U.S. launches antitrust probe into California automaker agreement

[Swordsmyth]

The U.S. Justice Department is investigating whether the decision of four automakers in July to reach a voluntary agreement with California to adopt state emissions standards violated antitrust law, people briefed on the matter said on Friday.

The antitrust division’s chief, Makan Delrahim, sent Aug. 28 letters to the four automakers saying the government was concerned the agreement “may violate federal antitrust laws” but adding it had “reached no conclusions,” according to a document seen by Reuters. The letters asked the automakers to meet with the division “and provide us with more information regarding the formation of that agreement” and automakers’ communications with each other.

More at: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-a...-idUSKCN1VR1WG


No Regulation Without Representation!

[Danke]

[Zippyjuan]

The U.S. Justice Department is investigating whether the decision of four automakers in July to reach a voluntary agreement with California to adopt state emissions standards violated antitrust law, people briefed on the matter said on Friday.

The antitrust division’s chief, Makan Delrahim, sent Aug. 28 letters to the four automakers saying the government was concerned the agreement “may violate federal antitrust laws” but adding it had “reached no conclusions,” according to a document seen by Reuters. The letters asked the automakers to meet with the division “and provide us with more information regarding the formation of that agreement” and automakers’ communications with each other.

More at: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-a...-idUSKCN1VR1WG


No Regulation Without Representation!

Should a state have the right to negotiate an agreement with a company? States are allowed to set their own standards on things as long as they are not less than Federal standards.

[Swordsmyth]

Should a state have the right to negotiate an agreement with a company? States are allowed to set their own standards on things as long as they are not less than Federal standards.

They should not have a right to negotiate an agreement that affects anything beyond their borders.

[Zippyjuan]

They should not have a right to negotiate an agreement that affects anything beyond their borders.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/06/doj-...j-reports.html

If car makers want to produce automobiles which meet the Federal standards but not the California standards and sell them in other states, the agreement does not prohibit them from doing so.

“If you look at the agreement, all it says is that Ford, Honda, BMW and VW will agree to meet certain (California Air Resources Board) standards voluntarily,” he said. “There’s really nothing on the face of the documents that suggest any competitive concern.”

Critics of the Trump administration have viewed the DOJ inquiry into the agreement as another step in Trump’s fight to revoke the state’s powers to set their own standards.

California has been allowed to set its own standards as part of a federal waiver under the Clean Air Act of 1970.

[Swordsmyth]

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/06/doj-...j-reports.html

If car makers want to produce automobiles which meet the Federal standards but not the California standards and sell them in other states, the agreement does not prohibit them from doing so.

It does prohibit them from doing so, that's the whole point of an agreement, they could have sold Kalifornia cars in Kalifornia voluntarily without an agreement.

[ATruepatriot]

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/06/doj-...j-reports.html

If car makers want to produce automobiles which meet the Federal standards but not the California standards and sell them in other states, the agreement does not prohibit them from doing so.

Ca is already in violation of unconstitutional laws because they passed and enforced "Ex post facto" "retroactive" laws concerning their own personal level of CARB regulations. They had no constitutional right to do this. They have tried to do this with firearms too, and it is just about to get knocked down and straightened out. Who the hell do they think they are?

Argument?

[Swordsmyth]

A comment from another site:

Interestingly, California the California Air Resources Board (CARB), the California EPA and numerous California State politicians engaged in a Fascist Conspiracy to Defraud citizens with all the American Auto Industry corporations years ago, by agreeing to make generic industry standard emission control parts illegal to use, buy, sell or import into California in exchange for Automaker agreement to accept the far more rigid California Only Emission Requirements as opposed to the far more efficient 49 State Federal Requirements.

Thus the Automakers got a lock on emission control parts sales and supply, forbidding competitively priced aftermarket parts.

CA State Politicians and Bureaucrats lined their pockets along with US and Foreign Automakers to the tune of Billions of dollars on the backs of poor and middle class automobile owners.

[Zippyjuan]

A comment from another site:

You should include links.

[Zippyjuan]

Ca is already in violation of unconstitutional laws because they passed and enforced "Ex post facto" "retroactive" laws concerning their own personal level of CARB regulations. They had no constitutional right to do this. They have tried to do this with firearms too, and it is just about to get knocked down and straightened out. Who the hell do they think they are?

Argument?

States have no rights in the Constitution? Link to the portion they violated? Congress authorized and the President at the time (Richard Nixon) signed a law allowing them to set their own standards.

California has been allowed to set its own standards as part of a federal waiver under the Clean Air Act of 1970.

[Swordsmyth]

You should include links.

Why?

It's just some random person's opinion, if they had linked to source material I would have included it.

You just want a chance to attack me for which other sites I visit. (not that there is anything wrong with them but you would try to pretend there was)

[Swordsmyth]

States have no rights in the Constitution? Link to the portion they violated? Congress authorized and the President at the time (Richard Nixon) signed a law allowing them to set their own standards.

A1S10:

No State shall...pass any... ex post facto Law

[Zippyjuan]

Article One Section 10: https://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A1Sec10.html

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.

No State shall, without the Consent of the Congress, lay any Imposts or Duties on Imports or Exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it's inspection Laws: and the net Produce of all Duties and Imposts, laid by any State on Imports or Exports, shall be for the Use of the Treasury of the United States; and all such Laws shall be subject to the Revision and Controul of the Congress.

No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.

The emissions standards were not "post facto". Do you even know what that means? The standard would apply to new cars, not to cars already sold in the state. In that case, it would be a "post facto" law.

Ex post facto is a Latin phrase that essentially means "retroactive," or affecting something that's already happened.

[oyarde]

I support california having no cars at all .

[ATruepatriot]

States have no rights in the Constitution? Link to the portion they violated? Congress authorized and the President at the time (Richard Nixon) signed a law allowing them to set their own standards.

Once again... Went through this with Gunny. When each state agreed to join the union they agreed to the Fed Constitution as a contract of rules in the game. Anyone who does not recognize this check and balance is very lacking in the legal knowledge of corporation contracts. The U.S. of America is a CORPORATION, and Every state that joined is bound to this by Commercial and Admiralty law.

Each state agreed to these very few rules of the game so that they can get their "even share" of the taxes collected. Not "playing by the rules" makes you ineligible for fair return compensation.

AS IT SHOULD BE WHEN YOU BREACH CONTRACT...

[Occam's Banana]

I support california having no cars at all .

Me too. Also, I support cars having no California at all.

[ATruepatriot]

Article One Section 10: https://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A1Sec10.html



The emissions standards were not "post facto". Do you even know what that means? The standard would apply to new cars, not to cars already sold in the state. In that case, it would be a "post facto" law.

Oh I know this well. I have owned and operated a truck repair business for over 45 years. The Ca Diesel emissions mandate was absolutely Ex post facto and illegal. It was actually criminal and the other states let them get away with this crap. Someone, maybe a dozen deserve to go to jail over what that very unconstitutional move cost this nation as a whole. It completely wrecked the economy for many years. In fact the industry is still trying to recover from it as they blast their particulate filters and add the Explosive DEF to their system. DEF + Diesel Fuel = $#@!ing explosive napalm.

Oh yeah, geniuses... Now before you reply... You better have your science ready friend...

[TheCount]

You should include links.

Swordsmyth doesn't want you to know that he is an active member of that bastion of liberty called Free Republic.

https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3777041/posts

[ATruepatriot]

Swordsmyth doesn't want you to know that he is an active member of that bastion of liberty called Free Republic.

https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3777041/posts

Nothing to hide... I am too, So are many here you don't know about. AND???

[Swordsmyth]

Swordsmyth doesn't want you to know that he is an active member of that bastion of liberty called Free Republic.

https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3777041/posts

I'm glad to see I live in your head for free.

I don't care now that you wasted the time to "out" me for being a member over there as are several other members here that I know of, I just am not about to do zippy's bidding or make any attempt to smear me easy for trolls.

As I said to zip:
You just want a chance to attack me for which other sites I visit. (not that there is anything wrong with them but you would try to pretend there was)

[ATruepatriot]

Swordsmyth doesn't want you to know that he is an active member of that bastion of liberty called Free Republic.

https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3777041/posts

Looking at the communist Dem Underground for your posts right now... Get back to you about this "false Libertarian" hypocrisy in the morning.

[TheCount]

I'm glad to see I live in your head for free.

Hardly. Don't flatter yourself.

You're just some person on the internet who believes in things that aren't real.

[TheCount]

Looking at the communist Dem Underground for your posts right now... Get back to you about this "false Libertarian" hypocrisy in the morning.

Say hi to NorthCarolinaLiberty for me while you're there.

[UWDude]

Hardly. Don't flatter yourself.

You're just some person on the internet who believes in things that aren't real.

My whipping boy thinks he is brilliant. Even quoting himself in his signature.

[UWDude]

You're just some person on the internet who believes in things that aren't real.

Mind telling me why you believe Wikileaks was a Russian agency working to get Trump in office?

[TheCount]

Mind telling me why you believe Wikileaks was a Russian agency working to get Trump in office?

You'll have to reread your last spanking to find out.

[UWDude]

You'll have to reread your last spanking to find out.

My whipping boy imitates me.
My whipping boy posts his defense mechanism against me in his signature.

I am in his feeble mind.
If he would have just admitted he hated me in the first place, none of this would be happening.

But he doesn't understand, because he can't understand.

[Zippyjuan]

Looking at the communist Dem Underground for your posts right now... Get back to you about this "false Libertarian" hypocrisy in the morning.

I think I may have some there. NorthCarolinaLiberty made me an account there.