I think scotus blew it on this one. The ruling serves no practical purpose. It just creates more waste as cases will have to be retried in federal court. I think they should have just ruled that the situation in Oklahoma was settled law.
Some people seem to think that everyone but whites should get to have a homeland.Originally Posted by RJB
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yeah... so close.... that romney loooks like a kid caught chokin tha chicken !Lets not overlook the possibility that President Trump may be severely conservative like Mitt Romney.
They're very close you know.
bane of the capital needs a bullet already
Conquer or be conquered. Sorry, they lost the land to us under the rules of the time. Only white people are stupid enough to give it back. We are too comfortable and complacent in our wealthy nations, we are completely removed from the struggles of our ancestors so we judge them as we squander and give away everything they fought for. Modern whites will be judged more harshly by history than any of our ancestors whom we now condemn.
Not sure if everyone really understands how it works . As far as the fed govt is concerned they define an indian . An Indian is a recognized member of a federally recognized tribe . These are under Dept of Interior , Bureau of Indian affairs . These are about nobody in Tulsa and not even most Indians in the Indian Territory . They have own police and about 9K govt employees if four offices headquartered in DC . These are over the Indians recognized by the feds and no others have authority . This has always been the law . The Bureau of Indian Affairs has existed since the 1820's and prior to that ( It was called Indian Trade ).
You mean white Liberals are stupid enough to give it back because they feel offended for what Euporean settlers to the natives. Only white liberals hate themselves so much then anyone else i know. Destroying historical places like Mount Rushmore would more idiotic.
It feels as if the 2016 election lose of Hillary ruined American Liberal's brains.
They were ruined long before that, it just sent them into war mode, and Donald Trump was naive enough to believe they sincerely wanted cooperation.
The Bolsheviks in Russia won under "the rules of the time," too.
And if the SJW Marxists of today win, they too will have done so under "the rules of the time."
Because that's how the principle of"the rules of the time""might makes right" works.
If it's supposed to be an elucidation of how conquerors end up getting their way, then it's just a pointless tautology.
If it's supposed to be a justification for anything, then it's pretty lame (see the two examples I gave above) and you should find another one.
Will be? They already are. Haven't you noticed?
And it's only going to get worse. Thomas Jefferson told us so:
"[...] I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that his justice cannot sleep for ever: that considering numbers, nature and natural means only, a revolution of the wheel of fortune, an exchange of situation, is among possible events: that it may become probable [...]"-- Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia
Injustices always have consequences - but unfortunately, not always for the perpetrators ... ("... yea, unto the seventh generation ...")
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To the victor go the spoils, if they win they have every right to ensure that their dominion continues. You never saw Bolsheviks willingly ceding power just because it was "the moral thing to do". I have no problem with Native Americans fighting to take it back, but it's stupid just to give it to them. We conquered this land, just like they conquered it from other tribes. It's ours now, and to just let them have it without a fight is naive. Now that's not what this ruling is about, but your post seems to suggest that you'd be ok with that since it was morally wrong of us to conquer them in the first place. Just don't expect me to support that argument unless you also hold them accountable for conquering and slaughtering other Native tribes.
What I mean is that liberal whites will be judged for harshly for their suicidal altruism. Thomas Jefferson is denigrated now, but it will be the left-libertarians, the RINOS, and the anti-racist social justice warriors that will ultimately go down as the biggest fools in all of history for giving up their civilization out of unfounded white guilt.
Apparently there was a recent SCOTUS ruling that due to some old treaty a huge chunk of Oklahoma is not under the jurisdiction of the State of Oklahoma but is rather Muskegee Indian territory. Someone got off of some crime by claiming Oklahoma doesn't have jurisdiction...and won. Wow! I wonder if Muskegee casinos are about to start going up in Tulsa?
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That would be the Muscogee Creek Nation. Despite its name, it does include the Ouchee Creek and other Creek bands, as well as the Muscogee. It does not rhyme with Tuskegee. And the casino has been around as long as I can remember, though until a decade or two back, it was just a bingo hall.
Oklahoma was still Indian Territory during the Civil War, and all the treaties that created it were declared null and void when all the tribes joined the Confederacy. After they were defeated (a process that wasn't complete until well after Appomattox), the land was apportioned. This did two things. It forced the idea of land ownership by individuals on the Indians, and after each got his or her "portion" of land, there was some left over for white settlers.
As a result, the former Indian Territory was one of the few states with no reservations--until now. I'm glad the Supreme Court ruled this way on this case, which is called McGirt v. Oklahoma. I want the state given back to the Five Civilized Tribes, and the other native nations. I trust them a hell of a lot more than Washington, D.C., especially with Bill Gates' Eugenics Vaccine in the pipeline.
Keep your Demopublicans and Republicrats. My capitals are Okmulgee and Tahlequah, and Lockheed, Pfizer and Google do not own them. Collectivist thinking may be all the rage these days. Even this place--once a bastion of rugged individualism--has gone tribal as hell. Well, individualism, individual rights, and individual merit is the thing that can destroy the divide and conquer tactics being used against We, the People. But if even the former rugged individualists here are bound and determined to help our enemies win by embracing the self-defeating siren song of tribalism, I'll throw in with the Creeks, Cherokees and Osage in a heartbeat. At least those tribes have prior claims and legal standing.
Before this is over, you may all be wishing you were born where I was born.
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Bump for update.
THREAD: Supreme Court Ruling Modifies McGirt Decision to Protect State Sovereignty
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