemy at this point.

If I have some greater liberty under the Republicans where we can make inroads and alliances from within I will take it over your choice of surrender.

Hey, devil21 claims he is a small "L" purist. To wade into this is to muddy our snow white stocking feet. We can't take a position about a specific issue. One that is so libertarian perfect as "every man is presumed innocent."
Christ, to him and PierzStyx, even mentioning it sullies Ron Paul name. Becaue Ron was all about ancap.
To be a true believer you simply. can. not. participate. in. politics. Ever. Can't have an opinion. Ever. Unless it is the opinion that there should be no government. Ever and period.
It's a load of crap. And it separates those that believe in liberty from those that call themselves libertarians.

[devil21]

Stop talking to yourself.

Perfectly demonstrating my point of how utterly terrible you are at shilling. 3rd grade retorts from a 3rd grade mind. Your prepackaged post feed doesn't contain prepackaged insults too? That seems like a major oversight!

[phill4paul]

Lame shill, lame. Everyone knows you're a shill. How does it feel to be utterly exposed all of the time and not even any good at it? I'd ask how it feels to be a traitor but you're not American so it would be pointless. Your employer should fire you and hire someone that's halfway decent.

You're the shill. How does it feel for YOU to be exposed?

[Swordsmyth]

Hey, devil21 claims he is a small "L" purist. To wade into this is to muddy our snow white stocking feet. We can't take a position about a specific issue. One that is so libertarian perfect as "every man is presumed innocent."
Christ, to him and PierzStyx, even mentioning it sullies Ron Paul name. Becaue Ron was all about ancap.
To be a true believer you simply. can. not. participate. in. politics. Ever. Can't have an opinion. Ever. Unless it is the opinion that there should be no government. Ever and period.
It's a load of crap. And it separates those that believe in liberty from those that call themselves libertarians.

It is a tactic designed to keep those who believe in liberty from ever accomplishing anything.

[Swordsmyth]

Perfectly demonstrating my point of how utterly terrible you are at shilling. 3rd grade retorts from a 3rd grade mind. Your prepackaged post feed doesn't contain prepackaged insults too? That seems like a major oversight!

You fit that description better than I do.

[devil21]

Hey, devil21 claims he is a small "L" purist. To wade into this is to muddy our snow white stocking feet. We can't take a position about a specific issue. One that is so libertarian perfect as "every man is presumed innocent."
Christ, to him and PierzStyx, even mentioning it sullies Ron Paul name. Becaue Ron was all about ancap.
To be a true believer you simply. can. not. participate. in. politics. Ever. Can't have an opinion. Ever. Unless it is the opinion that there should be no government. Ever and period.
It's a load of crap. And it separates those that believe in liberty from those that call themselves libertarians.

You're really going to demonstrate your commitment to libertarianism by running back to the same Republican party that stomped all over Ron Paul and all of his supporters? Broke people's limbs at conventions because they were going to LOSE the convention? Turned the lights off? Run back to the same Fox News that called us all crazy terrorsts and excluded Ron from debates and polls? You're going to "participate" by running back to the same people? Wow, Stockholm Syndrome writ large and battered wife syndrome all wrapped up together!

It is a tactic designed to keep those who believe in liberty from ever accomplishing anything.

Swordsmyth's definition of "Accomplishing" is selling out to the Zionists like he and Phil has. The Republican Party made it very clear before that we were never going to be allowed to "accomplish anything" except give them money and vote for their chosen candidates.

[Swordsmyth]

Swordsmyth's definition of "Accomplishing" is selling out to the Zionists like he and Phil has.

LOL

[phill4paul]

You're really going to demonstrate your commitment to libertarianism by running back to the same Republican party that stomped all over Ron Paul and all of his supporters? Broke people's limbs at conventions because they were going to LOSE the convention? Turned the lights off? Run back to the same Fox News that called us all crazy terrorsts and excluded Ron from debates and polls? You're going to "participate" by running back to the same people? Wow, Stockholm Syndrome writ large and battered wife syndrome all wrapped up together!



Swordsmyth's definition of "Accomplishing" is selling out to the Zionists like he and Phil has.

Unlike Ford, Ramirez or Swetnick, there is actually a witness, Swordsmyth, to my testimony. You're a member of the "Do Nothing" party. All you can do, much like PierzStyx, is criticize and obfuscate.
How much does it cost to join the "Do Nothing" party? Perhaps Brian can get you a tag much like the "I stand with Rand" one. Should we petition him? Perhaps we can organize a money-bomb?
Perhaps it's own header under the "activism" page?

[devil21]

Unlike Ford, Ramirez or Swetnick, there is actually a witness, Swordsmyth, to my testimony. You're a member of the "Do Nothing" party. All you can do, much like PierzStyx, is criticize and obfuscate.
How much does it cost to join the "Do Nothing" party? Perhaps Brian can get you a tag much like the "I stand with Rand" one. Should we petition him? Perhaps we can organize a money-bomb?
Perhaps it's own header under the "activism" page?

Actually I belong to the 'DO SOMETHING ELSE' party, not the 'DO THE SAME THING BUT EXPECT DIFFERENT RESULTS' party.

Btw, it's awesome how triggered y'all were by the Tyranny cartoon.

[phill4paul]

Actually I belong to the 'DO SOMETHING ELSE' party, not the 'DO THE SAME THING BUT EXPECT DIFFERENT RESULTS' party.

Btw, it's awesome how triggered y'all were by the Tyranny cartoon.

Had to scroll up. Hadn't seen it. Meh, seen it before. Interesting that you assumed I had for this discussion. You are so superior you know EVERYTHING about me. $#@! off already, Dudley Do Nothing.

[devil21]

Had to scroll up. Hadn't seen it. Meh, seen it before. Interesting that you assumed I had for this discussion. You are so superior you know EVERYTHING about me. $#@! off already, Dudley Do Nothing.

It's ok, I'm sure you can find a safe space somewhere to heal. Then go back to the same people for some more abuse. It'll be different this time, I promise.

[phill4paul]

It's ok, I'm sure you can find a safe space somewhere to heal. Then go back to the same people for some more abuse. It'll be different this time, I promise.

Ahhh hhha. Your witticism and liberals witticism are exactly the same. Had a progressive tell me the same thing. Funny. "Safe space." C'mon man, I petitioned the elders of the site to get your "Do Nothing Ever" party going on the "activism" page. Least you can do is go there and approve of it. I mentioned you should be a major share holder in the enterprise. Well, you and PierzStyx.

[Anti Globalist]

He is a snake! The only question to ask is what is he trying to get out of putting on this show.

That said, it was a pretty good show and was one of my favorite rings in this circus.

My guess is he's trying to propel himself to the presidency in 2024. Theres no doubt this moment will be talked about again when hes runs for president.

[CaptUSA]

Ahhh hhha. Your witticism and liberals witticism are exactly the same. Had a progressive tell me the same thing. Funny. "Safe space." C'mon man, I petitioned the elders of the site to get your "Do Nothing Ever" party going on the "activism" page. Least you can do is go there and approve of it. I mentioned you should be a major share holder in the enterprise. Well, you and PierzStyx.

Phil, let me try to bridge the gap here... We're talking past each other on this when we should be allies.

Like with every TV show, there are plotlines that you see during the story and the plotlines you don't see that involve the business behind the programming (actor contracts, ad revenue, PR messaging, indoctrination of ideas, etc.).

With politics, this same thing holds true, however, there are real world implications to both. When you look at the substance of this latest controversy, you are absolutely correct. In everything you've said. One party is trying to ruin a man in order to gain power. It's despicable. It makes us all sick and we are disgusted at what is becoming of the country. We want to make sure that the party that is instigating this crap pays a price. Unfortunately, the other party is no better. Kavanaugh is just as swampy as the rest of them.

But if you look beyond the controversy-du-jour, and see it from the point of view of the programmers, it becomes clear that this whole thing is a fundraising gimmick for the November election. Both parties and the media are using whatever controversy they can to ensure good ratings, DNC/RNC fundraising (the emails are already flying), and to push people into one camp or the other. This is a fight over the power to control you and both parties want it. This is political sweeps week. If it weren't this Kavanaugh thing, it would have been something else. The game goes on.

Anyway, it seem silly to fight amongst ourselves when we're all right. It's just a matter of which aspect of this mess you're choosing to focus on.

The great thing about Ron Paul (a key figure in the "Do Nothing" party, I suppose) was that he got people to focus beyond the controversy-du-jour and to see the larger division game. I can't speak for the other posters, but what I've been trying to do is to keep people from falling into the trap of getting caught up in the show and pull back the curtain on the producers of the show. My fear is that people who were once awoken are being lulled back into a slumber by a compelling storyline. It may not accomplish much, but if we can't even keep people in RPF awake, what hope do we have for the rest of the nation?

[shakey1]

Please friends... Lest you forget. They are all on the same side. Kavanaugh, Graham, Feinstein, all of them.

I know you watched a show today and it had big, huge government ratings. But this was sweeps week to get you ginned up for the month-long run into the off-year election.

This was a show. The two factions of the government party putting on a show for fundraising and to fight over the power they have over you. If you view this charade as a show, you won't "take a side". Ron Paul woke you up - don't fall back asleep. It's easy to get caught up in the show - it's entertaining and gives you much to talk about around the water cooler. But it's a show. Do you really think the Democrats believe this woman?? That they were sitting in the presence of a attempted rapist? I didn't watch the whole show, but did any of them call him despicable or a liar?? Or did they just want to delay things? Do you really think a Republican cares if he committed some act in high school?! Hell, they've all done worse.

It's a play fight over the power to control you. Every creature in that room wants that power. This ratings game is just another tool to get it. R vs D fundraising event.

[AuH20]

Kavanaugh isn't my personal preference, but I'm not going to look a gift horse in the mouth. He has the potential to reinforce the Heller decision and wreak havoc against the anti-gun forces nationwide.

[Working Poor]

I am not on the same side as Lindsey Graham. When I found out that Kavanaugh worked to help create the Patriot Act and that Bush was for him I knew I had to be at least not for him but certainly I am not on the same side either.

[AuH20]

That's the problem.

Maybe this was the dilemma from the beginning? Trump wasn't going to get a better candidate through the judicial committee?

[CCTelander]

In other words, you're right back where you started prior to September 2007 and haven't learned a single damn thing. Sad.



Notice you said "under". Because that's exactly where they want you. "Under" their control. Kept on their reservation. Both parties survive because of your brand of surrender. Surrendering your balls, your principles, your mind to their two-party duality principle.

Thete's a great deal of wisdom in this post. Inhope it gets taken to heart.

[donnay]

Thinking this over, this Lindsey is a weasel after power, pure and simple. He knows something. For whatever reasons, he senses that fighting for Trump's nominee is the way to attain it. Alliances may be changing. The next year may be interesting.

Graham is vying for the AG's slot when Sessions leaves.

[CCTelander]

Phil, let me try to bridge the gap here... We're talking past each other on this when we should be allies.

Like with every TV show, there are plotlines that you see during the story and the plotlines you don't see that involve the business behind the programming (actor contracts, ad revenue, PR messaging, indoctrination of ideas, etc.).

With politics, this same thing holds true, however, there are real world implications to both. When you look at the substance of this latest controversy, you are absolutely correct. In everything you've said. One party is trying to ruin a man in order to gain power. It's despicable. It makes us all sick and we are disgusted at what is becoming of the country. We want to make sure that the party that is instigating this crap pays a price. Unfortunately, the other party is no better. Kavanaugh is just as swampy as the rest of them.

But if you look beyond the controversy-du-jour, and see it from the point of view of the programmers, it becomes clear that this whole thing is a fundraising gimmick for the November election. Both parties and the media are using whatever controversy they can to ensure good ratings, DNC/RNC fundraising (the emails are already flying), and to push people into one camp or the other. This is a fight over the power to control you and both parties want it. This is political sweeps week. If it weren't this Kavanaugh thing, it would have been something else. The game goes on.

Anyway, it seem silly to fight amongst ourselves when we're all right. It's just a matter of which aspect of this mess you're choosing to focus on.

The great thing about Ron Paul (a key figure in the "Do Nothing" party, I suppose) was that he got people to focus beyond the controversy-du-jour and to see the larger division game. I can't speak for the other posters, but what I've been trying to do is to keep people from falling into the trap of getting caught up in the show and pull back the curtain on the producers of the show. My fear is that people who were once awoken are being lulled back into a slumber by a compelling storyline. It may not accomplish much, but if we can't even keep people in RPF awake, what hope do we have for the rest of the nation?

I'd +rep this post 1000 times if I could. It's pure gold and deserves it and I truly hope that the wisdom expressed above will be taken to heart by all of us. Unfortunately, based upon decades of past experience, I sincerely doubt that it will be.

I've said it many times before and I'll say it again, when liberty finally is established here in America, and it will be, it will be in spite of the so-called "liberty movement," not because of it. The unwillingness of so many to learn the lessons contained in your words above is a big part of why that will be so.

[AuH20]

Hey, devil21 claims he is a small "L" purist. To wade into this is to muddy our snow white stocking feet. We can't take a position about a specific issue. One that is so libertarian perfect as "every man is presumed innocent."
Christ, to him and PierzStyx, even mentioning it sullies Ron Paul name. Becaue Ron was all about ancap.
To be a true believer you simply. can. not. participate. in. politics. Ever. Can't have an opinion. Ever. Unless it is the opinion that there should be no government. Ever and period.
It's a load of crap. And it separates those that believe in liberty from those that call themselves libertarians.

You may want to be apolitical, but rest assured politics will find you. That's where I sit with Kavanaugh. I don't like Kavanaugh and his scumbag friends, but if he can advance the ball forward, I'll tolerate him. Now we see if he can deliver.