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  1. #211
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The Slowly Building Anger in the UK at the Government’s Handling of the Skripal Case
    Written by Rob Slane - Monday April 9, 2018

    In her daily press conference on 5th April, the Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman, Maria Zakharova, mentioned a quiet resentment and fury that is building up amongst ordinary Russians over the way the Government of the United Kingdom has handled the case of Sergei and Yulia Skripal. Strange though it may seem, I sense a similar feeling of anger and resentment building up here in the UK, as it becomes clearer and clearer that the official narrative has little or no connection with reality.

    The anger and frustration is increasingly being displayed on comment boards underneath pieces reporting on the issue. And the feeling is not confined to those who would normally be labelled “conspiracy theorists”. It appears that even many of those who would not normally question official statements can see that something is seriously wrong with all this.

    More specifically, from whence comes this feeling? Here are just 20 of the many reasons for this growing anger:

    1. It comes from being asked to believe frankly outlandish claims – such as the one that is central to the whole incident, that the Skripals, who are very much alive and well, were poisoned by a military-grade nerve agent with a toxicity 5-8 times that of VX.

    2. It comes from the way that our Government recklessly accused another country – a nuclear-armed country at that – of committing a crime before the investigation into the incident had established the most basic of facts.

    3. It comes from the fact that the UK Government has prejudiced and politicised the investigation with their claims before facts, their verdict without evidence, their sentence without proof.

    4. It comes from the fact that the UK Government refused to go through the internationally established protocols for cases such as these. For instance, it only wrote to the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) on 14th March — the same day that Theresa May stood up in the House of Commons and formally accused the Russian Government of culpability.

    5. It comes from the fact that the British Government, which repeatedly speaks about what it calls “British Values”, discarded some of the most basic legal concepts that have formed a part of real “British Values” for centuries, such as due process and the concept of innocent until proven guilty.
    ...
    9. It comes from the labelling of those who have questioned the increasingly preposterous claims as “useful idiots” or “Kremlin stooges” or even outright traitors, for even daring to ask for clarification on the most basic points.

    10. It comes from the way that the media has marched lock-step in line with the Government, refusing to ask the most obvious and basic questions, such as the ones I set out here and here.
    ...
    20. But most of all, it comes simply from that feeling we are being taken for a ride, and are being treated like utter imbeciles by a Government that feels it can make extraordinary accusations and simply expect the public to “trust us”.
    ...
    Yet my fear is that as more and more of this sordid affair comes to light, and as the bizarre and frankly reckless behaviour of the UK Government comes in for serious scrutiny, that quiet sense of anger which has been building up amongst a public that realises it has been repeatedly misled, is unlikely to go away.
    ...
    More: http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives...-skripal-case/
    ...
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    IS the UK illegally holding Yulia Skripal?

    UK blocking Russia consulate access to its citizen and Yulia access to the consulate in violation of international law; blocking any attorney legal representation to Yulia; blocking any access or communications with family members or friends; blocking any media access; blocking her access to social media, telephones, internet; still holding her in captive in the hospital despite UK's reports she is in good health (unless they have already whisked her away to some other hidden containment facility).
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  4. #213
    UK's Detention and Isolation of Yulia Skripal

    However the Russian insistence that the OPCW become involved and verify the British claim ... together with the Russians’ call for an international investigation ... and the lists of questions with which in advance of the OPCW executive council session the Russians bombarded the OPCW, the British, and the French – whose experts the British consulted ... set the scene for the admission by Gary Aitkenhead, Porton Down’s chief executive, that contrary to British Foreign Office claims Porton Down has not been able to confirm that the chemical which poisoned Sergey and Yulia Skripal was made in Russia.

    Ever since then, because British diplomats – not just Boris Johnson – have for weeks been lying about this, the British have been on the defensive.

    As it happens the OPCW executive council session, like the UN Security Council session which Russia called shortly after, also demonstrated another important fact. This is that the Skripal crisis is an East-West confrontation – the West versus the Eurasian powers led by Russia and China – and not a confrontation between a ‘united world community’ and an ‘isolated Russia’, as British and other Western commentators like to claim. ...
    The pattern repeated itself at the subsequent UN Security Council meeting on the following day, 5th April 2018. Not only were Western ambassadors the only ambassadors pointing fingers at Russia during the meeting, but those non-aligned non-Western ambassadors who chose to speak during the meeting not only did not point fingers at Russia but appeared if anything to favour the Russian position...

    Gary Aitkenhead’s admission that Porton Down cannot confirm that the chemical agent used in the attack on Sergey and Yulia Skripal was Russian made has been a public relations disaster for the British; the British authorities’ treatment of Sergey and Yulia Skripal looks increasingly like a public relations disaster waiting to happen.

    The British authorities have maintained the tightest possible security around Sergey and Yulia Skripal. No photographs of them have been released and nor has any information been provided about the sort of treatment they are receiving. So far as is known they have been seen by no visitors. Access to them is tightly controlled.

    The recent High Court Judgment permitting blood samples to be taken from Sergey and Yulia Skripal so that they could be passed on to the OPCW revealed that the British authorities had previously taken blood samples from Sergey and Yulia Skripal, which were passed on to Porton Down. ...

    There is no hint here of any previous permission being obtained from the High Court to take these blood samples. This is so, even though Mr. Justice Williams clearly says in his Judgment that such permission should be obtained ... was the taking of the earlier blood samples unlawful ... If permission was obtained why has the High Court’s Judgment granting this permission not been made public? [If so] What made it different from the Judgment of Mr. Justice Williams, which was made public? ...

    Speaking as someone who has read many court Judgments, I strongly suspect that no previous permission was obtained from the High Court ... Had it been I would have expected Mr. Justice Williams in his very careful Judgment to mention it. ...

    Publication of the High Court Judgment was followed shortly after by the sudden and unexpected announcement that Yulia Skripal was recovering well and had regained consciousness. That the two events – the publication of the Judgment and the announcement of Yulia Skripal’s recovery – might be linked, I have suggested previously ...

    Predictably enough, the announcement of Yulia Skripal’s recovery led to renewed Russian demands for consular access to her. The British have however failed to grant such access ...

    Meanwhile photographs of Yulia Skripal have still not appeared. There is still no information about the treatment she is receiving. She still appears to have seen no visitors. There is no public word of any law firm representing her though the need for her to be provided with legal assistance – and to be allowed to consult with lawyers – is obvious.

    Her cousin Viktoria Skripal has had only one telephone conversation with her that we know of, which she recorded. ... the impression provided by the transcript of the conversation is of Yulia Skripal being someone who feels very constrained in what she is either able or willing to say. She does however know in advance that Viktoria Skripal’s request for a visa to come to Britain to see her is going to be refused (some British media outlets apparently deleted these words when they published the transcript). That Viktoria Skripal’s request for a visa to come to Britain has been refused has now been confirmed by the BBC ...

    Just as her cousin Yulia Skripal told her, the British authorities have no intention of granting her a visa ...

    British authorities appear to have failed even to inform Mr. Justice Williams of her existence?

    All in all it appears that the British authorities are determined to prevent anyone from Russia – even members of Yulia Skripal’s family – from having contact with her. ...

    One effect of publication of the transcript of Yulia Skripal’s conversation with Viktoria Skripal has been that it has forced the British authorities to confirm that what Yulia Skripal told Viktoria Skripal during their conversation – that Sergey Skripal is not only alive but is also recovering – is true. ... now the British authorities themselves have been forced to confirm it.

    In other words, just as publication of Mr. Justice Williams’s Judgment seems to have forced the British authorities to admit that Yulia Skripal is recovering and conscious, so Viktoria Skripal’s publication of the transcript of her telephone conversation with Yulia Skripal seems to have forced the British authorities to admit that Sergey Skripal is alive and recovering well.

    Frankly the timing of these announcements, and the extraordinary secrecy about every aspect of the treatment and condition of Sergey and Yulia Skripal since they were first found on the bench, only reinforces the impression that the British authorities are in effect controlling them, and that they are being kept in a condition which looks suspiciously like detention. ...

    John Helmer ... "The evidence now accumulating is that the hospital is detaining and isolating the Skripals against their will, preventing contact with their family."

    With the collapse of the Novichok evidence Sergey and Yulia Skripal are now key witnesses in the case. ...

    Yulia Skripal ... may be able to provide insights into how the poisoning occurred, or even reveal whether she knows of some other motive by some other non-state actor. ... It would clearly be a huge embarrassment for the UK government if it emerged she believed the Russian state was not involved. ...
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  7. #216
    Craig Murray on UK Keeping Yulia Skripal Impounded, Isolated and Under Duress

    Only the Russians have allowed us to hear the actual voice of Yulia Skripal, in that recorded conversation with her cousin. So the one thing we know for certain is that, at the very first opportunity she had, she called back to her cousin in Russia to let her know what is going on. …

    until the Russians released that phone call, the British authorities were still telling lies that Sergei was in a coma and Yulia herself in a serious condition.

    We do not know how Yulia got to make the call. … Yulia’s mobile phone plainly had been removed from her and not returned. Nor had she been given an official one – she specifically told her cousin that she could not call her back on that phone as she had it temporarily. … she was able to contradict the official narrative on their health, and why she couldn’t get a return call. It would, more importantly, explain why her family has not been able to hear her voice since. Nor has anybody else.

    It strikes me as inherently improbable that, when Yulia called her cousin as her first act the very moment she was able, she would now issue a formal statement through Scotland Yard forbidding her cousin to be in touch or visit. … There is also the very serious question of the language it is written in. … a particular type of formal, official English of a high level which only comes from a certain kind of native speaker. “At the moment I do not wish to avail myself of their services” – wrote no native Russian speaker, ever.

    Nor are the rhythms or idioms such as would in any way indicate a translation from Russian. Take “I thank my cousin Viktoria for her concern for us, but ask that she does not visit me or try to contact me for the time being. Her opinions and assertions are not mine and they are not my father’s.” Not only is this incredibly cold given her first impulse was to phone her cousin, the language is just wrong. It is not the English Yulia would write and it is awkward to translate into Russian, thus not a natural translation from it. …

    the English of the statement is precisely the English of an official in the UK security services and precisely not the English of somebody like Yulia Skripal or of a natural translation from Russian.

    At the very best, she is being psychologically force-fed the story about the evil Russian government attempting to poison her … she is being kept totally isolated from any influence that may reinforce any doubts … Yulia Skripal is being kept incommunicado, and under duress.
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  9. #217
    The OPCW has reported that the nerve agent (Novichok) was used just like Britain has claimed, but NOT that Russia was responsible...

    The executive summary released by the OPCW states:
    The results of the analysis by the OPCW designated laboratories of environmental and biomedical samples collected by the OPCW team confirms the findings of the United Kingdom relating to the identity of the toxic chemical that was used in Salisbury and severely injured three people.
    Boris Johnson (who denied that he had claimed that Russia was behind this...) said in a statement:
    There can be no doubt what was used and there remains no alternative explanation about who was responsible – only Russia has the means, motive and record.
    We will now work tirelessly with our partners to help stamp out the grotesque use of weapons of this kind and we have called a session of the OPCW executive council next Wednesday to discuss next steps. The Kremlin must give answers.
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...irms-salisbury

    Isn’t there always a “motive” for a false flag?!?
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  10. #218
    Independent Swiss Lab Says 'BZ Toxin' Used In Skripal Poisoning; US/UK-Produced, Not Russian
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...k-produced-not


    "The Swiss center sent the results to the OPCW.
    However, the UN chemical watchdog limited itself
    only to confirming the formula of the substance used to poison the Skripals in its final report
    without mentioning anything about the other facts presented in the Swiss document.
    He went on to say that Moscow would ask the OPCW about its decision to not include
    any other information provided by the Swiss in its report."


    Lavrov: Swiss lab says ‘BZ toxin’ used in Salisbury, not produced in Russia, was in US & UK service
    https://www.rt.com/news/424149-skrip...ing-bz-lavrov/
    Last edited by goldenequity; 04-14-2018 at 02:09 PM.

  11. #219
    The UK has proffered what they claim is evidence that Russia has had it out for former double-agent Sergei Skripal since at least 2013, and that Russia has been researching the effectiveness of spreading a nerve agent on door handles for assassination purposes, according to the BBC and the New York Times. The revelations are courtesy of Sir Mark Sedwill, Britain's national security advisor, who detailed the declassified claims in a Friday letter to NATO. From the NYT:
    Mr. Sedwill’s letter, the most detailed account of British intelligence on the subject to be shared with the public to date, also reported that President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia was “closely involved in the chemical weapons program” beginning in the mid-2000s.
    During that period, the letter claims, Russia was secretly developing the nerve agents known as Novichok that British officials say were used in the March 4 attack on Sergei V. Skripal and his daughter, Yulia, in the quiet cathedral city of Salisbury, England.
    Mr. Sedwill’s letter also said that Britain has evidence that Russian security services have been monitoring the Skripal family. Cyberspecialists from Russia’s Foreign Intelligence Services hacked Ms. Skripal’s email in 2013, the letter said. Asked about that at his news conference, Mr. Yakovenko responded sarcastically, “Big surprise.”
    The letter added that Russian intelligence services “view at least some of its defectors as legitimate targets for assassination.” -New York Times
    The letter also claims that "during the 2000s," a special Russian unit began to develop chemical weapons specifically for state-sponsored attacks, and to "train personnel from special units in the use of these weapons."
    This program subsequently included investigation of ways of delivering nerve agents, including by application to door handles,” the letter also says.

    More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...ys-uk-abducted
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  12. #220
    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    Independent Swiss Lab Says 'BZ Toxin' Used In Skripal Poisoning; US/UK-Produced, Not Russian
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...k-produced-not

    "The Swiss center sent the results to the OPCW.
    However, the UN chemical watchdog limited itself
    only to confirming the formula of the substance used to poison the Skripals in its final report
    without mentioning anything about the other facts presented in the Swiss document.
    He went on to say that Moscow would ask the OPCW about its decision to not include
    any other information provided by the Swiss in its report."
    "according to the independent Swiss state Spiez lab, the substance used on Sergei Skripal was an agent called BZ, which was never produced in Russia, but was in service in the US, UK, and other NATO states​" ...
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  13. #221
    (welcome to 9/11 redux)

    London seeks ‘to cover up evidence of staged provocation against Russia’ - Russian Embassy
    http://tass.com/politics/1000402


    The Embassy came to the conclusion that the so-called decontamination is an element of the strategy aiming to destroy the important and valuable evidence

    "the so-called decontamination, which includes ‘incinerating of potentially contaminated objects’,
    is an element of the strategy aiming to destroy the important and valuable evidence".
    "Similar approach has already been used in the case of putting down Mr Skripal’s pet animals,"

    London seeks ‘to cover up evidence of staged provocation against Russia’ - Russian Embassy

    (they're set to bulldoze the house and the restaurant.)

  14. #222
    Berezovsky acted with UK intel, paid with his life when he decided to return home – Russian prosecutor
    https://www.rt.com/uk/424450-berezov...ligence-death/




    Addressing lawmakers, Chaika claimed that Berezovsky was part of a conspiracy involving the British government
    to kill his confidante Aleksandr Litvinenko with radioactive polonium, which London used to accuse Russia of murder.

    “The highest concentration of polonium was found in Berezovsky’s office, but Berezovsky could not get polonium on his own.
    Neither could he fabricate such a trace of evidence.
    He was acting under control of the British intelligence services, acted together with them,” the Russian official said.

  15. #223
    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    Independent Swiss Lab Says 'BZ Toxin' Used In Skripal Poisoning; US/UK-Produced, Not Russian
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...k-produced-not


    "The Swiss center sent the results to the OPCW.
    However, the UN chemical watchdog limited itself
    only to confirming the formula of the substance used to poison the Skripals in its final report
    without mentioning anything about the other facts presented in the Swiss document.
    He went on to say that Moscow would ask the OPCW about its decision to not include
    any other information provided by the Swiss in its report."


    Lavrov: Swiss lab says ‘BZ toxin’ used in Salisbury, not produced in Russia, was in US & UK service
    https://www.rt.com/news/424149-skrip...ing-bz-lavrov/
    Deborah Haynes @/haynesdeborah
    IMPORTANT: Swiss lab expresses “incomprehension” at mfa_russia claim on Skripal nerve agent samples -
    referring to widely repeated fakenews that @SpiezLab found BZ not Novichok.
    Says lab would never use such language.
    Russia actions "unacceptable" & weaken integrity of OPCW.

    ►WRONG! Deborah.

    Spiez never stated the toxin using names like BZ or Novichok.
    What they did was provide a chemical formula for what they identified...
    and it turns out the FORMULA was indeed BZ:


  16. #224
    Skripals in Danger: The Skripals Have Survived but They Are Not Safe: The Novichok Fraud Should Bring Down the UK Government

    As Britain's case against Russia's supposed poisoning of the Skripals unravels, the safety of the Skripals is becoming urgent; they are now in more danger than ever. ...

    Theresa May and her government cannot survive an uncovering of their Novichok fraud… the British “deep state” will find that possibility unacceptable. A couple of Russian lives do not matter in this scenario.

    The Skripals are in grave danger. They were supposed to die before the UK was forced to present the evidence … With no family in Britain beside Sergei and Yulia Skripal, and the Russian embassy barred from meeting with them, there is no one who can stand up to protect the lives of the Skripals. …

    the Skripals could make a fortune going to the media, the British government will never allow them to tell their story. … there are plans to send the Skripals to the US where they “will be offered new identities and a new life.”

    Really? If the Russian poisoning story were true, the Skripals should be happy to return to their respective homes and make money from their stories. In fact, their faces have been so publicized that they would be recognized anywhere in the world. And why would they choose to erase their past lives?

    The message behind the “relocation” story is, don’t look for the Skripals again, because you will never find them.

    The British government must not be allowed to erase them. … if there is no demand to insure that the Skripals have their freedom, they may well face the same fate as their pets.
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  19. #226
    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    They were supposed to die.
    That's what I thought at first.
    If they were supposed to die, they (only daughter Yulia left so far) would have never left hospital (alive).

    Maybe it's all nothing more than a media hype to distract us from:
    - Starving Yemen: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...of-Yemen/page9

    - Bombing Syria: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...chedule)/page5

    - The new war bill for the US president: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?521405-New-AUMF-to-increase-President-Trump%92s-war-powers
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  20. #227
    UK: 'What's happening in this country?!' - Yakovenko slams Westminster


  21. #228
    . On April 18, Moscow disclosed that it has formally handed over to the OPCW proof to the effect that the Novichok agent purportedly used in the Salisbury attack actually happens to be patented as a chemical weapon in 2015 in the US and produced in that country. (By the way, unlike Russia, the US is yet to destroy its chemical weapon stockpiles, as required under the Chemical Weapons Convention of 1997.) Now, not only the British government but Washington too has some explaining to do.

    More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...trail-leads-us
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  22. #229
    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    UK: 'What's happening in this country?!' - Yakovenko slams Westminster


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  23. #230
    Investigators have identified individuals believed to be behind the poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal, according to a new report from The Daily Telegraph. British authorities have maintained that the Russian government was behind the nerve agent attack on the ex-spy in Salisbury, England, which Russia has forcefully denied. The new report further bolsters Britain's case: The "persons of interest" who have been singled out by counter-terrorism police and spy agencies are now reportedly in Russia.
    It's not yet clear who the suspects are, or the full nature of the intelligence that investigators hold, though The Daily Telegraph cites flight manifests for UK flights as a source of clues.

    More at: http://www.businessinsider.com/polic...edium=referral

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  24. #231
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Investigators have identified individuals believed to be behind the poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal, according to a new report from The Daily Telegraph. British authorities have maintained that the Russian government was behind the nerve agent attack on the ex-spy in Salisbury, England, which Russia has forcefully denied. The new report further bolsters Britain's case: The "persons of interest" who have been singled out by counter-terrorism police and spy agencies are now reportedly in Russia.
    It's not yet clear who the suspects are, or the full nature of the intelligence that investigators hold, though The Daily Telegraph cites flight manifests for UK flights as a source of clues.

    More at: http://www.businessinsider.com/polic...edium=referral

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  25. #232
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    On April 18, Moscow disclosed that it has formally handed over to the OPCW proof to the effect that the Novichok agent purportedly used in the Salisbury attack actually happens to be patented as a chemical weapon in 2015 in the US and produced in that country. (By the way, unlike Russia, the US is yet to destroy its chemical weapon stockpiles, as required under the Chemical Weapons Convention of 1997.) ...More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...trail-leads-us
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    Skripal Nerve Agent Can Be Produced In Any Country! - OPCW Head Admits To Russia's Famous Pranksters


  28. #234
    I found a good critical review of the Skripal “poisoning” case…

    There is no actual hard evidence, that the Skripals have actually been poisoned.
    There are no pictures of the Skripals uncounscious on a bench, in hospital or of Yulia after she escaped hospital.
    There is only one written report in the Fake News BBC of an anonymous doctor, who allegedly claimed to have treated Yulia Skripal. As the credibilty of the BBC is none, this “news” has no value at all.

    Yulia Skripal reportedly once spoke 2 minutes with her cousin Viktoria using a borrowed phone in the hospital.
    She has not given a single interview since escaping. Yulia hasn’t even spoken to her boyfriend/fiancee.

    On 5 March, the "Clinical Services Journal" (one day after the Skripals were reportedly poisoned) reported that the doctors at Salisbury Hospital were treating the Skripals for Fentanyl poisoning. Fentanyl is a powerful opioid, 10,000 times stronger than heroin.
    On 26 and 27 April this article was spread widely on twitter.
    The article was doctored sometime on 27th April, to remove any reference to Fentanyl.
    See the screenprint before the change.


    Stephen Davies reported that nobody “has been contaminated by the agent involved”.


    The report by the OPCW has still not been released to the public.
    As Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov is about as reliable as the pathologic liar Boris Johnson, we don’t know what was reported…

    We don't know if the Skripal poisonings were actually poisoned.
    It’s been over 7 weeks since the alleged poisoning took place and the authorities still haven’t identified a single suspect to have performed the actual poisoning.
    Theresa May, the UK government and MI5/MI6 should be the primary suspects for this False Flag attack (either real or hoax).
    https://ian56.blogspot.nl/2018/04/th...n-skripal.html
    (archived here: http://archive.is/ww1Wq)
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  29. #235
    I think I finally “understand” what happened...

    1) The Skripals were poisoned with “deadly novichok gel that was smeared on the handle” of Skripal’s front door.

    2) The injured cop that also ended in hospital:
    Detective Sergeant Nick Bailey was wearing police-issue gloves when he grabbed the handle of Sergei Skripal’s front door soon after the former Russian spy and his daughter were poisoned — but if he thought that would offer him protection, he was wrong.
    Mr Bailey was contaminated by the deadly novichok gel that was smeared on the handle and he too ended up in hospital.
    3) After the Skripals were poisoned with the deadly novichok, at leaving their house, they lunched for 45 minutes, but because they felt so terribly “unwell”, they left before dessert, and decided to go to the park to feed the ducks…
    They gave some bread to 3 boys, because they were also feeding the boys, only one boy ate some:
    At lunchtime on the day of the poisoning, the Skripals had ordered a set menu at the local branch of the Italian restaurant Zizzi but left before having dessert; an indication that they had started to feel unwell, the source said. They are believed to have taken bread, potentially contaminating it, to feed the ducks in a park near by. There they encountered three boys. They gave them some of the bread to feed the ducks, and one of the boys ate some. He was given the all-clear by doctors, a lucky escape that potentially exposes the limitations of novichok.
    4) After feeding the ducks and boys, the Skripals went to a bench where they finally passed out, hours (?!?) after they were supposedly poisoned with “novichok”, according to the anonymous shop manager:
    The Skripals then went to the bench where both collapsed, unconscious. The manager of a shop a few metres away stopped to put rubbish in a bin next to the pair at about 4.10pm, minutes before the alarm was raised. “[Mr Skripal] was sitting upright, eyes closed, and she was lying with her head in his lap. They were not making a noise,” the shop manager, who asked not to be named, said.
    5) In one of those strange coincidences, an anonymous army nurse walked by (no mentioning of mouth-to-mouth as that would be too silly…):
    Offering new details on the March 4 attack, a source with knowledge of the case revealed that the first person to respond to the Skripals when they passed out was an off-duty army nurse who had worked on the ebola outbreak in Sierra Leone. The nurse, a commissioned officer who has asked to remain anonymous, treated them before the emergency services arrived, and was vomited on but is not thought to have suffered novichok poisoning.
    https://forums.digitalspy.com/discus...mment/90006300
    (from the following article: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/g...chok-htdzvs6dt)

    Here’s another article with similar “recent” information: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rve-agent.html


    This is according to the official story, what kind of morons right these scripts?!?
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  30. #236
    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    In one of those strange coincidences, an anonymous army nurse walked by (no mentioning of mouth-to-mouth as that would be too silly…)
    That depends on the nurse, do you have a picture?
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  31. #237
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter
    In one of those strange coincidences, an anonymous army nurse walked by (no mentioning of mouth-to-mouth as that would be too silly…)
    That depends on the nurse, do you have a picture?
    I hope you’re not really asking me for a photo of the nurse that wished to remain “anonymous”…

    I did read somewhere that there was a nurse that gave the Skripals mouth-to-mouth, but as I don’t know the state media source, I don’t know what to make of that.

    I have also read that there is a photo of the boy that ate a piece of bread from the Skripals, but couldn’t find it.
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  32. #238
    It's a miracle!
    Yulia and Sergei Skripal were reportedly in a critical condition for weeks following the attack, at one point, their doctors feared that they would suffer brain damage if they managed to survive.
    But, just weeks after his daughter was discharged, Sergei Skripal has been released from hospital despite being 'attacked by Russia' using one of the "deadliest nerve agents in the world" just two months ago.

    Doctors gave no details on the condition of Skripal, and his current location is not known at this time.

    More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...e-agent-planet
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    Alexis de Torqueville

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  33. #239
    Yulia Skripal has made her first statement since being released from the hospital after a near-fatal poisoning with the nerve agent Novichok. “My life has been turned upside down,” the daughter of former Russian double agent Sergei Skripal told Reuters in Russian, speaking from a secret location in London, where she is under protection from the British state. She made a formal statement on camera and signed a document written in Russian and English, verifying that she is the author of the statement. “We are so lucky to have both survived this attempted assassination," she said in her statement. “Our recovery has been slow and extremely painful.” She declined to discuss the details of her recovery but said in Russian that treatment for the poisoning was “invasive, painful and depressing.” (Much has been made by some of a scar visible on her neck.)

    A Kremlin spokesman said he thought Yulia Skripal was speaking under duress, but Yulia denied that. “No one speaks for me, or for my father but ourselves,” she said. Yulia has declined Russia’s request that she meet with Russia’s ambassador in London. “As I try to come to terms with the devastating changes thrust upon me both physically and emotionally, she said in her statement, “I take one day at a time and want to help care for my Dad till his full recovery.” She said she hopes one day to return to Russia.

    More at: http://www.newser.com/story/259677/y...&utm_content=1
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