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    SCOTUS legalizes state sports gambling

    I haven't read the ruling yet but it was long anticipated that SCOTUS would allow sports gambling. If the ruling is based on 10th Amendment grounds, which it likely is, that opens the door to a lot of state's rights being restored. Drugs/cannabis, gun laws, possibly abortion and other social issues.

    Since the Fed's ability to print unlimited money for export under the petrodollar standard is ending, states will have to find new revenue sources in the near future, including sports gambling.

    CNBC article about sports gambling ruling in particular:
    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/14/us-s...s-betting.html
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book



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    Haven't read the opinion yet; seems like a mixed bag:

    "The legalization of sports gambling requires an important policy choice, but the choice is not ours to make. Congress can regulate sports gambling directly, but if it elects not to do so, each state is free to act on its own," Justice Samuel Alito wrote in the majority opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Haven't read the opinion yet; seems like a mixed bag:
    What is the mixed part?
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    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Haven't read the opinion yet; seems like a mixed bag:
    The legal foundation is where it all starts. No different than when FDR stacked SCOTUS way back then to push through the framework for the New Deal and eventual UCCifying of commerce in America (Erie Railroad v. Thompkins). Congress can choose to act on something. Means they can also choose not to. This is why we see more and more talk about, for example, reclassifying/declassification of cannabis, Boehner and Schumer publicly supporting medical cannabis, etc. It's one example but is a sign of things to come. States will need things like more open cannabis markets for tax revenue and job creation.

    Of course, Trumptards will hail Trump as the restorer of state's rights but those with deeper understanding know he's just the puppet that takes credit for things he had precisely nothing to do with. He's just the PR guy.

    Don't underestimate the impact of this ruling going forward.
    Last edited by devil21; 05-14-2018 at 12:20 PM.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    The legal foundation is where it all starts. No different than when FDR stacked SCOTUS way back then to push through the framework for the New Deal and eventual UCCifying of commerce in America. Congress can choose to act on something. Means they can also choose not to. This is why we see more and more talk about, for example, reclassifying/declassification of cannabis, Boehner and Schumer publicly supporting medical cannabis, etc. It's one example but is a sign of things to come. States will need things like more open cannabis markets for tax revenue and job creation.

    Of course, Trumptards will hail Trump as the restorer of state's rights but those with deeper understanding know he's just the puppet that takes credit for things he had precisely nothing to do with. He's just the PR guy.

    Don't underestimate the impact of this ruling going forward.
    Ahh yes, I can't wait for your explanation about why the deep state wants to start bringing our troops home, and it has nothing to do with Trump, he is just a PR guy
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Ahh yes, I can't wait for your explanation about why the deep state wants to start bringing our troops home, and it has nothing to do with Trump, he is just a PR guy
    Dannno got triggered lol.

    Perhaps you missed the part in the thread where I already told you. The Fed's ability to print money for export around the world is ending. No, all of the troops will not be coming home, since Americans are effectively the NWO military up until all countries are under "western" banker control (last few outliers are underway in Syria, Iran, NK), but some will be coming home. Can't print up money at will for export all over the world, can't run an empire anymore. The US "empire" has been little more than the military arm of the bankers, not really an empire in the classic sense of the term.

    Feel free to ask any questions you may have.
    Last edited by devil21; 05-14-2018 at 10:19 AM.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    What is the mixed part?
    This:
    Congress can regulate sports gambling directly
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    Pinochet is the model
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    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
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    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

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    Pete Rose going to get pardoned.
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    The PASPA Bill of 1992 in question is unconstitutional.
    ` 3702. Unlawful sports gambling
    `It shall be unlawful for--
    `(1) a governmental entity to sponsor, operate, advertise, promote, license,
    or authorize by law or compact, or
    `(2) a person to sponsor, operate, advertise, or promote, pursuant to the
    law or compact of a governmental entity,
    a lottery, sweepstakes, or other betting, gambling, or wagering scheme
    based, directly or indirectly (through the use of geographical references or
    otherwise), on one or more competitive games in which amateur or professional
    athletes participate, or are intended to participate, or on one or more
    performances of such athletes in such games.
    Congress had no authority to my understanding to pass that bill (Article 1 Section 8 & Amendment 10). The bill technically didn't make sports gambling illegal, instead it terminated the initiation of sports gambling in 1993 and said that any violations of the bill could have a civil action suit filed against them to stop the violation. Fancy way of saying sports gambling started after 1993 is illegal.
    Interesting to note, PASPA violations rest on the axiom that any activity can be declared illegal (or whatever jargon they use to pretend it's not illegal), simply because a law is made declaring it so. Sports gambling doesn't violate anyone's liberties that I'm aware of, the government has no power to legislate it. (Compare to other illegal things like possession of marijuana, collecting rainwater, and selling things or partaking in recreational activities without a permit)
    The case yesterday was over New Jersey's ability to repeal its laws banning sports gambling (in the same way some states allow marijuana possession), or essentially, the power of a state to treat a federal law as unconstitutional (nullification, anyone?).
    The basis for the SC decision is that the PASPA bill 'commandeers' the states' power to repeal laws banning gambling. The decision recognizes the states' sovereignty. Since the activity is not prohibited in Article 1 Section 10, the activity is perfectly fine.
    the provision was unconstitutional because “the Constitution does not empower Congress to subject state governments to this type of instruction.”
    Congress can regulate sports gambling directly, but if it elects not to do so, each State is free to act on its own
    Pretty sure Congress doesn't have the power to regulate sports gambling directly (where in Article 1 Section 8?).

    From what I understand of the Supreme Court ruling Murphy v. National Collegiate Athletic Assn., the PASPA bill is defunct. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
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