Moral Panic Over Sex Work

[PAF]

https://youtu.be/eV6Ahz5GWQc

[dannno]

Sex "work"... lol

That's like saying sports "work" instead of professional sports.

[PAF]

Sex "work"... lol

That's like saying sports "work" instead of professional sports.

How hard does she have to work before you consider it work? Or do you just want her try a little harder, else you get a freebie?

[dannno]

How hard does she have to work before you consider it work? Or do you just want her try a little harder, else you get a freebie?

For it to be "work", I think it needs to be either less than $16/hour pay or require more than 30 hours/week to make rent/bills.

I don't think there are any hard/fast rules, but for example, if you're making $100/hr, then it's definitely "work" if you are working like 50 hours/week, but not if you're working like 15 hours per week.

Also if you are doing something that most people would like to do in their spare time, that is also a huge indicator of whether you are working or not.

[PAF]

For it to be "work", I think it needs to be either less than $16/hour pay or require more than 30 hours/week to make rent/bills.

I don't think there are any hard/fast rules, but for example, if you're making $100/hr, then it's definitely "work" if you are working like 50 hours/week, but not if you're working like 15 hours per week.

Also if you are doing something that most people would like to do in their spare time, that is also a huge indicator of whether you are working or not.

I like to break it down to private contract between 2 consenting individuals. If X money for Y time, the two individuals can accept, reject or renegotiate.

Easy peasy nice and easy, no need to get .GOV involved. Which is what all that crap is about in the news lately (see OP video), distracting from the real issues such as freedom and fiscal responsibility.

[dannno]

I like to break it down to private contract between 2 consenting individuals. If X money for Y time, the two individuals can accept, reject or renegotiate.

Easy peasy nice and easy, no need to get .GOV involved. Which is what all that crap is about in the news lately (see OP video), distracting from the real issues such as freedom and fiscal responsibility.

Whether the government is involved or not, a hand model who makes $5 million per year and only does a couple dozen 2-4 hour shoots a year is earning their money, I just don't think a lot of people would consider it "work".

Like a professional golfer. It takes a lot of hard work to become a professional golfer, but I don't think most people consider playing in golf tournaments work.. as opposed to say a construction job or a CEO.

[PAF]

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[Origanalist]

For it to be "work", I think it needs to be either less than $16/hour pay or require more than 30 hours/week to make rent/bills.

I don't think there are any hard/fast rules, but for example, if you're making $100/hr, then it's definitely "work" if you are working like 50 hours/week, but not if you're working like 15 hours per week.

Also if you are doing something that most people would like to do in their spare time, that is also a huge indicator of whether you are working or not.

Jeez dannno, wtf are you going on about? If I charge $100.00 per hour and only get 15 hrs. of work then it's not work?

[dannno]

Jeez dannno, wtf are you going on about? If I charge $100.00 per hour and only get 15 hrs. of work then it's not work?

Per week?

There are a lot of factors, and no line in the sand. You are definitely earning money legitimately.

[AdamL]

So how much is John Stossel charging for a night with his daughter Lauren? I have a few hundred friends named Muhammad who have always dreamed of running train on a Jewish girl...

[dannno]

How hard does she have to work before you consider it work? Or do you just want her try a little harder, else you get a freebie?

If you want to see sex "work", go checkout the fat girls on the web cams. That's work..

[Grandmastersexsay]

So how much is John Stossel charging for a night with his daughter Lauren? I have a few hundred friends named Muhammad who have always dreamed of running train on a Jewish girl...

What an asinine thing to say. Laws shouldn't be made to protect our adult children from themselves. We should be good enough parents to instill in them the values we think are important. Stop passing your responsibilities on to the state.

[AdamL]

What an asinine thing to say. Laws shouldn't be made to protect our adult children from themselves. We should be good enough parents to instill in them the values we think are important. Stop passing your responsibilities on to the state.

Are you insinuating that a good libertarian like John Stossel would have some kind of problem with his daughter exercising her freedom to be a prostitute...?

It's time for the pro-prostitution advocates to put their money where their mouth is. How do you expect to be taken seriously if you're not willing to volunteer your own daughters, wives, sisters and mothers to work the streets?

[PAF]

Are you insinuating that a good libertarian like John Stossel would have some kind of problem with his daughter exercising her freedom to be a prostitute...?

It's time for the pro-prostitution advocates to put their money where their mouth is. How do you expect to be taken seriously if you're not willing to volunteer your own daughters, wives, sisters and mothers to work the streets?

Adult industry in general, for example:


Sabrina Dawn (internet adult film database) is the daughter of Delilah Dawn (internet adult film database).

Jamie Summers (internet adult film database) is the daughter of Melani Summers (internet adult film database)

Vikki Vaughn (internet adult film database) is mother of Veronica Vaughn (internet adult film database), who in turn is stepmom to Cherry Vaughn

Jessica Sexxxton (Internet Adult Film Database) her daughter Monica Sexxxton (Internet Adult Film Database)

Desi Foxx (Internet Adult Film Database) her daugher Elli Foxx (Internet Adult Film Database)

Vera Delight (Internet Adult Film Database) her daughter Chelsy Sun (Internet Adult Film Database)

Angela D’Angelo (Internet Adult Film Database) perfomed in an impressive number of 264 porn films between 1990 and 2014 and is even surpassed by her daughter Ice La Fox (Internet Adult Film Database), a dark-haired beauty who churned out 320 movies in the twelve years from 2001 to 2013.

Ryan Conner (Internet Adult Film Database) is the mother of Dylan Phoenix (Internet Adult Film Database)

Kitana Steele (iafd.com/person.rme) is the mother of Charlie (iafd.com/person.rme)

De'Bella (internet adult film database) is mother Jewel DeNyle (internet adult film database), former spouse of Peter North.

[AdamL]

Adult industry in general, for example:


Sabrina Dawn (internet adult film database) is the daughter of Delilah Dawn (internet adult film database).

Jamie Summers (internet adult film database) is the daughter of Melani Summers (internet adult film database)

Vikki Vaughn (internet adult film database) is mother of Veronica Vaughn (internet adult film database), who in turn is stepmom to Cherry Vaughn

Jessica Sexxxton (Internet Adult Film Database) her daughter Monica Sexxxton (Internet Adult Film Database)

Desi Foxx (Internet Adult Film Database) her daugher Elli Foxx (Internet Adult Film Database)

Vera Delight (Internet Adult Film Database) her daughter Chelsy Sun (Internet Adult Film Database)

Angela D’Angelo (Internet Adult Film Database) perfomed in an impressive number of 264 porn films between 1990 and 2014 and is even surpassed by her daughter Ice La Fox (Internet Adult Film Database), a dark-haired beauty who churned out 320 movies in the twelve years from 2001 to 2013.

Ryan Conner (Internet Adult Film Database) is the mother of Dylan Phoenix (Internet Adult Film Database)

Kitana Steele (iafd.com/person.rme) is the mother of Charlie (iafd.com/person.rme)

De'Bella (internet adult film database) is mother Jewel DeNyle (internet adult film database), former spouse of Peter North.

This list looks very gynocentric. Can I see a list of the proud fathers of these prostitutes?

[PAF]

This list looks very gynocentric. Can I see a list of the proud fathers of these prostitutes?

Maria Roswitha's own father filmed her.

Here is Aurora Snow's interview about her and her father:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/my-daughter-the-porn-star

[Champ]

This was a fairly straightforward issue for me and what seemed like many libertarians for decades. Just like drugs, people should be able to do what they want to their own bodies as long as they do not hurt anyone or someone else's property, even if it is damaging to themselves. There should not be legal constraints in any form on these matters, regardless of where you come down on these issues morally.

With that said, there has been an increasingly intense push for lgbtq++++ which has paved the way to the legitimization of exposing children to sex (ie: Desmond) and of course pedophilia. Making harsher legal laws is not the answer. Applying harsher moral and social condemnation outside of the legal framework seems to be where things are headed as the stories of human and child trafficking for forced prostitution/enslavement continue to increase.

I'm hopeful we can handle this without needing any more laws or any at all, but there will be large lobbying forces of those that demand we increase government, if only temporarily, to tackle the problem. Historically these increases have not been temporary unfortunately. Either way, a fresh take on what has happened to our culture and our views on these issues is desperately needed and it will come.

[PAF]

This was a fairly straightforward issue for me and what seemed like many libertarians for decades. Just like drugs, people should be able to do what they want to their own bodies as long as they do not hurt anyone or someone else's property, even if it is damaging to themselves. There should not be legal constraints in any form on these matters, regardless of where you come down on these issues morally.

With that said, there has been an increasingly intense push for lgbtq++++ which has paved the way to the legitimization of exposing children to sex (ie: Desmond) and of course pedophilia. Making harsher legal laws is not the answer. Applying harsher moral and social condemnation outside of the legal framework seems to be where things are headed as the stories of human and child trafficking for forced prostitution/enslavement continue to increase.

I'm hopeful we can handle this without needing any more laws or any at all, but there will be large lobbying forces of those that demand we increase government, if only temporarily, to tackle the problem. Historically these increases have not been temporary unfortunately. Either way, a fresh take on what has happened to our culture and our views on these issues is desperately needed and it will come.

Kaytlin Bailey, former sex worker, is the investigative reporter in the OP video where she explains how words are twisted and stats are overly inflated to suit the tyrants in government, and how FED money is wrongly given to local LEO. It is definitely worth the watch.

She is a comedian and also a sex workers' rights advocate:

https://www.kaytlinbailey.com/

https://decriminalizesexwork.net/

[dannno]

Are you insinuating that a good libertarian like John Stossel would have some kind of problem with his daughter exercising her freedom to be a prostitute...?

It's time for the pro-prostitution advocates to put their money where their mouth is. How do you expect to be taken seriously if you're not willing to volunteer your own daughters, wives, sisters and mothers to work the streets?

I'm not going to volunteer anybody, but I'm also not going to physically attack a dude for mistakes that I made as a father.

[AdamL]

Maria Roswitha's own father filmed her.

Here is Aurora Snow's interview about her and her father:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/my-daughter-the-porn-star

Humanity not worth saving confirmed.

I feel bad for these women whose own parents failed them so badly.

[PAF]

Humanity not worth saving confirmed.

I feel bad for these women whose own parents failed them so badly.

See @Champ post #17 which I agree.

[PAF]

@AdamL

I live in an area where Section 8 is on every side of town. I am constantly flipped the middle finger when I randomly ask a few of the younger guys to help with landscaping work in exchange for a decent buck. The girls down there, multi-generational Americans, sleep around with anybody who will give them yet another kid to up the monthly Welfare check.

I would sooner see sex workers providing a service, perhaps to a man who is so busy working that he has no time or business raising a family, a wounded veteran who is not able to marry, a shy guy who has no interaction skills, etc.

The "sex worker" provides a service. Section 8 does not provide a service but rather takes from and abuses the tax payers and system as a whole. It is the oldest profession in the world and it will never stop. So, either earn money, or do not eat - do not come to me for free handouts.

[AdamL]

See @Champ post #17 which I agree.

I'd be in favor of bringing back our tradition of locking them up in stocks or tarring and feathering them. Don't need a government for that!

That one guy who filmed his own daughter should be sent straight to the gulag though.

[AdamL]

@AdamL

I live in an area where Section 8 is on every side of town. I am constantly flipped the middle finger when I randomly ask a few of the younger guys to help with landscaping work in exchange for a decent buck. The girls down there, multi-generational Americans, sleep around with anybody who will give them yet another kid to up the monthly Welfare check.

I would sooner see sex workers providing a service, perhaps to a man who is so busy working that he has no time or business raising a family, a wounded veteran who is not able to marry, a shy guy who has no interaction skills, etc.

The "sex worker" provides a service. Section 8 does not provide a service but rather takes from and abuses the tax payers and system as a whole. It is the oldest profession in the world and it will never stop. So, either earn money, or do not eat - do not come to me for free handouts.

What you're experiencing is social decay. You're not going to solve that by promoting even more degeneracy.

Why is the wounded veteran not able to marry? This guy with severe disabilities was able to find himself a good waifu:

[PAF]

I'd be in favor of bringing back our tradition of locking them up in stocks or tarring and feathering them. Don't need a government for that!

That one guy who filmed his own daughter should be sent straight to the gulag though.

If she consented without force, and he consented without force, and they both earned an income, it is none of my business what they do, as long as they do not harm another person or property in the process, and do not draw Welfare.

If I remember correctly (you can look for the interview), the father was in the adult film industry, the daughter made known that she was going to do it regardless, and asked him to film her.

[Grandmastersexsay]

Are you insinuating that a good libertarian like John Stossel would have some kind of problem with his daughter exercising her freedom to be a prostitute...?

It's time for the pro-prostitution advocates to put their money where their mouth is. How do you expect to be taken seriously if you're not willing to volunteer your own daughters, wives, sisters and mothers to work the streets?

Your argument and tactics are idiotic. John Stossel would tell you his daughter is her own person and capable of making her own decisions in life. If she would make such a choice, it is up to her and he wouldn't have to support it but it is her choice.

The conservatives who want to use government for social engineering are just as bad as the liberals who want to. Neither of you have any underlying principals. You might be worse, because people like you tend to use words like liberty but have no understanding of the term. You dilute the message with your hypocrisy.

[PAF]

The government refers to prostitution as "trafficking". From where I come from, they are two completely different words.

If you have not watched the video, please do so. This investigative report (OP Video) could shed some light on recent happenings, ie; government wants more control using fear tactics and completely fabricated numbers.

[tfurrh]

For it to be "work", I think it needs to be either less than $16/hour pay or require more than 30 hours/week to make rent/bills.

I don't think there are any hard/fast rules, but for example, if you're making $100/hr, then it's definitely "work" if you are working like 50 hours/week, but not if you're working like 15 hours per week.

Also if you are doing something that most people would like to do in their spare time, that is also a huge indicator of whether you are working or not.

I think in order for it to be work, a force must be applied over a distance