Rand just voted for the USMCA

[devil21]

Let's see what the man himself said about it, shall we?

https://needtoknow.news/2018/10/ron-...nment-control/

[dannno]

If one follows and listens to Ron Paul they should already know this too.

Unfortunately there are a lot of people who only listen to what they want to hear, and who have very poor negotiation and strategy skills.

Ron Paul was against NAFTA because it was worse than what we had before NAFTA. If it were his choice, he would employ free trade. But as a legislator, his goal was to increase freedoms as much as possible.

If USMCA improves our position over the whole on our current agreements, then he would vote for it.

[enhanced_deficit]

Better than 99% of Senate still but ever since GOPA wing neocons funded politicians came to power, some of Rand's stances have been puzzling, doesn't seem like quite himself lately.
Outreach can be productive sometimes but maybe need to stop golfing with GOPA wing neocons puppets/Dems donors until they start behaving in an America-First fashion.
He should make a call again to end all foreign aid immediately, that might wake up some of the global socialism wing of swamp.

[dannno]

Let's see what the man himself said about it, shall we?

https://needtoknow.news/2018/10/ron-...nment-control/

This video is over a year old, but can you point out where in the video he says that if the new agreements is better than the old agreements on the whole, he still wouldn't vote for it?

Because I have $1,000 on it not being in there.

[devil21]

This video is over a year old.

Can you point out where in the video he says that if the new agreements is better than the old agreements on the whole, he still wouldn't vote for it?

Because I have $1,000 on it not being in there.

What? You didn't even watch it. He spends the entire video talking about how it grows government, regulations, taxes, etc.

[dannno]

No one is buying what you're selling. Just stop.

Uh, ya, everybody who is intelligent knows exactly what I'm saying.

I'm not sure what difficulty you are having.

Are you saying that if there was a bill that came up that cut taxes and spending by 50%, Ron Paul wouldn't vote for it, because he is against all those taxes and spending? Because that is just wrong and retarded. Of course he would vote for it.

[dannno]

What? You didn't even watch it. He spends the entire video talking about how it grows government, regulations, taxes, etc.

He had the USMCA bill a year and a half ago? Is Ron Paul a time traveler now?

[dannno]

What? You didn't even watch it. He spends the entire video talking about how it grows government, regulations, taxes, etc.

I'm really not sure why you have such a hard time answering specific questions. I'm going to put a question in bold, below, and I would like you to answer that specific question, because I keep saying it and you keep dodging it.

Can you point out where in the video he says that if the new agreements is better than the old agreements on the whole, he still wouldn't vote for it?


Because I'm pretty sure the entire video presumes that the bill is worse. But the bill wasn't finished yet. And Rand hadn't voted 'Yes' on it yet.

[devil21]

Uh, ya, everybody who is intelligent knows exactly what I'm saying.

I'm not sure what difficulty you are having.

Are you saying that if there was a bill that came up that cut taxes and spending by 50%, Ron Paul wouldn't vote for it, because he is against all those taxes and spending? Because that is just wrong and retarded. Of course he would vote for it.

Ron's thoughts on USMCA are right there in the video yet you're trying to gaslight me into not believing what he says with his own mouth? Weak game, son. Take that psyop crap over to Breitbart. It doesn't work here.

Can you point out where in the video he says that if the new agreements is better than the old agreements on the whole, he still wouldn't vote for it?

It's Ron Paul. "Dr. No"
Everyone knows he would never vote for USMCA and he explains why in the video. It's everything he was ever against.

I'd think a 2007 join date would know that....but you're not the person that registered that account, just some shill manning the account, so I don't expect you to recognize that.

[dannno]

Ron's thoughts on USMCA are right there in the video yet you're trying to gaslight me into not believing what he says with his own mouth? Weak game, son. Take that psyop crap over to Breitbart. It doesn't work here.

Again, the bill didn't exist in its final form when he made the video you posted, it is from 2018. It is currently 2020.

[devil21]

Ron Paul never would have voted for USMCA. He voted against awarding medals at taxpayer expense but he'd vote for NAFTA on steroids with UN treaties added? Get $#@!in' real.

I don't care what one's opinion of the USMCA is in particular, but such blatant misrepresentations of the facts and Ron's positions is ridiculous.

[tebowlives]

Unfortunately there are a lot of people who only listen to what they want to hear, and who have very poor negotiation and strategy skills.

Ron Paul was against NAFTA because it was worse than what we had before NAFTA. If it were his choice, he would employ free trade. But as a legislator, his goal was to increase freedoms as much as possible.

If USMCA improves our position over the whole on our current agreements, then he would vote for it.

lol I know some people are like that.

I just said the same thing earlier about a crap sandwich.

[tebowlives]

I just think the man is a watered down, counterfeit version of Ron. Last week he said the US military liberated Iraq 3x, like what? You will never hear Ron say that sort of rubbish. Don't get me wrong, Rand is OK but he is a party man. Had he been replaced with Ron, this site would never had existed.

Because his votes don't matter?

[tebowlives]

No one is buying what you're selling. Just stop.

Of course he probably would have. He has said before he'd vote for a bad bill that replaces worse bill. He specifically mentioned taxes on this.

So if the current tax is 10% and a new bill lowers it to 8% you think he'll vote against that?

[juleswin]

Because his votes don't matter?

Technically no one vote matters. They can also say that it would have passed without their vote and that statement would be true.

Btw, Elizabeth Warren also voted for the bill

[Swordsmyth]

And THAT is exactly what you always have been and are counting on.........

I am greatly distressed by it.
Just as I am to find out that he has been a wolf in sheep'd clothing all along.

[dannno]

Ron Paul never would have voted for USMCA. He voted against awarding medals at taxpayer expense but he'd vote for NAFTA on steroids with UN treaties added? Get $#@!in' real.

I don't care what one's opinion of the USMCA is in particular, but such blatant misrepresentations of the facts and Ron's positions is ridiculous.

Uh, see, the problem is that is all your opinion and it isn't arguing against anything I've actually said.

I said that if the USMCA was a better than the previous agreements, and it replaces those agreements and has a sunset clause, Ron Paul would definitely vote for it.

You are trying to tell me that USMCA is worse than the previous agreements that it replaces, which is great to hear your opinion, but we don't know if it is true and it changes nothing with regards to whether Ron Paul would vote for the USMCA if it were better than the other agreements it replaces.

My argument is that Rand Paul voted for it because it is better than the previous agreements that it replaced and it has a sunset clause. I trust Rand more than I trust random people on the internet.

You can yell and scream and talk about how bad Ron Paul said it would be 2 years ago based on his expectations were of the bill, but that's about as far as your argument goes. It could be correct, but it's not convincing.

[tebowlives]

Technically no one vote matters. They can also say that it would have passed without their vote and that statement would be true.

Btw, Elizabeth Warren also voted for the bill

Good for Warren for getting something right.

Asking for a $4000 raise at work but only offered $2000. Should it be turned down? Of course not. When given 2 choices you take the better choice.

[devil21]

Uh, see, the problem is that is all your opinion and it isn't arguing against anything I've actually said.

I said that if the USMCA was a better than the previous agreements, and it replaces those agreements and has a sunset clause, Ron Paul would definitely vote for it.

You are trying to tell me that USMCA is worse than the previous agreements that it replaces, which is great to hear your opinion, but we don't know if it is true and it changes nothing with regards to whether Ron Paul would vote for the USMCA if it were better than the other agreements it replaces.

My argument is that Rand Paul voted for it because it is better than the previous agreements that it replaced and it has a sunset clause. I trust Rand more than I trust random people on the internet.

You can yell and scream and talk about how bad Ron Paul said it would be 2 years ago based on his expectations were of the bill, but that's about as far as your argument goes. It could be correct, but it's not convincing.

Just like yours isn't either, since there's no indication that it does anything better than NAFTA did plus it adds in lots of UN favored goodies that Ron would never support. If you're trying to convince that Ron would vote to basically hand over what's left of sovereignty to the UN in exchange for a 2% tax reduction, well, there's no debating the topic with you.

[dannno]

Just like yours isn't either, since there's no indication that it does anything better than NAFTA did plus it adds in lots of UN favored goodies that Ron would never support. If you're trying to convince that Ron would vote to basically hand over what's left of sovereignty to the UN in exchange for a 2% tax reduction, well, there's no debating the topic with you.

Uh, ya there is, Rand voted for it.

Once again, I trust Rand more than I trust random dude on internet about this kinda stuff.

[PAF]

Uh, ya there is, Rand voted for it.

Once again, I trust Rand more than I trust random dude on internet about this kinda stuff.

Rand voted for it so as not to be the only person not to, knowing that it would lose his seat by the trumpalumpa-neo-tards. How about reading the thing, all of the words, sentences and paragraphs, like I did, so that you know first hand how atrocious it really is.

Trump, your savior, the NY left-tard that he is, sold out on our sovereignty. There ain’t no mincing words about it.

People wonder why every election this country goes down the sh|tter each and every time. Like this government actually legislates for liberty, freedom and fiscal responsibility... people never grow up, or learn.

Here, this might help:

https://ustr.gov/trade-agreements/fr...eement-between

https://publiushuldah.wordpress.com/...ting-the-dots/

[dannno]

Rand voted for it so as not to be the only person not to, knowing that it would lose his seat by the trumpalumpa-neo-tards.

Your premise is completely preposterous. It would have passed anyway and nobody would have cared.

Nice try, though.

[Swordsmyth]

Your premise is completely preposterous. It would have passed anyway and nobody would have cared.

Nice try, though.

And there were other NO votes so Rand wouldn't have been the only NO vote.

[kcchiefs6465]

Uh, ya there is, Rand voted for it.

Once again, I trust Rand more than I trust random dude on internet about this kinda stuff.

Rand Paul is wrong on this (in fact, Rand Paul specifically wrote a book [Government Bullies], if not two books [The Case Against Socialism], on why this is the wrong vote).

Why, specifically, do you feel this is better than NAFTA?

[PAF]

And there were other NO votes so Rand wouldn't have been the only NO vote.

Rand has been in the spotlight. Had he voted No, he would have been crucified next election, and you know it. “Republicans” already tell me they do not think highly of Rand.

Anyway, whatever. Statist.

[Swordsmyth]

Rand has been in the spotlight. Had he voted No, he would have been crucified next election, and you know it. “Republicans” already tell me they do not think highly of Rand.

Anyway, whatever. Statist.

His next election is years away and everyone would have forgotten because it passed anyway.
If he even runs again.

[Origanalist]

Rand Paul is wrong on this (in fact, Rand Paul specifically wrote a book [Government Bullies], if not two books [The Case Against Socialism], on why this is the wrong vote).

Why, specifically, do you feel this is better than NAFTA?

Because Trump says it is, duh.

[dannno]

Rand Paul is wrong on this (in fact, Rand Paul specifically wrote a book [Government Bullies], if not two books [The Case Against Socialism], on why this is the wrong vote).

Why, specifically, do you feel this is better than NAFTA?

I feel specifically it is better than NAFTA because Rand Paul, who wrote two books on the topic voted for it when he didn't have to.

I don't doubt there are things in USMCA that are worse than NAFTA + all the other agreements that USMCA abolished, but if on the whole it is better, then it is better.

I'm pretty sure Rand weighed the pro's and cons before voting.

[kcchiefs6465]

I feel specifically it is better than NAFTA because Rand Paul, who wrote two books on the topic voted for it when he didn't have to.

I don't doubt there are things in USMCA that are worse than NAFTA + all the other agreements that USMCA abolished, but if on the whole it is better, then it is better.

I'm pretty sure Rand weighed the pro's and cons before voting.

The pros and cons weighed appear to be tilted in favor of political expediency and less towards economic principles of markets.

Some say its many chapters are practically if not virtually copied and pasted from TPP.

What say you?

[Origanalist]

I feel specifically it is better than NAFTA because Rand Paul, who wrote two books on the topic voted for it when he didn't have to.

I don't doubt there are things in USMCA that are worse than NAFTA + all the other agreements that USMCA abolished, but if on the whole it is better, then it is better.

I'm pretty sure Rand weighed the pro's and cons before voting.

Weak ass appeal to authority.

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