In Close Vote, House Blocks Debate on Yemen War

[charrob]

In Close Vote, House Blocks Debate on Yemen War:


Vote was tied to bill cracking down on gray wolves.

On Wednesday, in a vote heavily along party lines, the House passed the Manage our Wolves Act 201-187. The vote effectively blocked all debate on the war in Yemen, and precluded that conflict from coming up for a future vote.

This is the second straight year that an attempt to challenge America’s unauthorized involvement in the Yemen War under the War Powers Act has been derailed by House leadership through last minute rule changes. This time, it required tying the rule change to a vote about gray wolves.

This led to a bizarre situation where they were debating the constitutionality of the Yemen War on one side, and the desire to shoot gray wolves on the other side. This was meant to give cover to lawmakers, to say they were voting because of the wolves instead of the unpopular Saudi-led war.

The close vote, and near universal 6-172 vote by House Democrats, may suggest that there will be a shift in a future vote on the Yemen War when the Democrats take over the House next year, though their leadership has been similarly inclined to let the wars go unchallenged in Congress.

So Republicans not only enjoy slaughtering innocent human beings but they also enjoy slaughtering wolves. Tell me again why Republicans are the better party?

[Ender]

In Close Vote, House Blocks Debate on Yemen War:


Vote was tied to bill cracking down on gray wolves.



So Republicans not only enjoy slaughtering innocent human beings but they also enjoy slaughtering wolves. Tell me again why Republicans are the better party?

WTH???

[Swordsmyth]

In Close Vote, House Blocks Debate on Yemen War:


Vote was tied to bill cracking down on gray wolves.



So Republicans not only enjoy slaughtering innocent human beings but they also enjoy slaughtering wolves. Tell me again why Republicans are the better party?

What is wrong with killing wolves?

[enhanced_deficit]

Neocons in control of all branches?

Or Soros funded Syria civil-war bloodbath left-wing neocons and Adelson funded Netanyahu-conservatives/MAGAites/Jarvankaites have reached an understanding that wars are good for wall street necons?

[Anti Globalist]

It's stuff like this that makes politics so disgusting.

[charrob]

What is wrong with killing wolves?

I'm not going to argue on this forum about this because it's not the place. But, for what it's worth, I don't want to see the gray wolf become extinct. They are a natural part of the ecosystem and if they become extinct, the rest of the ecosystem will be affected. I have no problem with people killing deer or fowl for food: indeed it's much less cruel than what factory farm animals endure on a daily basis. But to work toward the extinction of an entire species seems just plain wrong to me.

[r3volution 3.0]

The Yemen bill was co-sponsored by, among others, Thomas Massie and Walter Jones.

It reads, in part:

Directing the President...to remove United States Armies Forces from hostilities in the Republic of Yemen that have not been authorized by Congress

https://www.congress.gov/115/bills/h...onres138ih.pdf

[Swordsmyth]

I'm not going to argue on this forum about this because it's not the place. But, for what it's worth, I don't want to see the gray wolf become extinct. They are a natural part of the ecosystem and if they become extinct, the rest of the ecosystem will be affected. I have no problem in killing deer or fowl for food: indeed it's much less cruel than what factory farm animals endure on a daily basis. But to work toward the extinction of an entire species seems just plain wrong to me.

I doubt anyone is working towards the extinction of the gray wolf, the liberals have been trying to spread them in order to hurt ranchers and make it dangerous to live outside of big cities.

The reduction of major predators is a major element of civilization and other creatures and human hunters can fill their place in the ecosystem.

[Origanalist]

What is wrong with killing wolves?

[Swordsmyth]

[spudea]

I'm not going to argue on this forum about this because it's not the place. But, for what it's worth, I don't want to see the gray wolf become extinct. They are a natural part of the ecosystem and if they become extinct, the rest of the ecosystem will be affected. I have no problem in killing deer or fowl for food: indeed it's much less cruel than what factory farm animals endure on a daily basis. But to work toward the extinction of an entire species seems just plain wrong to me.

cool why do we need the federal government involved, if it is so important, then organize private sanctuaries.

[Origanalist]

Are you claiming to be my bastard son?

[charrob]

Neocons in control of all branches?

Or Soros funded Syria civil-war bloodbath left-wing neocons and Adelson funded Netanyahu-conservatives/MAGAites/Jarvankaites have reached an understanding that wars are good for wall street necons?

Yep. Unfortunately. And with each year of U.S. foreign interventions -- millions killed -- millions more maimed for the rest of their lives, because of blow-back the American people become less safe and less secure; just the opposite than what the powers that be tell us these wars are for.

[Swordsmyth]

Are you claiming to be my bastard son?

No, just empathizing with any you do have.

[Origanalist]

No, just empathizing with any you do have.

Lol, you have a imagination. Who'da thunk it?

[charrob]

The Yemen bill was co-sponsored by, among others, Thomas Massie and Walter Jones.

It reads, in part:

https://www.congress.gov/115/bills/h...onres138ih.pdf

Yes, here's the list of Republicans who voted with the Democrats on this:

Amash
Biggs
Blum
Brat
Duncan
Gohmert
Griffith
Jordan
Labrador
Massie
Meadows
Norman
Posey
Sanford
Schweikert

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2018/roll418.xml

[acptulsa]

Congress once again addressing something which the Constitution says is Congress' responsibility by voting that it's somebody else's problem.

[enhanced_deficit]

Yep. Unfortunately. And with each year of U.S. foreign interventions -- millions killed -- millions more maimed for the rest of their lives, because of blow-back the American people become less safe and less secure; just the opposite than what the powers that be tell us these wars are for.

It is unfortunate that many civilians die/get maimed in wars. But to be devil's advocate, wars can spur maga mega sales of bombs, weapons that create many well paying jobs and help put food on the table for many many of our childrens.





That said, reckless acronyms like CBS (Cadet Bone Saw) for our close ally dictators, not to be confused with maga insulting term war hero McCain used, being thrown around online do not promote productive dialog on such polarising issues as war and peace.

[r3volution 3.0]

Yes, here's the list of Republicans who voted with the Democrats on this:

Amash
Biggs
Blum
Brat
Duncan
Gohmert
Griffith
Jordan
Labrador
Massie
Meadows
Norman
Posey
Sanford
Schweikert

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2018/roll418.xml

Thanks, I was having trouble finding it.

Glad to see Amash on the list (was surprised he wasn't a co-sponsor).

[charrob]

cool why do we need the federal government involved, if it is so important, then organize private sanctuaries.

I think private sanctuaries are very important. Many species like the white rhino are already extinct. The problem is finding people willing to fund private sanctuaries as more and more of the natural world becomes extinct at a faster and faster pace. The other issue would be that if the gray wolf is no longer part of the natural ecosystem (and only exists in private sanctuaries) it will affect the rest of the ecosystem:

Wolves maintain balance in the ecosystems where they are present, making herds of other species stronger and fitter by targeting sick and weak animals, like those infected with chronic wasting disease. When such herds lose their predators, they suffer poorer health and body condition, as well as more degraded habitats, which can induce mass starvation.

https://blog.humanesociety.org/2018/...-congress.html

I remember reading an article a few years ago: I think it was about for some reason people obliterating opossums. Not sure why, but they did. And many believe that is why we now have such an infestation of lyme disease and deer ticks. Just like blow-back in foreign policy, there is blow-back in nature/ecosystems when humans destroy species.

It's outside the scope of this argument, but I'm also opposed to unnecessary cruelty to any sentient live being. It's one thing to shoot a deer point blank between the eyes so its suffering is minimized. It's quite another to put traps out and have wolves, deer, and other live beings get their paws in one of these traps and linger for days and weeks in agony before they finally die. And, yes, this does happen. I think this cruelty should be outlawed by States, but if it's not, this is where I have no problem with a Federal law outlawing this kind of torture.

I do believe animals have rights. Maybe not the same rights as humans. But a right to be treated humanely.

[Swordsmyth]

I think private sanctuaries are very important. Many species like the white rhino are already extinct. The problem is finding people willing to fund private sanctuaries as more and more of the natural world becomes extinct at a faster and faster pace. The other issue would be that if the gray wolf is no longer part of the natural ecosystem (and only exists in private sanctuaries) it will affect the rest of the ecosystem:



I remember reading an article a few years ago: I think it was about for some reason people obliterating opossums. Not sure why, but they did. And many believe that is why we now have such an infestation of lyme disease and deer ticks. Just like blow-back in foreign policy, there is blow-back in nature/ecosystems when humans destroy species.

It's outside the scope of this argument, but I'm also opposed to unnecessary cruelty to any sentient live being. It's one thing to shoot a deer point blank between the eyes so its suffering is minimized. It's quite another to put traps out and have wolves, deer, and other live beings get their paws in one of these traps and linger for days and weeks in agony before they finally die. And, yes, this does happen. I think this cruelty should be outlawed by States, but if it's not, this is where I have no problem with a Federal law outlawing this kind of torture.

I do believe animals have rights. Maybe not the same rights as humans. But a right to be treated humanely.

FAIL

[charrob]

FAIL

I know you're right according to the Founders. But I don't see sentient beings as being property -- whether they were slaves or other. I suppose like the 13th Amendment, what would be needed is a Constitutional amendment to ban the torture of sentient beings. So in that, yes, you are right. It should not be a Federal Law -- what, imho it should be, is a Constitutional amendment.

[Swordsmyth]

I know you're right according to the Founders. But I don't see sentient beings as being property -- whether they were slaves or other. I suppose like the 13th Amendment, what would be needed is a Constitutional amendment to ban the torture of sentient beings. So in that, yes, you are right. It should not be a Federal Law -- what, imho it should be, is a Constitutional amendment.

Not only would it not be constitutional without an amendment but it exactly the kind of debatable and subjective issue that the founders thought should be handled at the state level or below so that people from an urban region couldn't tell people from a rural reason what to do even though they had no understanding of the issues or the point of view of the rural residents.

[goldenequity]

Rep. Ro Khanna (D) California can't believe it. yah Ro... it's true.



Congress blocks a resolution to end US military support for Saudis in Yemen

[oyarde]

In Close Vote, House Blocks Debate on Yemen War:


Vote was tied to bill cracking down on gray wolves.



So Republicans not only enjoy slaughtering innocent human beings but they also enjoy slaughtering wolves. Tell me again why Republicans are the better party?

Pubs are better because you will have a rifle to shoot the wolf . Dems would expect you to let yourself be eaten by it .

[CCTelander]

Rep. Ro Khanna (D) California can't believe it. yah Ro... it's true.



Congress blocks a resolution to end US military support for Saudis in Yemen

Thank God Republicans still control both houses.

[Swordsmyth]

In Close Vote, House Blocks Debate on Yemen War

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[Swordsmyth]

Thank God Republicans still control both houses.

Giving the House to the Demoncrats will absolutely end the war.

[oyarde]

I see no real reason to bring wolves back unless you first bring back continent wide herds of Buffalo and Elk which is the prey .

[CCTelander]

Giving the House to the Demoncrats will absolutely end the war.

Probably not. But that wasn't the point as you're very well aware. But hey, keep up with the mendacious innuendo against anyone who fails to toe your rigidly partisan party line. It makes it easy for any sincere individuals to identify just exactly what you're about.