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    #Trump's #DOJ Fires a Shot Across #BigPharma's Bow in Operation PIL

    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner



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    Because if there is one thing we need, it's hydrocodone becoming even harder to come by.
    “The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” --George Orwell

    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
    Who else in public life has called for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea?--Donald Trump

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    Because if there is one thing we need, it's hydrocodone becoming even harder to come by.

    Or the federal government becoming even more involved in controlling drugs of any kind.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    Or the federal government becoming even more involved in controlling drugs of any kind.
    Who does he think guards the poppy plants? FFS.
    “The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” --George Orwell

    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
    Who else in public life has called for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea?--Donald Trump

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    Who does he think guards the poppy plants? FFS.

    I know, right?
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    America's War on Pain Pills Is Killing Addicts and Leaving Patients in Agony
    The government's efforts to get between people and the drugs they want have not prevented drug use, but they have made it more dangerous.


    Craig, a middle-aged banking consultant who was on his school's lacrosse team in college and played professionally for half a dozen years after graduating, began developing back problems in his early 30s. "Degenerative disc disease runs in my family, and the constant pounding on AstroTurf probably did not help," he says. One day, he recalls, "I was lifting a railroad tie out of the ground with a pick ax, straddled it, and felt the pop. That was my first herniation."

    After struggling with herniated discs and neuropathy, Craig consulted with "about 10 different surgeons" and decided to have his bottom three vertebrae fused. He continued to suffer from severe lower back pain, which he successfully treated for years with OxyContin, a timed-release version of the opioid analgesic oxycodone. He would take a 30-milligram OxyContin tablet twice a day, supplemented by immediate-release oxycodone for breakthrough pain when he needed it.

    Then one day last May, Craig's pain clinic called him in for a pill count, a precaution designed to detect abuse of narcotics or diversion to nonpatients. The count was off by a week's worth of pills because Craig had just returned from a business trip and forgot that he had packed some medication in his briefcase. He tried to explain the discrepancy and offered to bring in the missing pills, to no avail. Because the pill count came up short, Craig's doctor would no longer prescribe opioids for him, and neither would any other pain specialist in town.

    "I have lived my life by the rules," says Craig (whose name I've changed at his request). "I made one mistake, and they condemned me for it. They were basically saying that I'm a druggie when I have been fine for four years. My first pill count ever, and they boot me." He says a nurse at the practice told him "the doctors were getting tired of all the scrutiny, so they were booting all the opioid patients."

    Without the OxyContin, Craig says, "every morning is a challenge to get out of bed." Even with liberal use of ice packs and Biofreeze, he says, "It's horrible. I can't expect to live a life like this. I'm not a junkie. I'm not a threat to society. I'm not a threat to myself. I simply want to live my life without pain."

    Like other patients across the country, Craig is a victim of the recent crackdown on prescription opioids, which is based on a narrative that mistakenly blames pain treatment for a plague of addiction and death. Most Americans believe we are in the midst of an "opioid crisis" that began in the 1990s with the introduction of OxyContin. According to the generally accepted account, deceptive marketing encouraged reckless prescribing, which led to widespread addiction among patients and record numbers of opioid-related fatalities—a situation President Donald Trump has declared a public health emergency.

    Former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, who chaired the President's Commission on Combating Drug Addiction and the Opioid Crisis, invokes that narrative when he talks about "the injured student-athlete who becomes addicted after [his] first prescription" or remembers the law school classmate who died of an overdose after getting hooked on the oxycodone he was taking for back pain. Such examples are misleading because they are rare, accounting for only a small percentage of opioid-related deaths.

    Contrary to the impression left by most press coverage of the issue, opioid-related deaths do not usually involve drug-naive patients who accidentally get hooked while being treated for pain. Instead, they usually involve people with histories of substance abuse and psychological problems who use multiple drugs, not just opioids.

    Conflating those two groups results in policies like the pill count that left Craig without the pain medication he needed to get out of bed in the morning, go to work, and lead a normal life. The rationale is that cutting people like him off will stop them from ending up dead of an overdose in a Walmart parking lot next to a baggie of fentanyl-laced heroin.

    But the truth is that patients who take opioids for pain rarely become addicted. A 2018 study found that just 1 percent of people who took prescription pain medication following surgery showed signs of "opioid misuse," a broader category than addiction. Even when patients take opioids for chronic pain, only a small minority of them become addicted. The risk of fatal poisoning is even lower—on the order of two-hundredths of a percent annually, judging from a 2015 study.

    Despite such reassuring numbers, the government is responding to the "opioid epidemic" as if opioid addiction were a disease caused by exposure to opioids, a simplistic view that ignores the personal, social, and economic factors that make these drugs attractive to some people. Treating pain medication as a disease vector, the government has restricted access to it by monitoring prescriptions, investigating doctors, and imposing new limits on how much can be prescribed, for how long, and under what circumstances. That approach hurts pain patients by depriving them of the analgesics they need to make their lives livable, and it hurts nonmedical users by driving them into a black market where the drugs are deadlier.

    A large majority of opioid-related deaths now involve illicitly produced substances, primarily heroin and fentanyl. As usual, the government's efforts to get between people and the drugs they want have not prevented drug use, but they have made it more dangerous.
    http://reason.com/archives/2018/03/0...-pain-pills-is

    More at link.

    So what's the word @donnay? Homeopathic roots and prayer for Craig?
    “The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” --George Orwell

    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
    Who else in public life has called for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea?--Donald Trump

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    Recognize too, that when there were 'pill mills' the 30mg Oxycontins referred to were $20 for a single pill. Some pills were running $60 for a single pill.

    For something that was 'flooding' the streets, those prices seem awfully high.

    One might even come to the conclusion that the so called flood and epidemic is drug warrior propagandist talking points to ensure DEA funds don't dry up.
    “The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” --George Orwell

    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
    Who else in public life has called for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea?--Donald Trump

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    http://reason.com/archives/2018/03/0...-pain-pills-is

    More at link.

    So what's the word @donnay? Homeopathic roots and prayer for Craig?
    Why are you blaming me for something Big pHARMa pushed? I am the one in the crowd yelling, "Big pHARMa doesn't care about you, they are just in it for the money/power, and the FDA is their paid attack dogs to get you for not toeing the line."

    Kratom and Cannabis has been used successfully for withdrawing from opioids. Guess who stands to lose money if more people knew? Beside, now, the FDA wants the Kratom regulated.

    There are natural alternatives out there, but people have been brainwashed to believe if a person in a white coat with a stethoscope writes them a prescription all will be fine. As we can see with this opioid addiction, all is NOT fine!
    Last edited by donnay; 03-09-2018 at 10:35 AM.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner



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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Why are you blaming me for something Big pHARMa pushed? I am the one in the crowd yelling, "Big pHARMa doesn't care about you, they are just in it for the money/power and the FDA is their paid attack dogs to get you for not toeing the line."

    Kratom and Cannabis has been used successfully for withdrawing from opioids. Guess who stands to lose money if more people knew? Beside now the FDA wants the Kratom regulated.

    There are natural alternatives out there, but people have been brainwashed to believe if a person in a white coat with a stethoscope writes them a prescription all will be fine. As we can see with this opioid addiction, all is NOT fine!
    Freedom of choice means exactly what it says.

    He wants Oxycontin. Ought he be limited to Kratom and Cannabis?

    My tooth hurts. Ought I be limited to Oxycodone and Motrin?

    That was my point.

    I haven't seen a doctor in many years. You know why? They spit in my face with their extremely limited pain treatment options that they'd prescribe. You know why they were afraid to prescribe me oxycodone or hydrocodone? Because of the DEA.

    I should be able to walk into a store and buy oxycodone, cannabis, kratom, cocaine, or any other substance I so wish to choose.
    “The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” --George Orwell

    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
    Who else in public life has called for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea?--Donald Trump

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    ? Homeopathic roots and prayer for Craig?
    Nature has pain relief,, of many typed and levels,, and I do not discount Prayer.

    Opium is natures most well known and effective,, but can also be addictive. as can anything that relieves pain..

    They are banning Kratom in this area..(Making the legal herb illegal) because people were using it for pain relief,, and ditching Opiods.

    To my surprise,, I found that regular cannabis use relieves pain I have lived with for years,, I have reduced my aspirin use almos entirely.
    (except on occasion as a blood thinner)
    I really don't care to buy or use the crap developed by the same entities that were involved in Crimes Against Humanity.

    Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.
    Everything we need is found in nature. when government or other evil does not prevent it.

    Anything more than nature provides can be handled by God.. That is where the prayer part comes in.
    Last edited by pcosmar; 03-09-2018 at 10:42 AM.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Nature has pain relief,, of many typed and levels,, and I do not discount Prayer.

    Opium is natures most well known and effective,, but can also be addictive. as can anything that relieves pain..

    They are banning Kratom in this area..(Makeing the legal herb illegal) because people were using it for pain relief,, and ditching Ovoids.

    To my surprise,, I found that regular cannabis use relieves pain I have lived with for years,, I have reduced my aspirin use almos entirely.
    (except on occasion as a blood thinner)
    I really don't care to buy or use the crap developed by the same entities that were involved in Crimes Against Humanity.


    Everything we need is found in nature. when government or other evil does not prevent it.

    Anything more than nature provides can be handled by God.. That is where the prayer part comes in.
    I largely don't disagree. I don't think many things people dabble in as being good for them. I largely refuse medication and have been healthy enough all the same.

    The point is: should they be able to ingest what they want to?

    There is a government disseminated rumor that there is a flood of opioids. An epidemic, even.

    I would say that when single pills cost $60 dollars a piece and one pill might last half a day, that there is quite obviously a disparity in supply versus demand.
    “The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” --George Orwell

    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
    Who else in public life has called for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea?--Donald Trump

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    Prohibitionists have always stoked fear in their attempts to control. They have always lied and misrepresented data. They have always attempted to gain more power.

    The so called opioid epidemic is the modern equivalent to reefer madness or blacks seducing white women. It is a farce used to control people.
    “The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” --George Orwell

    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
    Who else in public life has called for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea?--Donald Trump

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    Freedom of choice means exactly what it says.

    He wants Oxycontin. Ought he be limited to Kratom and Cannabis?

    My tooth hurts. Ought I be limited to Oxycodone and Motrin?

    That was my point.

    I haven't seen a doctor in many years. You know why? They spit in my face with their extremely limited pain treatment options that they'd prescribe. You know why they were afraid to prescribe me oxycodone or hydrocodone? Because of the DEA.

    I should be able to walk into a store and buy oxycodone, cannabis, kratom, cocaine, or any other substance I so wish to choose.
    Yeah, you should but that doesn't negate the fact that Big pHARMa/CIA are setting the rules. The key here is to make people aware of this corruption. You have to strike at the root, before you can get people to understand that we are all patsies and pawns in the drug war.

    The drug war has been an epic fail for the citizens, but has been a jackpot for the globalists.

    One of the reasons I promote alternatives remedies and medicine. However, they are coming after us now. Because they stand to lose a lot of money if people wake up!
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    I largely don't disagree. I don't think many things people dabble in as being good for them. I largely refuse medication and have been healthy enough all the same.

    The point is: should they be able to ingest what they want to?

    There is a government disseminated rumor that there is a flood of opioids. An epidemic, even.

    I would say that when single pills cost $60 dollars a piece and one pill might last half a day, that there is quite obviously a disparity in supply versus demand.
    The only "epidemic" is the desire to be medicated.. market

    The means ,, are being deliberately restricted.. supply

    Limited available= profit.


    is that easy enough to understand.. The Government Runs The Drug Trade
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

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    #DOJ Fires a Shot Across #BigPharma's Bow
    Wrong Shot. or perhaps a show of friendly fire.

    Point at Opium to take attention off SSRIs..
    most don't know anything about anything and will believe whatever they are told.

    Go after Big Pharma in a show,,but leave the Mind Control Program alone.



    but they wouldn't do anything like that,,, /sarc
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom



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