The Orange Car Guy

[Occam's Banana]

"All or nothing" libertarians never get it all (because that isn't reasonably possible) and so they are only happy when they get nothing, getting something actually makes them mad.

Who is mad at what?

Speaking for myself, I am not in any way "mad" that Trump is deregulating some things. That's plenty nice, as far as it goes, and I have not in any way said otherwise (and I defy anyone who thinks I have to show me where). I just see no reason to think that much if any of it is going to "stick" beyond his administration - certainly not in any systemic way. When Trump is gone, the Executive Juggernaut is going to keep right on rolling, just like before - because nothing has really changed.

And without the "all or nothing" libertarians pointing out the elephant in the room and the nakedness of the Emperor, the "moderate pragmatic" libertarians will become the "extremists" everyone else likes to sneer at and dismiss. Without them, the so-called "Overton Window" moves even further away from liberty. As Ron Paul pointed out (without having to sneer at anyone), "Purism is practical" ...

[Swordsmyth]

Who is mad at what?

Speaking for myself, I am not in any way "mad" that Trump is deregulating some things. That's plenty nice, as far as it goes, and I have not in any way said otherwise (and I defy anyone who thinks I have to show me where). I just see no reason to think that much if any of it is going to "stick" beyond his administration - certainly not in any systemic way.

And without the "all or nothing" libertarians pointing out the elephant in the room and the nakedness of the Emperor, the "moderate pragmatic" libertarians will become the "extremists" everyone else likes to sneer at and dismiss. Without them, the so-called "Overton Window" moves even further away from liberty. As Ron Paul pointed out (without having to sneer at anyone), "Purism is practical" ...

I didn't say you were one of the "all or nothing" libertarians, you have so far been more practical even if you are on the pessimistic side.
Keeping an eye on perfection is important but you have to be able to take small victories and work with the imperfect to get there.

[Occam's Banana]

I didn't say you were one of the "all or nothing" libertarians, you have so far been more practical even if you are on the pessimistic side.
Keeping an eye on perfection is important but you have to be able to take small victories and work with the imperfect to get there.

Actually, I am probably more of a fatalist than a pessimist - what will be will be, whether for better or worse (or better and worse), and we all have our roles to play, however minor ... (and if my own role is to plop turds into punchbowls, then so be it ...)

But I am certainly not a utopian. Perfection is never an option. I'd be happy just with something that signified or embodied some kind of change for the better that is substantive rather than ephemeral. Sadly, Trump's various deregulations, as nice as they might be, are of the latter kind, not the former.

[Origanalist]

"All or nothing" libertarians never get it all (because that isn't reasonably possible) and so they are only happy when they get nothing, getting something actually makes them mad.

Ya.

[Anti Federalist]

Actually, I am probably more of a fatalist than a pessimist - what will be will be, whether for better or worse (or better and worse), and we all have our roles to play, however minor ... (and if my own role is to plop turds into punchbowls, then so be it ...)

But I am certainly not a utopian. Perfection is never an option. I'd be happy just with something that signified or embodied some kind of change for the better that is substantive rather than ephemeral. Sadly, Trump's various deregulations, as nice as they might be, are of the latter kind, not the former.

You read my mind...

Unless the premise and SCROTUS rulings enabling the regulatory state are reversed, by whatever means necessary, President Sanders will just undo everything, and then make it worse.

[Origanalist]

Actually, I am probably more of a fatalist than a pessimist - what will be will be, whether for better or worse (or better and worse), and we all have our roles to play, however minor ... (and if my own role is to plop turds into punchbowls, then so be it ...)

But I am certainly not a utopian. Perfection is never an option. I'd be happy just with something that signified or embodied some kind of change for the better that is substantive rather than ephemeral. Sadly, Trump's various deregulations, as nice as they might be, are of the latter kind, not the former.

It's just more of the same GOP head fakes we've been seeing since Raygun.

[Anti Federalist]

"All or nothing" libertarians never get it all (because that isn't reasonably possible) and so they are only happy when they get nothing, getting something actually makes them mad.

All I, and OB, and others are saying is that the gains are clearly temporary.

The next Bolshevik to come along will reverse them all.

So while applaud Trump for taking what steps he can to reverse these fatwas, it would be nice if he focused for a minute or two, and took it to the next level and attacked the system that "allows" these fatwas and regulatory ayatollahs to rule our lives.

[Swordsmyth]

All I, and OB, and others are saying is that the gains are clearly temporary.

The next Bolshevik to come along will reverse them all.

So while applaud Trump for taking what steps he can to reverse these fatwas, it would be nice if he focused for a minute or two, and took it to the next level and attacked the system that "allows" these fatwas and regulatory ayatollahs to rule our lives.

You are also not among the "all or nothing libertarians" just like I said about OB.

[Origanalist]

You are also not among the "all or nothing libertarians" just like I said about OB.

Where are these "all or nothing libertarians"? Show examples.

[kcchiefs6465]

You are also not among the "all or nothing libertarians" just like I said about OB.

Where are these "all or nothing libertarians"? Show examples.

It is I, the all or nothing libertarian.

$#@! Trump.

[Origanalist]

It is I, the all or nothing libertarian.

$#@! Trump.

Well' it's good of you to come forward, but I would have preferred examples by the one making the claim.

[kcchiefs6465]

Well' it's good of you to come forward, but I would have preferred examples by the one making the claim.

Who he is referring to is clear. The Utopian

That is, anyone who isn't of a lesser of two evils mindset or does not justify the many travesties based upon other residual and/or temporary gains.

[kcchiefs6465]

[kcchiefs6465]

How some people read to me:

[kcchiefs6465]

[Occam's Banana]

All I, and OB, and others are saying is that the gains are clearly temporary.

The next Bolshevik to come along will reverse them all.

So while applaud Trump for taking what steps he can to reverse these fatwas, it would be nice if he focused for a minute or two, and took it to the next level and attacked the system that "allows" these fatwas and regulatory ayatollahs to rule our lives.

Precisely and exactly THIS ^^^

[Anti Federalist]

You are also not among the "all or nothing libertarians" just like I said about OB.

While Trump has momentum on this issue: somebody whisper in his ear about J. W. Hampton, Jr. & Co. v. United States.

Get him to fire up these huge crowds at his rallies towards overturning this decision.

That's when all the trouble started.

That's the SCROTUS decision that allows OSHA and EPA and NTSB and BSSE and FDA and a hundred other alphabet soup agencies that rule us.

[Swordsmyth]

While Trump has momentum on this issue: somebody whisper in his ear about J. W. Hampton, Jr. & Co. v. United States.

Get him to fire up these huge crowds at his rallies towards overturning this decision.

That's when all the trouble started.

That's the SCROTUS decision that allows OSHA and EPA and NTSB and BSSE and FDA and a hundred other alphabet soup agencies that rule us.

We will probably need at least one more Trump pick to get that kind of action out of SCOTUS, Roberts would sell us out in an eyeblink.

Hopefully Ginsburg will be gone in a few months and Trump will give us another Gorsuch.

[Stratovarious]

"All or nothing" libertarians never get it all (because that isn't reasonably possible) and so they are only happy when they get nothing, getting something actually makes them mad.

Who are these 'all or none libertarians' that are getting mad?

[Stratovarious]

All I, and OB, and others are saying is that the gains are clearly temporary.

The next Bolshevik to come along will reverse them all.

So while applaud Trump for taking what steps he can to reverse these fatwas, it would be nice if he focused for a minute or two, and took it to the next level and attacked the system that "allows" these fatwas and regulatory ayatollahs to rule our lives.

Temporary indeed, and take an issue like Obama Care, it wasn't repealed it was modded, the 'machine' was
left alive, the beast, only to be re modded at the whim of the next Socialist Traitor that takes the helm, I
don't see anything changing in the next term even with Trump, his track record has me 'giving up' on trusting
anyone. Real change is not happening, I think you know what 'real change' would entail.

Ron Paul was our only hope out there, no one else has the balls or integrity to use the Constitution
as their guide, and prosecute the ones at the top that have done the most damage, the elite that
are not held to any standards of justice.

[Stratovarious]

While Trump has momentum on this issue: somebody whisper in his ear about J. W. Hampton, Jr. & Co. v. United States.

Get him to fire up these huge crowds at his rallies towards overturning this decision.

That's when all the trouble started.

That's the SCROTUS decision that allows OSHA and EPA and NTSB and BSSE and FDA and a hundred other alphabet soup agencies that rule us.

....and allowing all these Federal Alphabet agencies to write their on laws as if they were the legislative branch......

[Swordsmyth]

Who are these 'all or none libertarians' that are getting mad?

You can see them here on RPF, they are the ones who jump in to say "Orange Man BAD!" in the threads about him doing something good.
I'm not talking about the reasonable ones like OB and AF like I said but the ones who never admit for a moment that Trump should get any credit for anything.

[Swordsmyth]

Temporary indeed, and take an issue like Obama Care, it wasn't repealed it was modded, the 'machine' was
left alive, the beast, only to be re modded at the whim of the next Socialist Traitor that takes the helm, I
don't see anything changing in the next term even with Trump, his track record has me 'giving up' on trusting
anyone. Real change is not happening, I think you know what 'real change' would entail.

Ron Paul was our only hope out there, no one else has the balls or integrity to use the Constitution
as their guide, and prosecute the ones at the top that have done the most damage, the elite that
are not held to any standards of justice.

Trump's DoJ is helping to get O'Bummercare declared unconstitutional.

It will be gone in spite of McPain.

[Stratovarious]

You can see them here on RPF, they are the ones who jump in to say "Orange Man BAD!" in the threads about him doing something good.
I'm not talking about the reasonable ones like OB and AF like I said but the ones who never admit for a moment that Trump should get any credit for anything.

I actually thought all those posts were sarcasm, I didn't really analyze any of them , I just
assumed they weren't serious.

[Swordsmyth]

I actually thought all those posts were sarcasm, I didn't really analyze any of them , I just
assumed they weren't serious.

I don't mean the actual words "Orange Man Bad", those are usually sarcasm.

[Stratovarious]

Trump's DoJ is helping to get O'Bummercare declared unconstitutional.

It will be gone in spite of McPain.

I think you get the gist of where I'm at by now, I've watched and supported Judicial Watch,
Trump , the old Napolitano , and so many others, oh yea, and Trey Gowdy , wafj .......

I'm done with all these pretenders, nothing has happened , the corrupt are getting stronger
the alphabet agencies are squeezing tighter.

With all the great discoveries, with Judicial Watch again........... wtf over ? Not a fkg thing has
actually happened , nothing has been fixed, grrr, I'm so sick of it, and Hillary forget it....

[Stratovarious]

I don't mean the actual words "Orange Man Bad", those are usually sarcasm.

Oh, right, I got it....

[Occam's Banana]

All the whip-wielding regulators and rule-makers will get a "do over" once Trump is no longer the chief overseer of the Executive plantation.

Trump hasn't done anything to address the root of the problem (which is overweening government authority over ... well, pretty much everything).

He probably couldn't succeed even if he tried. No one could. Some things just get broken beyond any possibility of repair.

So enjoy it while you can. It's not going to last.

I'd be happy just with something that signified or embodied some kind of change for the better that is substantive rather than ephemeral. Sadly, Trump's various deregulations, as nice as they might be, are of the latter kind, not the former.

Punch bowl, meet turd. Turd, punch bowl ...

(And as for the whole car thing - the subject of the thread OP - well, we all know how that's been going ...)

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