View Poll Results: While driving, you see a clearly impaired driver driving recklessly on the road. What do u do?

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  • Do nothing

    11 55.00%
  • Call the police

    4 20.00%
  • Take responsibility and try and stop the driver

    2 10.00%
  • Call the police only after option 3 fails.

    2 10.00%
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Thread: When is it OK to call the police

  1. #1

    When is it OK to call the police

    While coming home with the kids on a Friday night after seeing a family movie. You come up an impaired driver driving reckless on the public road. He is speeding, he is not maintaining his lanes and he is clearly without a doubt endangering the lives of other drivers. What do you do?

    - Do nothing
    - Call the police
    - Take responsibility and try and stop the driver yourself.



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  3. #2
    Do nothing.
    I live in Virginia where this is an everyday occurrence.
    Cops are everywyhere. Speeding tickets are huge revenue generators around this place, unfortunately.

  4. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by PursuePeace View Post
    Do nothing.
    I live in Virginia where this is an everyday occurrence.
    Cops are everywyhere. Speeding tickets are huge revenue generators around this place, unfortunately.
    When you say cops are everywhere, is that you saying that there is no need calling the cops because the cops would stop him anyway?
    Last edited by juleswin; 02-06-2017 at 10:58 AM.

  5. #4
    - accept the fact that other people live a religious get head while driving drunk lifestyle and learn to stay out of their way if that offends you
    - spend more time doing productive things within walking distance of where you wake if muh roads are too sketchy
    - move to a community where drinking and driving is less prevalent
    - travel during times of day when drinking and driving is less prevalent
    - roll down window and say "$#@! you $#@!, sober up"
    - follow dude to destination and hand him a come to jesus pamphlet

    you have lots of options really

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

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  6. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    - accept the fact that other people live a religious get head while driving drunk lifestyle and learn to stay out of their way if that offends you
    - spend more time doing productive things within walking distance of where you wake if muh roads are too sketchy
    - move to a community where drinking and driving is less prevalent
    - travel during times of day when drinking and driving is less prevalent
    - roll down window and say "$#@! you $#@!, sober up"
    - follow dude to destination and hand him a come to jesus pamphlet

    you have lots of options really
    - What? you already IDed the drunk driver and the calling for the police is for other drivers not you. This is a selfless act on your behalf
    - So give in and let the few bad actors in society dictate the way you live your life?
    - More of this defeatist attitude where grown men run like little girls from our problems.
    - See above bullet point.
    - What is the point of doing that?
    - I hope when you say "give him a come to Jesus pamphlet" it is a euphemism for say giving him a knuckle sandwich?

    Thanks for the reply but I really don't like the solutions you have come up with so far. It mainly involves me running away which I don't really care for.

  7. #6
    Mod can u please merge/delete the earlier threads on this topic started by me

  8. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Thanks for the reply but I really don't like the solutions you have come up with so far. It mainly involves me running away which I don't really care for.
    What you call, "running away", I call, "Not sticking your nose into other people's business".

    Yeah, I mean, there could be an Uncle Ben/Peter Parker scenario there, but the odds are much greater that you'll just cause more problems than you'll ever solve.

    My preferred option? If I can get the guy's attention, see what I can do to get him off the road for his own safety. If I can't, just pray that he makes it home safe without hurting himself or anyone else. (the same thing I'd do when I come across anyone that's behaving irrationally.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

  9. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    When you say cops are everywhere, is that you saying that there is no need calling the cops because the cops would stop him anyway?
    Not really. I'm just making the point that there are crazy drivers all over the place in this area. Seeing one is not going to prompt me to call police. You have to pay full attention to the road and other drivers.
    But yeah, since they are everywhere, he'd probably get pulled over before anyone even had a chance to make a call.



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  11. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    What you call, "running away", I call, "Not sticking your nose into other people's business".

    Yeah, I mean, there could be an Uncle Ben/Peter Parker scenario there, but the odds are much greater that you'll just cause more problems than you'll ever solve.

    My preferred option? If I can get the guy's attention, see what I can do to get him off the road for his own safety. If I can't, just pray that he makes it home safe without hurting himself or anyone else. (the same thing I'd do when I come across anyone that's behaving irrationally.
    So you consider moving to a different neighbourhood, structuring your activities around the time when drunk drivers might be on the road and limiting the places you visit all because of drunk drivers is not running away?

    The reason why I said impaired driver not just drunk driver is that the driver may have a medical condition and could be a danger to himself in addition to being a danger to others. In many cases, calling the police may actually save his life.

    This idea that we should mind our own business when we see a clear public danger is a concept that is very foreign to me. But maybe I will come around if I get enough information that would convince me.

  12. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    The reason why I said impaired driver not just drunk driver is that the driver may have a medical condition and could be a danger to himself in addition to being a danger to others. In many cases, calling the police may actually save his life.
    Yeah, but then there are cases where people really have had medical conditions and they were pulled over and shot.
    If there weren't so many police brutality cases, maybe people would be a little more willing to call them.
    The police have turned out to be public safety hazards. Pretty ironic, wouldn't you say?

  13. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by PursuePeace View Post
    Yeah, but then there are cases where people really have had medical conditions and they were pulled over and shot.
    If there weren't so many police brutality cases, maybe people would be a little more willing to call them.
    The police have turned out to be public safety hazards. Pretty ironic, wouldn't you say?
    There are cases where dentists have molested people while they were sedated but that doesn't stop you from ever going under at the dentist, right? Please don't get me wrong, I think one case of police bashing the head in of someone having a seizure is horrible but still the vast vast majority of the police encounters with civilians doesn't end up in any violence. They aren't that many cases of police brutalizing people with medical conditions.

    I am still baffled that some people still would not call the police even when faced with a life/death situation.

    But please keep replying, I am learning a lot from these conversations

  14. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    This idea that we should mind our own business when we see a clear public danger is a concept that is very foreign to me. But maybe I will come around if I get enough information that would convince me.
    Yeah, but you have to weigh what you perceive as a public danger to the real danger that you will be causing. If you bring police into the situation, then YOU are responsible for whatever happens to that person. The odds are pretty good that this person wasn't going to end up hurting someone. His odds are higher than if he wasn't driving erratically, but only marginally. There is inherent risk with operating motorized vehicles.

    But if the police find this person - thanks to your insinuation into the circumstance - there is almost a guarantee that trouble will result. Forget police violence, even if they just give the guy fines, you are responsible for transferring wealth from a citizen to the State! The loss of productivity is immeasurable! Court costs... Lawyer fees... Juror's time... I mean, the list goes on and on. AND... You are giving credibility to the increased size of the police force. And guess what? You will NEVER have enough police to ensure the safety of everyone. NEVER.

    So, before you call the cops, you really need to understand that harm you are doing to not only that one person, but to the larger society. You may convince yourself that you are helping someone - and maybe you are - but have you considered everyone else that you may be harming?! If you do, it will certainly change your calculus of the benefit of making that phone call.
    Last edited by CaptUSA; 02-06-2017 at 12:04 PM.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

  15. #13
    Jesus christ, the mod removed the thread I asked him to keep and left the only one without an actual poll up. WTF?

    Going to create yet another poll thread. Please merge this one with that one and keep the poll up.

  16. #14
    Liberty is the answer. Always start there. Do you have a cheap portable HAM radio to carry with you? Maybe a decent mobile antennae?

    - Do nothing
    - Call the police
    - Take responsibility and try and stop the driver yourself.

    Given those options,
    Do nothing
    or Do it yourself.

    I would do nothing, unless I could determine it was safe for me to intervene. I might give a report on 146.520, or a local repeater frequency. I SHOULD give a report on a local frequency.

    Get involved with your local HAM community. ALWAYS take a handy-talkie radio with you on the road.
    I scan police/emergency frequencies (2 meter) with my handy-talkie radio, so I already have a better chance of knowing what is on the roads around me.
    I scan two-meter HAM frequencies, so I already have a better idea of what other HAMs are reporting about road hazards.
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  17. #15

    Poll: When is it OK to call the police

    This question comes after the comments I got from the teacher who did porn thread and I was wondering what the opinion of RPF is about calling the police. The scenario I created is one that I put up in that thread and I am putting it up again here to see what people think. This is my first poll and I will try to make it public.

    Also, for this scenario, assume that the cops are not everywhere and the cops would not take him off the road if they are not called.

    Thanks in advance for the many, wonderful, thought provoking replies.

    Redo, the first wasn't a public poll. Apologies, this is my first poll thread

  18. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    There are cases where dentists have molested people while they were sedated but that doesn't stop you from ever going under at the dentist, right? Please don't get me wrong, I think one case of police bashing the head in of someone having a seizure is horrible but still the vast vast majority of the police encounters with civilians doesn't end up in any violence. They aren't that many cases of police brutalizing people with medical conditions.

    I am still baffled that some people still would not call the police even when faced with a life/death situation.

    But please keep replying, I am learning a lot from these conversations

    I would call the police if the situation called for it. I'm not totally against police, but I'm extremely leery of them.
    I have police in my family. And I've also had family members physically abused by the police and thrown in prison on trumped up charges.
    Guess you just have to experience certain things to really understand where some folks are coming from.



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  20. #17
    Remember...

    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

  21. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by bunklocoempire View Post
    Liberty is the answer. Always start there. Do you have a cheap portable HAM radio to carry with you? Maybe a decent mobile antennae?

    - Do nothing
    - Call the police
    - Take responsibility and try and stop the driver yourself.

    Given those options,
    Do nothing
    or Do it yourself.

    I would do nothing, unless I could determine it was safe for me to intervene. I might give a report on 146.520, or a local repeater frequency. I SHOULD give a report on a local frequency.

    Get involved with your local HAM community. ALWAYS take a handy-talkie radio with you on the road.
    I scan police/emergency frequencies (2 meter) with my handy-talkie radio, so I already have a better chance of knowing what is on the roads around me.
    I scan two-meter HAM frequencies, so I already have a better idea of what other HAMs are reporting about road hazards.

    Good advice.

  22. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by bunklocoempire View Post
    Liberty is the answer. Always start there. Do you have a cheap portable HAM radio to carry with you? Maybe a decent mobile antennae?

    - Do nothing
    - Call the police
    - Take responsibility and try and stop the driver yourself.

    Given those options,
    Do nothing
    or Do it yourself.

    I would do nothing, unless I could determine it was safe for me to intervene. I might give a report on 146.520, or a local repeater frequency. I SHOULD give a report on a local frequency.

    Get involved with your local HAM community. ALWAYS take a handy-talkie radio with you on the road.
    I scan police/emergency frequencies (2 meter) with my handy-talkie radio, so I already have a better chance of knowing what is on the roads around me.
    I scan two-meter HAM frequencies, so I already have a better idea of what other HAMs are reporting about road hazards.
    I can dig that, so essentially you would get on your radio and warn other drivers about the dangerous driver on the road. That is doing something, this way everybody with a HAM radio can get out of the way of the drunk driver.

    This is a solution I never actually thought of when I made my poll. Thanks for the input.

  23. #20
    I do nothing except to stay well enough away from the bad driver. It's none of my business and calling the cops could get me injured or killed.

  24. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Yeah, but you have to weigh what you perceive as a public danger to the real danger that you will be causing. If you bring police into the situation, then YOU are responsible for whatever happens to that person. The odds are pretty good that this person wasn't going to end up hurting someone. His odds are higher than if he wasn't driving erratically, but only marginally. There is inherent risk with operating motorized vehicles.

    But if the police find this person - thanks to your insinuation into the circumstance - there is almost a guarantee that trouble will result. Forget police violence, even if they just give the guy fines, you are responsible for transferring wealth from a citizen to the State! The loss of productivity is immeasurable! Court costs... Lawyer fees... Juror's time... I mean, the list goes on and on. AND... You are giving credibility to the increased size of the police force. And guess what? You will NEVER have enough police to ensure the safety of everyone. NEVER.

    So, before you call the cops, you really need to understand that harm you are doing to not only that one person, but to the larger society. You may convince yourself that you are helping someone - and maybe you are - but have you considered everyone else that you may be harming?! If you do, it will certainly change your calculus of the benefit of making that phone call.
    You know, if you think the court cost is bad wait till you see what happens when they actually hit another driver. You are looking at months in the hospital for passengers of both cars involved, where lots of surgeries would be done and after that, the person would go to the rehab, then go home with physical therapy home visit. They would most likely lose their job, house, car, pet etc. Family would have to take time off work coming to visit them.

    The cost of 1 horrific impaired car accident would dwarf the cost of 100 court cases. If you care about the money, the better option lies with calling the police.

  25. #22

  26. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    You know, if you think the court cost is bad wait till you see what happens when they actually hit another driver. You are looking at months in the hospital for passengers of both cars involved, where lots of surgeries would be done and after that, the person would go to the rehab, then go home with physical therapy home visit. They would most likely lose their job, house, car, pet etc. Family would have to take time off work coming to visit them.

    The cost of 1 horrific impaired car accident would dwarf the cost of 100 court cases. If you care about the money, the better option lies with calling the police.
    Not even close. The odds of that driver actually causing the costs that you describe are small. Most impaired drivers make it home.

    However, the odds of the costs I describe are nearly absolute when the police interaction occurs. And the costs are borne by the entire community - not just those involved.


    It's not just "money" that I care about - it's the furthering of the nanny state. Seriously, Jules... you are only considering one side of the equation! It's incredibly easy to see something bad and then think you should ask the state to fix it for you... Especially, if you never examine the consequences of your actions. I think our intentions are good, but your solutions are just ignorant. You must consider that harm that you are doing - NOT just the "potential" good. (And, remember, you will talk yourself into believing that that "potential" is really much greater than it actually is. Because you want to justify your involvement.)
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    I can dig that, so essentially you would get on your radio and warn other drivers about the dangerous driver on the road. That is doing something, this way everybody with a HAM radio can get out of the way of the drunk driver.

    This is a solution I never actually thought of when I made my poll. Thanks for the input.
    You're welcome. My pleasure. I am a former police caller. This forum, especially AF, and my own lame experiences calling the cops changed my mind on the matter.

    Every community is different when it comes to police/emergency comms, it might not be possible to monitor cops/emergency services with a cheap 2 meter radio. There is a digital system that some communities use (trunkling etc.) for police/emergency comms. I'm sure there are more knowledgeable HAMs than myself who could explain it better. My community still uses 2 meter and 440 for police/emergency services dispatch/comms.

    I don't have cell phone service, but I would think Cell 411 could be a viable option along with the portable HAM radio. You do need some like minded folks to make this work.

    https://getcell411.com/ The more DIY community relationships, the better.
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  29. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Not even close. The odds of that driver actually causing the costs that you describe are small. Most impaired drivers make it home.

    However, the odds of the costs I describe are nearly absolute when the police interaction occurs. And the costs are borne by the entire community - not just those involved.


    It's not just "money" that I care about - it's the furthering of the nanny state. Seriously, Jules... you are only considering one side of the equation! It's incredibly easy to see something bad and then think you should ask the state to fix it for you... Especially, if you never examine the consequences of your actions. I think our intentions are good, but your solutions are just ignorant. You must consider that harm that you are doing - NOT just the "potential" good. (And, remember, you will talk yourself into believing that that "potential" is really much greater than it actually is. Because you want to justify your involvement.)
    My scenario is one that I choose specifically that would lead to a near fatal accident. So yea, the scenario I we are supposed to be talking about would most likely lead to the cost I am talking about. Also, about your court court estimate, for one in most cities, you get a slap on the wrist for your first DWI. You pay a small fine, attend some classes and your drivers license takes a small hit. You don't get a jury case, you most likely plea guilty to the charge and you are done.

    Believe me, I do think about the consequences of my action before saying that I will call the police in that instance. But I try to balance my concerns with the concerns of other innocent drivers on the road. Calling the police when there is a dangerous impaired driver on the road is not going to bring about the police state any faster. But it might just save the life of an innocent person which I think priority over what could happen if I called the police.

  30. #26
    First... give that car some space
    Second.. point and say.. "Look, it's a wreck waiting to happen"
    Third... think to yourself.. RIP dip$#@!
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  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by opal View Post
    First... give that car some space
    Second.. point and say.. "Look, it's a wreck waiting to happen"
    Third... think to yourself.. RIP dip$#@!
    RIP dip$#@!? is that what you say to a citizen on the road having a seizure?

  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    My scenario is one that I choose specifically that would lead to a near fatal accident.
    Ugh... Listen, you are trying to justify this. Your scenario is a judgment completely in the mind of the observer. How could you possibly know that it would lead to a near fatal accident?! Can you predict the future?! No? Well then, you might want to seriously consider the impending real costs of your own actions and not just some imagined benefit.


    So, let's say that we had a police force whose job it was to pick up impaired drivers and return them safely to their homes with a nice note about where they could pick up their vehicle in the morning... In that case, the costs of your actions would be much lower. But this isn't a fantasy land - engaging the State has real consequences. You should think long and hard about when to do that. And chances are, in the time it takes you to think about it, cooler heads would have prevailed.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

  33. #29
    When you call "the police"
    you demand that they should come into immediate compliance
    with the state sanctioned statutory way of living
    else die.



    In the face of a drunk driver, surely there has to be a better solution to your troubles.

    If you don't feel 100% just in forcing compliance here and now with your own gun
    you're probably generating some bad karma by calling the cops.



    Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

    ...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...


  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    RIP dip$#@!? is that what you say to a citizen on the road having a seizure?
    and now you're adding more conditions to the original question.. seizures... sure death..
    when you have a complete question.. with all your add ons after the fact squared away in your mind, try again.

    In the mean time.. when is it ok to call the police? When you're fund raising for some other organization and they're already on the call list.
    Disclaimer: any post made after midnight and before 8AM is made before the coffee dip stick has come up to optomim level - expect some level of silliness,

    The problems we face today exist because the people who work for a living are out numbered by those who vote for a living !!!!!!!

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