Patient Dumping: University of Maryland hospital apologizes (for getting caught)

[goldenequity]

"...video showed security guards leaving a disoriented woman from the University of Maryland Medical Center Midtown on the street, barely dressed, when the temperature was in the 30s. It’s the latest hospital across the country accused of a practice known as “patient dumping” or “hospital dumping” in which patients who are homeless, mentally ill or both are released to the streets."


University of Maryland hospital apologizes for its failure to discharged patient found on street in hospital gown
http://www.baltimoresun.com/health/b...111-story.html

The 3 Original videos:
https://www.facebook.com/imamu.barak...10?pnref=story

I just witnessed this with my own eyes. I had no choice but to give this young lady a voice in this moment. University of Maryland Medical Center Midtown Campus (UMMC) as a Doctor of Healthcare Administration (DHA) student -- may I remind you of the importance of the VISION of your MEDICAL CENTER: "UMMC will be known for providing high value and compassionate care, improving health in Maryland and beyond, educating future health care leaders and discovering innovative ways to advance medicine worldwide." You can do better. You must do better.

now it get's spun...

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My view:
We will see more of this.
The 'tension' is good for Americans.
Good for the politcal theatre/dialog.
Bring the troops home & the money home.
Churches need to step BACK into their historical role.


Of course.. We don't know any of the 'circumstances' surrounding the woman.
Answer: Who cares.
This was just plain wrong in any moral sense of the word.
She becomes an 'icon' for the issue.
That's ok. It deserves attention.

[Schifference]

More poor immigrants from $#@!hole countries is sure to alleviate this problem.

[Raginfridus]

More poor immigrants from $#@!hole countries is sure to alleviate this problem.

What problem?

[pcosmar]

With socialized medicine you will see more of it,, unless they get much better at covering it up.

[sparebulb]

With socialized medicine you will see more of it,, unless they get much better at covering it up.

No problem with that.

A friend of mine's dad was a heavy equipment operator in the Army in the Philippines in WW2.

He said that his personal best was burying 700 japs in one day with his bulldozer.

[pcosmar]

No problem with that.

A friend of mine's dad was a heavy equipment operator in the Army in the Philippines in WW2.

He said that his personal best was burying 700 japs in one day with his bulldozer.

Soylent Scoops.

[nobody's_hero]

Well, it is a hospital, not a homeless shelter or a hotel. I'm sorry that sounds mean, but the hospital discharges patients when they are no longer sick. Someone else who is ill needs that bed. I suppose they could have let her stay in the waiting room, but then you open up a can of worms and will have every homeless person in the city crowding your hallways. I'm gonna get flamed bad for this, but having worked in healthcare I get tired of people dumping loads more responsibilities and expectations on hospitals that go beyond, well, healthcare. Maybe the person filming this should have let her into his home, or open a homeless shelter in a city that clearly has need for one. The hospital's part of the job is done.

They've already treated a patient for an illness knowing that she has no insurance and it's a bill they'll never collect anything on. So, I don't know what insurance has to do with anything regarding this woman roaming the streets she was already roaming before she was admitted. But the hospital's already gone far beyond what many people would do if they were running a business other than healthcare. (Would you give everyone free tires if they couldn't afford them, if you were the owner of a tire store? Maybe give everyone a free TV if you ran an electronics store? Probably not.) Just to put things in perspective.

[sparebulb]

Soylent Scoops.

Or, Freedom Scoops.

"Soylent Green is people" is much the same as "government of the People".

[RJB]

You run a hospital. You have so many rooms and so many people. You have regulations on how many people can stay. You either limit who comes in or kick some people out.

[Raginfridus]

They should dump huwite mothers and their babies on the road.

[pcosmar]

You run a hospital. You have so many rooms and so many people. You have regulations on how many people can stay. You either limit who comes in or kick some people out.

I think the problem is right there in that first sentence.

Not ,, Ease suffering.
Not, cure the sick, and injured
Not, give rest to the dying

Not care..

Run the business.

[RJB]

I think the problem is right there in that first sentence.

Not ,, Ease suffering.
Not, cure the sick, and injured
Not, give rest to the dying

Not care..

Run the business.

You are absolutely right. Why don't you spend your time caring for thousands of people purely through the grace of your saintliness? I'm sure its that easy.

[pcosmar]

You are absolutely right. Why don't you spend your time caring for thousands of people purely through the grace of your saintliness? I'm sure its that easy.

Each as I meet them,, but I never went into the medical profession.

Charity Hospitals used to be the rule rather than the exception. They were not run as a profitable business,, but as a service to their fellow man. There was no profit motive. There was a compassion motive.

Motivation.. it makes a difference.

[RJB]

Each as I meet them,, but I never went into the medical profession.

Charity Hospitals used to be the rule rather than the exception. They were not run as a profitable business,, but as a service to their fellow man. There was no profit motive. There was a compassion motive.

Motivation.. it makes a difference.

In some ways you're right. I had knee jerk reaction to your post.

I had a job as a CNA at a nursing home for two years. Barely above minimum wage. Mostly I changed diapers on older people who sometimes had dementia and would fight. There should have been 1 CNA per 5 residence but usually I had about 13 people. We literally had to lie on the paperwork because there was no way we could do what was required. It was a side of life very few people see and don't want to see. Doctors and nurses have families to feed.

On the other hand, in the back of the center there were about 20 reserved parking lots for "Activities director" and other "directors." People I would never see, who I found out were related to the owner. There was a lot of money to be made in that business, but the people who were knee deep in the literal $#@! didn't see much of it. People who never did a days work made a killing.

[juleswin]

More poor immigrants from $#@!hole countries is sure to alleviate this problem.

What any of the gibberish mentioned in this post has to do with acute care hospital refusing to be warehouse for the mental health patients, we would never ever know. But one thing we know for sure is that people on the internet talking out of ignorance will never seize.

[pcosmar]

In some ways you're right. I had knee jerk reaction to your post.

it's OK. hot buttons are common.. got a couple myself.

I also have a sister that is a Nurse,, my Mother was as well. And Dr. Paul is a Doctor.
I mean no disrespect to those that try to help people,,,

I was referring to the motivation of a Charity Hospital and that of a Corporate/Socialist Hospital,, or for profit hospital.

I have a low opinion of profiting from suffering..

[juleswin]

With socialized medicine you will see more of it,, unless they get much better at covering it up.

That is because in a more capitalist system people like her without money would never be able to step inside a hospital like that in the first place. It is sad how people on our side are quick to blame socialism for any perceived evil they see in the world. What do you say, the rain has been late this season, well it must be socialism's fault

I have seen patient abuse the hell out of the system in ways that would make any hospital owner sick. I know people without any insurance that come to the unit every other week, they get free medicine, free stay, loads of expensive medical test run on them and yet they pay nothing to the hospital. Sometimes when the docs put in the order to discharge, they refuse to leave. We would have social worker running about trying to get placement for these people and even then they sometimes refuse to leave.

The truth is that her family or people close to her dumped her onto the hospital system and this is the hospital sending her back. This has very little to do with socialism, if socialism is to be blamed for anything, it is working to help her take advantage of the hospital.

[RJB]

it's OK. hot buttons are common.. got a couple myself.

I also have a sister that is a Nurse,, my Mother was as well. And Dr. Paul is a Doctor.
I mean no disrespect to those that try to help people,,,

I was referring to the motivation of a Charity Hospital and that of a Corporate/Socialist Hospital,, or for profit hospital.

I have a low opinion of profiting from suffering..

I agree.

[pcosmar]

But one thing we know for sure is that people on the internet talking out of ignorance will never seize.

Nice of you to prove it.

I really don't care what kind of facility it was..

You don't force a half naked person out into the cold. Period.

It is offensive,, it is inhuman. Period..

Get her a coat,, or get her to a shelter.. There are many.
Give her a blanket and a corner..

Decent human beings do not treat other human beings like this..
some do,,but not decent humans.

[sparebulb]

That is because in a more capitalist system people like her without money would never be able to step inside a hospital like that in the first place. It is sad how people on our side are quick to blame socialism for any perceived evil they see in the world. What do you say, the rain has been late this season, well it must be socialism's fault

I have seen patient abuse the hell out of the system in ways that would make any hospital owner sick. I know people without any insurance that come to the unit every other week, they get free medicine, free stay, loads of expensive medical test run on them and yet they pay nothing to the hospital. Sometimes when the docs put in the order to discharge, they refuse to leave. We would have social worker running about trying to get placement for these people and even then they sometimes refuse to leave.

The truth is that her family or people close to her dumped her onto the hospital system and this is the hospital sending her back. This has very little to do with socialism, if socialism is to be blamed for anything, it is working to help her take advantage of the hospital.

To bad the real Che didn't live long enough to see real socialized medicine in action.

The State could have provided Che a dirty used band-aid to put over the bullet hole in his greasy head.

[pcosmar]

That is because in a more capitalist system people like her without money would never be able to step inside a hospital like that in the first place.

Pretty sure Dr. Paul would disagree,, and I think he had a record to prove it.

research and all that

[juleswin]

Nice of you to prove it.

I really don't care what kind of facility it was..

You don't force a half naked person out into the cold. Period.

It is offensive,, it is inhuman. Period..

Get her a coat,, or get her to a shelter.. There are many.
Give her a blanket and a corner..

Decent human beings do not treat other human beings like this..
some do,,but not decent humans.

You should start a hospital and run it the way you want to run it. I bet you would make loads of money

[euphemia]

I think the only way the hospital will recover from this is to march the administrators and the board out the door, barefoot, and in hospital gowns with their pink slips.

[TheTexan]

OMG they refused to provide her service just because she couldn't pay for it???

Those monsters!

What has this country come to??!

[juleswin]

Pretty sure Dr. Paul would disagree,, and I think he had a record to prove it.

research and all that

If you think the world Ron Paul practiced in would ever exist in the US then you have no idea what you are talking about. He grew up when a man working one job he got after high school can easily raise a family. That world is never going to happen again unless the US plans on destroying the economies of Europe, Asia and become supreme king again.

Yes capitalism would lover medical cost but it would never lower it to the point where people without money are able to take long free vacations in an acute health hospitals without getting kicked out. But go on, keep dreaming

[TheTexan]

It's time to make America great again,

with universal healthcare, UBI, and free college for everybody

[euphemia]

OMG they refused to provide her service just because she couldn't pay for it???

Those monsters!

What has this country come to??!

Where are the clothes and shoes she came in with? She didn't walk in wearing a hospital gown and no shoes.

[Anti Federalist]

You should start a hospital and run it the way you want to run it. I bet you would make loads of money

You cannot.

Socialist and intrusive government regulations prohibit it.

Nor can you use your own home to shelter homeless in cold weather, or you will find "authorities" on you door, threatening to condemn and take your home.

A great deal of what the problem is in health care and homelessness can be laid at the feet of intrusive and all powerful government.

[sparebulb]

Where are the clothes and shoes she came in with? She didn't walk in wearing a hospital gown and no shoes.

That is a darn good question.

It shows an extra level of not giving a shat about basic human decency.

[specsaregood]

Where are the clothes and shoes she came in with? She didn't walk in wearing a hospital gown and no shoes.

They are in plastic bags shown on the ground at the end of video.

That is where they really screwed up. I get kicking her out, but there is no excuse for not making sure she was dressed first.