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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    "Travelers across the country have endured lengthy lines, some snaking up and down escalators..."

    How does one line up on an escalator?
    I suppose with the "off" switch.
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    I recently spent a few days in NJ. Yes, I know.

    I noticed that at EWR you no longer have to remove your shoes when going through security. So if they are not willing to compromise safety, then it would appear TSA has been lying to us since its inception when it forced us to remove our shoes, citing the dire safety factor, and so on. That, or they are lying to us now and are in fact willing to compromise safety.

    Which is it?
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  5. #33
    Are they screening people before they come into the airport to stand in the cattle line? Looks like a much easier target than trying to get on and hijack a plane.
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  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    I recently spent a few days in NJ. Yes, I know.

    I noticed that at EWR you no longer have to remove your shoes when going through security. So if they are not willing to compromise safety, then it would appear TSA has been lying to us since its inception when it forced us to remove our shoes, citing the dire safety factor, and so on. That, or they are lying to us now and are in fact willing to compromise safety.

    Which is it?
    Yes.

  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by EBounding View Post
    Are they screening people before they come into the airport to stand in the cattle line? Looks like a much easier target than trying to get on and hijack a plane.
    That's what I always thought. Hell, I thought that about the Brussels airport a few years back and looks like the turrist thought the same thing and went and did it.

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  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    We travel pretty light. I got a free pre-check on my last solo trip. It was very convenient. I wouldn't pay for it, though.
    My wife travels often. She says the precheck lines are typically longer and take longer then regular security.

  10. #38
    Congratulations DHS and TSA you have managed to devise an environment for any willing "terrorist" to cause catastrophic damage on any countless number of holidays throughout the year--for "terrorists" no longer have a need to hijack aircraft, they can simply orchestrate a coordinated attack about the endless three-hour TSA screening lines.

    ...And realize that with every single unwarranted, demeaning, groping search; with each insulting, pointless interrogation; with each distortion of fact and reality; with each new ambiguous or ineffectual agency "rule"; with every baited ridicule directed towards those that question your agency's motives or purpose you are in-fact effecting the true motivation and goal of the "terrorists" you assert yourselves to be protecting your travelers from. Ergo, they no longer need to attack us--AMERICANS, they have got you doing that task just fine on their behalf.
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  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by jbauer View Post
    My wife travels often. She says the precheck lines are typically longer and take longer then regular security.
    That has not been my experience
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  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by Weston White View Post
    Congratulations DHS and TSA you have managed to devise an environment for any willing "terrorist" to cause catastrophic damage on any countless number of holidays throughout the year--for "terrorists" no longer have a need to hijack aircraft, they can simply orchestrate a coordinated attack about the endless three-hour TSA screening lines.

    ...And realize that with every single unwarranted, demeaning, groping search; with each insulting, pointless interrogation; with each distortion of fact and reality; with each new ambiguous or ineffectual agency "rule"; with every baited ridicule directed towards those that question your agency's motives or purpose you are in-fact effecting the true motivation and goal of the "terrorists" you assert yourselves to be protecting your travelers from. Ergo, they no longer need to attack us--AMERICANS, they have got you doing that task just fine on their behalf.
    They could also just go to a crowded mall or movie theater.
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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    They could also just go to a crowded mall or movie theater.
    Would not be the same population density and it does not provide the same psychological impact or elicit the same irrationally heightened response in fear.
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  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by Weston White View Post
    Would not be the same population density and it does not provide the same psychological impact or elicit the same irrationally heightened response in fear.





    A lot of public venues have large crowds.
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  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by Weston White View Post
    Would not be the same population density and it does not provide the same psychological impact or elicit the same irrationally heightened response in fear.
    Yep, that.

    Frankly, I'm surprised it hasn't happened already.

  17. #44
    Someone I know just did round trip out of state. From smaller airport. Just a carryon and (1) personal item (another bag). She was "red carded", I hadn't heard of this, which is a random card that allows the passenger to move through without the search. When she got back she was unpacking her bag and felt one of the pockets. Thinking she didn't put anything in there she looked in it. She found a glass smoking bowl and a tiny bit of weed that must have been in there for two years or more. Lol. That might have ended her trip real quick.

  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
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  19. #46
    Probably not related at all, but many people now carry on all their luggage to avoid airline fees for checked bags. Nah, that couldn't be it. Economic incentives and punishments never effect human behavior, and certainly not in ways unanticipated by central planners.
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  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Someone I know just did round trip out of state. From smaller airport. Just a carryon and (1) personal item (another bag). She was "red carded", I hadn't heard of this, which is a random card that allows the passenger to move through without the search. When she got back she was unpacking her bag and felt one of the pockets. Thinking she didn't put anything in there she looked in it. She found a glass smoking bowl and a tiny bit of weed that must have been in there for two years or more. Lol. That might have ended her trip real quick.
    Myself was surprised when my carry on went through the x-ray machine and they curiously looked at it few times. they pulled it off the line and fumbled around then the agent pulled out a loaded .380 magazine much to my surprise. They looked at me I looked at them and thought oh $#@!, they're going to strip search me then who knows what else.

    They asked why it was there and did I have the gun it went to. I explained as I drove to FL I separated my magazine from my firearm going through non-recipratory states and left the magazzine in my suitcase. No I did not have the gun.

    Honestly this is where things got weird. They confiscated the magazine and ammunition but returned my leather mag holder. They ran my drivers license, asked a few questions about small towns in my area that only a local would know. This all took about 5 minutes. I was told I would receive a letter and not to ignore it. I was at my gate and headed home.

    All in all I was surprised and impressed with the experience (not what everyone was expecting I know). Six months later I received a letter from TSA giving me a list of prohibited items and a warning.

    I then applied for pre-check and received it which I was doubtful about qualifying for... go figure
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    What we allow is what will continue.
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  23. #49
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  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Bryan View Post
    I've been talking about this with some people. The leading thought is that they want the long lines to increase sign-ups for the PreCheck program. Long term, you'll be a second class citizen if you don't sign up.

    To sign up for PreCheck you have to be fingerprinted, pay an $85 fee and provide other documentation.
    Never gonna happen with me. I still make them pat me down whenever I fly, I also make sure to be at the airport at least 2 hrs before my flight and this is even with national flights

  25. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Never gonna happen with me. I still make them pat me down whenever I fly, I also make sure to be at the airport at least 2 hrs before my flight and this is even with national flights
    Illusion of Convenience where being "unregistered" and "free" is very inconvenient.
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    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Our central bank is not privately owned.

  26. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    doing the jobs real Americans won't do.
    While passing through security the other day, I heard someone thank the TSA employee for doing what he does.

    I meant to find that guy and thank him for thanking the TSA agent but I couldnt find him.
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  27. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    While passing through security the other day, I heard someone thank the TSA employee for doing what he does.

    I meant to find that guy and thank him for thanking the TSA agent but I couldnt find him.
    It might have been a display of sarcasm.

  28. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by sam1952 View Post
    Myself was surprised when my carry on went through the x-ray machine and they curiously looked at it few times. they pulled it off the line and fumbled around then the agent pulled out a loaded .380 magazine much to my surprise. They looked at me I looked at them and thought oh $#@!, they're going to strip search me then who knows what else.

    They asked why it was there and did I have the gun it went to. I explained as I drove to FL I separated my magazine from my firearm going through non-recipratory states and left the magazzine in my suitcase. No I did not have the gun.

    Honestly this is where things got weird. They confiscated the magazine and ammunition but returned my leather mag holder. They ran my drivers license, asked a few questions about small towns in my area that only a local would know. This all took about 5 minutes. I was told I would receive a letter and not to ignore it. I was at my gate and headed home.

    All in all I was surprised and impressed with the experience (not what everyone was expecting I know). Six months later I received a letter from TSA giving me a list of prohibited items and a warning.

    I then applied for pre-check and received it which I was doubtful about qualifying for... go figure
    What a nice story! I hope you sent them a thank you letter, for the pleasant experience they were able to provide.
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  29. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    What a nice story! I hope you sent them a thank you letter, for the pleasant experience they were able to provide.
    They are on my Christmas card list
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  30. #56
    “Our job is to keep the American people safe,” Johnson told reporters at a news conference. “We’re not going to compromise aviation security in the face of this.”

    Because the TSA has thwarted so many attacks in the past decade right??



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  32. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by ghengis86 View Post
    That's what I always thought. Hell, I thought that about the Brussels airport a few years back and looks like the turrist thought the same thing and went and did it.
    Some of the asian airports I have visited you cant even get into the airport without a valid boarding pass and passport, and at the very entrance there is an xray machine just to get into the airport.

    In terms of keeping travelers and planes safe, that seemed to be a more effective measure...

  33. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    "Travelers across the country have endured lengthy lines, some snaking up and down escalators..."

    How does one line up on an escalator?


    While after several trips to Japan I will agree with the sentiment they are well known for their efficiency and good customer service, pretty top notch overall, however, my very first trip to Japan was a rather scary moment. After deplaning and walking around for a bit the 200+ passengers followed the signs up the escalator. At the TOP of the escalator less than 10 feet away was a gate. The metal shutter was not open so people stood in front of it and waited......within a few seconds the entire top of the escalator was full of people waiting for the gate to open, but there's another 100 people being brought up the escalator. It got pretty crazy for a few seconds as people starting piling into each other and there was no way to stop it as you'd look below and there's still 100 people coming up the escalator. Thankfully the gate opened before it became true carnage of bodies piling on, people being tossed off the escalator or falling down. It looked like it was about to be a massive train wreck.


    Here I am halfway up the escalator and I see people slamming into each other at the top, people starting to scream as they can't stop themselves from going forward while they see a wall a people in front of them. There's no more room at the top but tons of people keep piling on. WOW, that was a freaky experience. Almost death by escalator. Felt like Lemmings falling off a cliff.

  34. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by sam1952 View Post
    They are on my Christmas card list
    You do know that Christmas is now a terrorism word right?

  35. #60
    No, I didn't know that. Learn something new every day. Damn, i'm flying tomorrow too. Hope I didn't loose my pre-check.

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