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    Packed Primary May Let Superdelegates Screw Progressives Again

    California Representative Eric Swalwell announced his candidacy for president on The Late Show with Stephen Colbert last night, bringing the total number of Americans demanding that Eric Swalwell run for president to exactly one.

    It also brings the total number of candidates officially running for the Democratic Party presidential nomination to a whopping 18.
    If you don’t remember Swalwell from his controversial tweet last year claiming that the US government could use nuclear weapons on Americans who revolted if their guns were outlawed, you may remember him from his relentless promotion of demented Russiagate conspiracy theories, or from his general foaming-at-the-mouth hawkishness toward Russia. Swalwell has openly admitted that he supports an agenda to “isolate Russia from the rest of the world” using economic warfare, and that he sees the alleged 2016 Russian election interference as “an act of war”.
    Swalwell joins another recent addition to the presidential race, Ohio Representative Tim Ryan, as a generic white guy with no redeeming features and nothing distinctive about himself as a politician besides virulent hatred of Russians. Ryan’s official campaign launch speech included a completely gratuitous Red Scare diatribe in which he blamed Russians for the divisiveness which has overtaken political discourse in America.
    “Our enemies come into our social media, and they intentionally try to divide us”: Rep. Tim Ryan warns about Russian interference in national news coverage while launching his 2020 campaign https://t.co/DVSQKyrxfZ pic.twitter.com/PEBfWjKZJq
    — CBS News (@CBSNews) April 6, 2019
    “We have broken systems in our country that we’ve failed to fix because we’re divided,” Ryan said during his campaign announcement. “And I want you to know that our enemies come into our social media, and they intentionally try to divide us. If there is an incident in America that’s controversial — about kneeling for the National Anthem or there’s a school shooting or there’s an incident between a cop and a kid — you know who comes on to our social media? The Russians. OK? I want you to hear this. The Russians. They come into our social media and they spin things to get us into these divided camps so that we’re fighting with each other. That’s what they want. And meanwhile, we can’t get our economy going. Meanwhile, we can’t get a healthcare system that works.”
    Nobody anywhere actually wants either of these people to run for president. From the hemp-wearingest, Phish-listeningest lefty to the pussyhat-wearingest, Maddow-worshippingest centrist in America, nobody wants to see that $#@!. But it’s happening anyway. For some reason, we’re seeing candidates continually piling onto the Democratic primary race, and piling and piling and piling, even if nobody wants them to.
    Why is this? In the last primary there was Hillary, Bernie, and three whatever guys who were only there to make Clinton’s coronation look less like a coronation. Now it’s likely that there will be more than twenty candidates when all the hats are thrown in. What’s going on here?
    Well, a big part of it is surely because there are a lot of politicians eager to score political points by taking swings at a despised US president on the national stage. But there is also another factor at play here, and I’d like to lend my voice to the task of drawing more attention to it.
    US progressives should be acutely aware of this, FYI. The new restrictions placed on superdelegates only excludes them from the first ballot; if there are too many candidates to establish a clear winner, superdelegates get to come in and pick Biden or Kamala. https://t.co/4Lk87vKhSd
    — Caitlin Johnstone ⏳ (@caitoz) April 9, 2019
    Superdelegates are an elite group of insiders within the Democratic Party whose votes during the primary count way more than those of rank-and-file primary voters, comprising a fifth of total delegates won during the election despite there only being 764 of them. Until the rules were changed last year, candidates have had to vie for both the pledged delegates awarded to them when they win contests in each state, and the unpledged superdelegates who are free to go to whomever they please at the time of the Democratic National Convention. This system was put in place to ensure that Democratic Party insiders would have the ability to keep the riff raff from nominating an unauthorized candidate. As Debbie Wasserman Schultz explained to Jake Tapper back in 2016, “Unpledged delegates exist really to make sure that party leaders and elected officials don’t have to be in a position where they are running against grassroots activists.”
    Progressives were elated last August when they were able to push the DNC to make changes to its rules for superdelegates, barring them from voting in the first ballot and only allowing them to come into the process if a candidate fails to secure a clear majority of delegates (meaning more than half of all delegates, not just having more than any other candidate). This was seen as a major victory, because in the last primary superdelegates were used to dishonestly sell the narrative to Democratic voters that Hillary Clinton was the only candidate who could win in the generals by creating the illusion that Clinton had a far greater lead than she actually did, from the very beginning of the primary. Despite being admonished not to by the DNC itself, Clinton-friendly media outlets infuriated progressives by counting in the total delegate count the votes of superdelegates who’d said they planned to vote for Clinton in at the Democratic National Convention, despite their not yet having voted, thus creating the illusion that Clinton was winning the primary by a very wide margin and making Sanders look unelectable.
    But it turns out that superdelegates may end up being far more influential during this primary than ever before, because of the large number of primary candidates. A packed primary will make it very difficult for any candidate to secure a clear majority, thus enabling party insiders to come in after the first ballot and crown a candidate whose platform reflects the interests of the Democratic establishment, like Joe Biden, Kamala Harris or Beto O’Rourke.

    More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...ressives-again
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    Neoconservatives are on the verge of dominating the Democrat Party. Welcome back to the Scoop Jackson Democrat Party! Trotskyites celebrate!
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    Whackadoodle party . Hopefully another dozen and a half crawl out of the roach holes .
    Do something Danke

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    This guy won't even make it to the Iowa Caucus.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

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    This is going to be such an amazing $#@!show. I can't wait!
    "I shall bring justice to Westeros. Every man shall reap what he has sown, from the highest lord to the lowest gutter rat. They have made my kingdom bleed, and I do not forget that."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm View Post
    This is going to be such an amazing $#@!show. I can't wait!
    LOL at these white male cucks joining in not realizing their own party despises them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    LOL at these white male cucks joining in not realizing their own party despises them.
    Someone should remind the majority of democrats who favor Joe Biden in the early polls. Its Biden, Sanders and O'Rorke. The closest non white, non male candidate is Kamala Harris at a distant 4th.

    Btw, anyone else been listening to Andrew Yang? the man is amazing. Yes, he supports UBI, net neutrality, more gun control and climate change action but other than those awful positions, he is right on just about every other thing else. If he gets the nomination, I think I might vote for him

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Someone should remind the majority of democrats who favor Joe Biden in the early polls. Its Biden, Sanders and O'Rorke. The closest non white, non male candidate is Kamala Harris at a distant 4th.

    Btw, anyone else been listening to Andrew Yang? the man is amazing. Yes, he supports UBI, net neutrality, more gun control and climate change action but other than those awful positions, he is right on just about every other thing else. If he gets the nomination, I think I might vote for him
    I didn't say the voters despise them, I said the party does. eg: the attacks against biden that have been out there for years and just now are finally getting aired by fellow democrats, despite him having actually run for president in the past.



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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    I didn't say the voters despise them, I said the party does. eg: the attacks against biden that have been out there for years and just now are finally getting aired by fellow democrats, despite him having actually run for president in the past.
    First of all, its not the party apparatus that is making the charges against Biden, its a member of the party who he creeped out and this is not coming because he is white. He just happened to start to run when the #metoo and #believeallwomen is going on. This idea that democrat establishment which is made up of mainly white people hate their white colleagues is greatly overstated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    First of all, its not the party apparatus that is making the charges against Biden, its a member of the party who he creeped out and this is not coming because he is white. He just happened to start to run when the #metoo and #believeallwomen is going on. This idea that democrat establishment which is made up of mainly white people hate their white colleagues is greatly overstated.
    Its not just one member anymore and its not just the touchy thing either any longer. And its not overstated, bunch of self-loathers in the party too. agree to disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    First of all, its not the party apparatus that is making the charges against Biden, its a member of the party who he creeped out and this is not coming because he is white. He just happened to start to run when the #metoo and #believeallwomen is going on. This idea that democrat establishment which is made up of mainly white people hate their white colleagues is greatly overstated.
    I hope he does run as the nominee... Please help get him in there. For 8 years they did everything they could to keep him AWAY from a microphone. Every time he got a hold of one he stuck his foot in his mouth. This is a very very welcome thing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATruepatriot View Post
    I hope he does run as the nominee... Please help get him in there. For 8 years they did everything they could to keep him AWAY from a microphone. Every time he got a hold of one he stuck his foot in his mouth. This is a very very welcome thing...
    I think many in the establishment want him to run but I think age and this recent mini scandal is going to dissuade him from ever jumping in. I really want the best a democrat can offer to win. Tulsi or hopefully Andrew Yang. I hope they don't repeat the Hillary mistake next time around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    I think many in the establishment want him to run but I think age and this recent mini scandal is going to dissuade him from ever jumping in. I really want the best a democrat can offer to win. Tulsi or hopefully Andrew Yang. I hope they don't repeat the Hillary mistake next time around.
    Thank you... So you have no Libertarian values and you are a strict party line Socialist Communist then? If so then I would like to point out that in the bigger picture you have no skin in the game when discussing Libertarianism or even the concept of "freedom".

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATruepatriot View Post
    I hope he does run as the nominee... Please help get him in there. For 8 years they did everything they could to keep him AWAY from a microphone. Every time he got a hold of one he stuck his foot in his mouth. This is a very very welcome thing...
    I dunno about that. He was very polished in the debates in 2007; very convincing. IMHO, he is probably the only one that could beat Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATruepatriot View Post
    Thank you... So you have no Libertarian values and you are a strict party line Socialist Communist then? If so then I would like to point out that in the bigger picture you have no skin in the game when discussing Libertarianism or even the concept of "freedom".
    So because I want the best democrat candidate to win means that I have no libertarian values? I would like to ask you, who would you rather see win the democrat primaries?
    Some people want the worst so that Trump can coast in for another easy win but what if that worst actually wins? Andrew Yang unlike Bernie doesn't support the green new deal, minimum wage, free college etc and is the first democrat that I have ever seen that promises to reduce the deficit. Listen to the man speak and you will see that he is no cookie cutter non thinking democrat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    I dunno about that. He was very polished in the debates in 2007; very convincing. IMHO, he is probably the only one that could beat Trump.
    Puppet, robot with a speech writer like them all. "Do NOT deviate Joe! Do not extrapolate Joe!". I just watched him speak on a closed satellite feed and I can guarantee they WILL never show that speech. It was absolutely sad... The man is brain dead.



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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    So because I want the best democrat candidate to win means that I have no libertarian values? I would like to ask you, who would you rather see win the democrat primaries?
    Some people want the worst so that Trump can coast in for another easy win but what if that worst actually wins? Andrew Yang unlike Bernie doesn't support the green new deal, minimum wage, free college etc and is the first democrat that I have ever seen that promises to reduce the deficit. Listen to the man speak and you will see that he is no cookie cutter non thinking democrat.
    It has nothing to do with Trump. I do not approve of everything he does or has done. But I do recognize the very real implementation of Communism as the end goal from the left as the biggest threat to this country. This started in 1965 with Cloward Piven and is now just coming to fruit as the communist agenda. Now if you are not intelligent enough to see this reality you need some serious education. You are either dishonest or you are allowing yourself to be played in ignorance. From what I see you have none of the values of economics and freedom "Ron Paul" has been sharing since he started in politics. You are either too young or too foolish and ignorant to have a clue how it really works. What you promote right now has an end goal of outright communism and I think you know this...

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    So because I want the best democrat candidate to win means that I have no libertarian values? I would like to ask you, who would you rather see win the democrat primaries?
    Some people want the worst so that Trump can coast in for another easy win but what if that worst actually wins? Andrew Yang unlike Bernie doesn't support the green new deal, minimum wage, free college etc and is the first democrat that I have ever seen that promises to reduce the deficit. Listen to the man speak and you will see that he is no cookie cutter non thinking democrat.
    I can smell the PM's flying...

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    I dunno about that. He was very polished in the debates in 2007; very convincing. IMHO, he is probably the only one that could beat Trump.
    I'd wager that if Biden was the nominee during the last election, he would have beat Trump. After seeing his recent mini scandal I'd say hes got no chance at all.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATruepatriot View Post
    It has nothing to do with Trump. I do not approve of everything he does or has done. But I do recognize the very real implementation of Communism as the end goal from the left as the biggest threat to this country. This started in 1965 with Cloward Piven and is now just coming to fruit as the communist agenda. Now if you are not intelligent enough to see this reality you need some serious education. You are either dishonest or you are allowing yourself to be played in ignorance. From what I see you have none of the values of economics and freedom "Ron Paul" has been sharing since he started in politics. You are either too young or too foolish and ignorant to have a clue how it really works. What you promote right now has an end goal of outright communism and I think you know this...
    True, it has nothing to do with Trump. But I would still prefer the best democrat to run against an imaginary Ron Paul president if that was the case. I don't understand the point u make about the road to communism when say a Biden, Sanders or Warren is far worse than a Tulsi or Yang. Don't get me wrong, Ron Paul is still my #1 and Rand a clear 2nd. None of those options will be available come 2020 so why not use those 2 as a sort of insurance to a possible Sanders presidency?

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    I think many in the establishment want him to run but I think age and this recent mini scandal is going to dissuade him from ever jumping in. I really want the best a democrat can offer to win. Tulsi or hopefully Andrew Yang. I hope they don't repeat the Hillary mistake next time around.
    They will get an equally bad candidate as the past .
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    They will get an equally bad candidate as the past .
    So what do you think about Yang? would u consider his nomination a bad choice. Actually from the people we have so far, which candidates would you consider to be tolerable if any?

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    So what do you think about Yang? would u consider his nomination a bad choice. Actually from the people we have so far, which candidates would you consider to be tolerable if any?
    Real Dem contenders are going to need to be in top three in first two states . That is a short list of horrible people .
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    Real Dem contenders are going to need to be in top three in first two states . That is a short list of horrible people .
    I was hoping for a name, so are you saying that any one who makes it to the top 3 are automatically horrible?



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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    I was hoping for a name, so are you saying that any one who makes it to the top 3 are automatically horrible?
    Well that will be Bernie , Biden , Harris , Warren etc and yes , horrible .
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    True, it has nothing to do with Trump. But I would still prefer the best democrat to run against an imaginary Ron Paul president if that was the case. I don't understand the point u make about the road to communism when say a Biden, Sanders or Warren is far worse than a Tulsi or Yang. Don't get me wrong, Ron Paul is still my #1 and Rand a clear 2nd. None of those options will be available come 2020 so why not use those 2 as a sort of insurance to a possible Sanders presidency?
    You need some history then... and you would understand EXACTLY what I am speaking of. The chain of cause and effect started right after WWII. It has lead to where we are with the Democratic party end goals right now. Now before I go to days worth of work to present this fact, would you have the integrity to try and understand it with an objective mind? And admit that you may have misunderstood it and could have been wrong? Or will the firewall stay up and I will be just wasting my time? Anyone who promotes more Socialism and Globalism and less Meritocracy is in the game to bring about Communism as the final end goal. You cannot claim to support Ron Paul's ideology and support the democratic party and if you support those who would bring this global communism as our end. Because this is THE LAST THING he would allow to happen. He was not a Libertarian registered as a democrat socialist... He was a Libertarian registered as a Republican for very good reason. And it wasn't political... It was ideological.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATruepatriot View Post
    You need some history then... and you would understand EXACTLY what I am speaking of. The chain of cause and effect started right after WWII. It has lead to where we are with the Democratic party end goals right now. Now before I go to days worth of work to present this fact, would you have the integrity to try and understand it with an objective mind? And admit that you may have misunderstood it and could have been wrong? Or will the firewall stay up and I will be just wasting my time? Anyone who promotes more Socialism and Globalism and less Meritocracy is in the game to bring about Communism as the final end goal. You cannot claim to support Ron Paul's ideology and support the democratic party and if you support those who would bring this global communism as our end. Because this is THE LAST THING he would allow to happen. He was not a Libertarian registered as a democrat socialist... He was a Libertarian registered as a Republican for very good reason. And it wasn't political... It was ideological.
    Ron Paul was libertarian leaning but beside that, I am not choosing Yang. All I am saying is that he appears to be the least evil on the dem side and I would prefer he face up with Trump rather than a Sanders.

    I used to have this quote in my sig.

    "Evil is evil, greater, lesser, middling, it makes no difference. The degree's arbitrary, the definition's blurred. If I'm to choose between one evil and another, I'd rather not choose at all."

    Because I try my best not to choose evil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Ron Paul was libertarian leaning but beside that, I am not choosing Yang. All I am saying is that he appears to be the least evil on the dem side and I would prefer he face up with Trump rather than a Sanders.

    I used to have this quote in my sig.

    "Evil is evil, greater, lesser, middling, it makes no difference. The degree's arbitrary, the definition's blurred. If I'm to choose between one evil and another, I'd rather not choose at all."

    Because I try my best not to choose evil.
    Yet you support the dem side. Please prove where Trump has gone so wrong so far other than the unproven bull$#@! you hear in the MSM, and from the communist heads who are manipulating and exploiting the ignorant masses. Results speak louder than words...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATruepatriot View Post
    Yet you support the dem side. Please prove where Trump has gone so wrong so far other than the unproven bull$#@! you hear in the MSM, and from the communist heads who are manipulating and exploiting the ignorant masses. Results speak louder than words...
    Its not like the opposition is some libertarian stalwart, Yang has enough good stuff about him that he might actually be an improvement to the current president. This is all I am saying

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