Correct, they are irredeemable and are the permanent enemy of the people. The best part is after years of us battling these entities tooth and nail during the RP campaigns, there are those that use links from these organizations nearly every single day on this website. Those same people then call others paid trolls and bots. And then there are those that come to the side of these people to assist them in calling their enemies paid trolls and bots. Either they were not around during those early RP campaigns, learned little, or they could care less and are hell bent on division at all costs.
You can't debate, discuss, negotiate, reason, or rationalize with the media or anyone following them and still using them as a resource. They are all part of the same creed at this point. Some may still leave while there is time left, but we are reaching a point where battle lines have been sternly drawn and that window is closing. They despise us, and want us dead, because we want to be free and want to build and want to create life and bring joy to the world in whichever small ways we are able. They hate all of these things and they hate us for proudly doing so. Stopping all association with these people in the long run will be the only way forward, and it thankfully appears we are headed in that direction.
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