Looks like the Kung Flu doesn't care about vaccines...
Jer. 11:18-20. "The Kingdom of God has come upon you." -- Matthew 12:28
Jer. 11:18-20. "The Kingdom of God has come upon you." -- Matthew 12:28
Agnosticism is not disbelief. It's a lack of being able to believe and keeping the truth in the middle to be decided whenever the time comes.Originally Posted by Anti Federalist
"I am a bird"
Jer. 11:18-20. "The Kingdom of God has come upon you." -- Matthew 12:28
Sure, but the real question is motive. The fact is that some who do not "believe" are really just Satanists in disguise. Secretly, they are actively opposed to the truth, to God, and to the well-being of all mankind. Make no mistake, these people exist, and that should not be so difficult to believe in the present era of Clown World. If you do not feel that you have enough evidence to believe in God, and you are reserving judgment on the basis of a commitment to truth, there is an argument that this is, in fact, faith because Truth and faith are never in disagreement. It's just faith that has not yet blossomed. All who truly love the Truth will inevitably converge on it. And he is a person, not a thing. His name is Jesus. So I encourage all who doubt to keep seeking, as the disciple Thomas did. He could not believe until he saw the wounds for himself. Jesus did not rebuke Thomas, he just showed him the wounds:
There is a blessing to believe even without evidence. Seek the blessing... the evidence is inevitable... Revelation. 1:7Now Thomas (also known as Didymus), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!”
But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.”
A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”
Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”
Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” (John 20:24-29)
Jer. 11:18-20. "The Kingdom of God has come upon you." -- Matthew 12:28
Sure, I do not disagree with you. I've met these people, many inhabit the world around me. These are people I do not even try to have discussions with because they are not willing to listen. I don't know if I would call it Satanism but from the perspective of a religious person I can understand you do. I've used Sodom and Gomorrah a few times on this forum to illustrate how we go to $#@! as humanity, I've actually read the bible and I see many things in there that are true.
This is me, I respect what people believe irregardless, even if they think I'm a sinner, a heathen or whatever. To me religion should not be about the stories or the belief at all, it should be about the inherent morality. A prophet might as well be a philosopher, it's just a name you give to a messenger. As you say very accurately, it's about the intent. I know the 10 commandments by heart, not because I've ever been to church or had a religious upbringing, it's because it naturally feels right to me.If you do not feel that you have enough evidence to believe in God, and you are reserving judgment on the basis of a commitment to truth, there is an argument that this is, in fact, faith because Truth and faith are never in disagreement. It's just faith that has not yet blossomed.
And in terms of God, whether He exists or not, I always thought He would have as much respect for someone that lives a good moral life but honestly cannot believe than some fool who blindly believes but hardly follows the truth that came from that belief. You may disagree, I try to help people and generally sleep very well.
//Edit; I've only realised after posting that this may not be the right forum for this discussion... Feel free to move if better. My apologies.
Ok I'll add one meme for illustration purposes. (It's not a bribe)
Behold, the issue I have with atheism. If you claim religious people do not know God exists, you also cannot prove the opposite.
Furthermore, I hate the 'hate' they seem to possess towards religious people, I don't understand why.
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"I am a bird"
Yeah I don't care for this argument against faith.
Behold, the issue I have with atheism. If you claim religious people do not know God exists, you also cannot prove the opposite.
Furthermore, I hate the 'hate' they seem to possess towards religious people, I don't understand why.
As a believer, I believe that God revealed himself to Abraham and Moses, sent his Spirit into the world in the form of a man to die and be resurrected to defeat sin and death for all of those who do believe, and that those moments were recorded by his disciples and passed down through time from generation to generation to today. I have nothing to offer to a non-believer in terms of proof, and I feel exactly zero compunction to be able to do so. I can bear witness through my faithfulness, and through my deeds, and you (the royal 'you', mind you) may be so inspired to seek out the God Whom I follow, and/or God himself may reach out to you in a way that stuns and moves your soul. I've had numerous experiences in my life even as a believer where I knew He was moving in my life... in ways that I truly believe are miraculous. I believe these things with conviction, and I don't need any external validation to continue believing them. You could literally put a gun to my head and demand that I provide proof of God and I wouldn't have it to give to you, and I also wouldn't care if you pulled the trigger. My days in the world are numbered and when they end, they end. Not saying I'm looking forward to it, but at the same time, I'm not saying I'm not, either.
ETA: Just to be clear, I'm not addressing you specifically with this post... I'm addressing the sentiment behind the meme.
Last edited by A Son of Liberty; 02-09-2023 at 01:35 PM.
Can't prove a negative. Doesn't make the positive any less silly. I can say without a doubt, with 100% certainty, that there isn't a six-eared magical invisible clown hiding in my closet. I can't prove it, but do I really need to...
If having faith makes them happy, more power to them.Furthermore, I hate the 'hate' they seem to possess towards religious people, I don't understand why.
- Kim KardashianIt's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
Donald Trump / Crenshaw 2024!!!!
My pronouns are he/him/his
Jer. 11:18-20. "The Kingdom of God has come upon you." -- Matthew 12:28
I think the only sticking-point with the Gospel is that it does claim that, indeed, Jesus is King, not as a merely theological point, but really and materially. For some libertarians, I realize this can be a point of contention because we want to say that we, ourselves, are the ultimate authority over ourselves ... "I am my own king, and no one else." The proclamation of the Gospel is that Jesus is king, even over us hardboiled libertarians, but he is the only king that sets us free to do what is right. This is why he is called the prince of peace (Isaiah 9:6), as opposed to the princes of war that we know oh-so-well, which he will destroy at the end of all things (Revelation 19:21).This is me, I respect what people believe irregardless, even if they think I'm a sinner, a heathen or whatever. To me religion should not be about the stories or the belief at all, it should be about the inherent morality. A prophet might as well be a philosopher, it's just a name you give to a messenger. As you say very accurately, it's about the intent. I know the 10 commandments by heart, not because I've ever been to church or had a religious upbringing, it's because it naturally feels right to me.
And in terms of God, whether He exists or not, I always thought He would have as much respect for someone that lives a good moral life but honestly cannot believe than some fool who blindly believes but hardly follows the truth that came from that belief. You may disagree, I try to help people and generally sleep very well.
Oops... same here...//Edit; I've only realised after posting that this may not be the right forum for this discussion... Feel free to move if better. My apologies.
Well, hate itself solves nothing, but we must certainly oppose those who oppose justice, if we indeed love justice. And hostility against the pious is never very far removed from injustice...Ok I'll add one meme for illustration purposes. (It's not a bribe)
Behold, the issue I have with atheism. If you claim religious people do not know God exists, you also cannot prove the opposite.
Furthermore, I hate the 'hate' they seem to possess towards religious people, I don't understand why.
Do not take advantage of the widow or the fatherless. If you do and they cry out to me, I will certainly hear their cry. My anger will be aroused, and I will kill you with the sword; your wives will become widows and your children fatherless. (Exodus 22:22-24)
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Jer. 11:18-20. "The Kingdom of God has come upon you." -- Matthew 12:28
You crazy misfits are about the closest thing I have to a pack.
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“Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.” - Arnold Toynbee
Last edited by Anti Federalist; 02-10-2023 at 11:12 AM.
“Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.” - Arnold Toynbee
Jer. 11:18-20. "The Kingdom of God has come upon you." -- Matthew 12:28
Jer. 11:18-20. "The Kingdom of God has come upon you." -- Matthew 12:28
“Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.” - Arnold Toynbee
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
“Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.” - Arnold Toynbee
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