And down come the monuments to the Confederacy....

[phill4paul]

...almost like it was planned. Move the narrative away from Southern and historic heritage and link it to neo-Nazi's and now there will be no stopping it.
Nashville, Lexington, Baltimore, Jacksonville, Gainseville.

Officials in several states are calling for the removal of public monuments that have become controversial symbols of the Confederacy, driven by the national outcry over the violence in Charlottesville, Va., that erupted on Saturday during a protest organized by white nationalists.

In Nashville on Monday, protesters at the state Capitol demanded the removal of a bust of Nathan Bedford Forrest that sits between the Statehouse and Senate chambers, The Tennessean reported. Forrest, a Confederate general and KKK leader, was involved in an 1864 massacre of black soldiers.

Top Tennessee Democrats asked for its removal in 2015. But the Tennessee Heritage Protection Act, passed in 2016, has made the process more difficult.

Nashville is also home to another statue of Forrest that has been described as “terrifying,” with eyes that glow “like a flesh-eating zombie on bath salts,” as a Washington Post reporter once wrote. Despite efforts to remove it, the statue still stands.

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Anna Lopez Brosche, president of the Jacksonville City Council in Florida, said in a statement on Monday that she is asking the city to take an inventory of all Confederate symbols on public property, and to “develop an appropriate plan of action” to relocate them to places like museums and education institutions.

“It is important to never forget the history of our great city; and, these monuments, memorials, and markers represent a time in our history that caused pain to so many,” she said Monday.

In Maryland, a statue of the former Supreme Court Justice Roger B. Taney, which sits in front of the Statehouse, has drawn ire. Michael E. Busch the House speaker, told The Baltimore Sun on Monday that “it’s the appropriate time to remove it.” Taney is best known for ruling against Dred Scott in 1857, decreeing that blacks couldn’t claim United States citizenship, and therefore couldn’t sue in federal court.

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The mayor of Lexington, Jim Gray, said he would speed up a proposal to remove two Confederate monuments from the city’s former courthouse. Credit Chris Wilson for The New York Times
Mayor Jim Gray of Lexington, Ky., said in a statement on Saturday that plans to move two statues of Confederate figures from the grounds of the former courthouse there were in place before the violence in Charlottesville, in which a 32-year-old woman was killed and at least 34 others were injured. He said what happened there “accelerated the announcement I intended to make next week.”

“We have thoroughly examined this issue, and heard from many of our citizens,” he said.

The statues in question are of John Hunt Morgan, a Confederate general, and John C. Breckinridge, the 14th vice president of the United States who also served as the Confederate secretary of war.

The former courthouse, which has not been used for several years, is scheduled to reopen as a visitors center next year. The proposal under consideration would move the statues to a city park, Veterans Park, according to The Lexington Herald-Leader.

Mr. Gray said the next step was to ask the Lexington-Fayette Urban County Council to support a petition to the Kentucky Military Heritage Commission, which he said was a required step in the process. “Details to come,” he said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/14/u...-kentucky.html

[AngryCanadian]

Bye Bye History. Whats next the removal of Historical monuments in Europe to?

[tod evans]

The Parthenon is offensive.

Do you know how many slaves the Greeks had?

[phill4paul]

When I'm right, I'm right.

Protesters in Durham, N.C. tear down a large Confederate memorial statue

Call it a response to the weekend violence in Charlottesville, Virginia

Protesters in North Carolina posted a video Monday of their tearing down a Confederate memorial, calling it a response to the weekend violence in Charlottesville.

The clip shows a group of at least several dozen in Durham pulling down a statue in front of the local government building.
They can be heard yelling “No KKK! No fascist USA! No Trump!” until cheers break out as the statue atop the memorial gets pulled down.

Several protesters can be seen kicking the statue. There is no indication in the video that any police officers or other officials are trying to stop the public vandalism.

Video at site:http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...te-memorial-s/

Will update when a youtube is posted.

[juleswin]

I guess Americans are uniting alright. Uniting to fight against the Nazis and the confederate statues they love so much. Self awareness is a skill that is most lacking with these sort of group.

Good job Richard Spencer, someone should follow him and maybe they would find him going to collecting his cheque at the Langley, VA office :wink: :wink:

[EBounding]

I think statues in general are weird. These statues aren't history--they're decorations. Put them in a museum and fund them privately. What if they took down the Lincoln memorial? Would anyone here care?

[FunkBuddha]

When I'm right, I'm right.



Video at site:http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...te-memorial-s/

Will update when a youtube is posted.

So now what happens when the other side tears down a statue of MLK or anyone else for that matter? Do they get arrested and charged with vandalism? If so, this will only polarize people more as it becomes more and more apparent that there is a protected class that is above the law. This was a foolish act by both the protesters and the police.

[Antischism]

Hard to care about them taking down monuments on public land that are emblematic of white supremacy and immortalize old, dead racists. They can be preserved in privately owned locations for historical reasons just like we preserve Nazi artifacts.

[nikcers]

I think statues in general are weird. These statues aren't history--they're decorations. Put them in a museum and fund them privately. What if they took down the Lincoln memorial? Would anyone here care?

muh culture

[Swordsmyth]

Hard to care about them taking down monuments on public land that are emblematic of white supremacy and immortalize old, dead racists. They can be preserved in privately owned locations for historical reasons just like we preserve Nazi artifacts.

You are showing your ignorance YANKEE.

[Swordsmyth]

I think statues in general are weird. These statues aren't history--they're decorations. Put them in a museum and fund them privately. What if they took down the Lincoln memorial? Would anyone here care?

Anyone with a brain would cheer, Lincoln was a tyrant.

[tod evans]

Hard to care about them taking down monuments on public land that are emblematic of white supremacy and immortalize old, dead racists. They can be preserved in privately owned locations for historical reasons just like we preserve Nazi artifacts.

So can 'civil rights' memorabilia...

[Antischism]

So can 'civil rights' memorabilia...

Sure, the difference being that one serves to empower a group of people who were historically subjugated and dehumanized, while the other is a living reminder of past horrors. Given the context, I'd say it's probably less of a pressing matter to take down, say, an MLK statue. Not that I care for statues (or the flag for that matter), but it's pretty easy to understand why monuments that symbolize slavery and white supremacy would draw more ire than a statue of a man who preached racial equality.

[Swordsmyth]

Sure, the difference being that one serves to empower a group of people who were historically subjugated and dehumanized, while the other is a living reminder of past horrors. Given the context, I'd say it's probably less of a pressing matter to take down, say, an MLK statue. Not that I care for statues (or the flag for that matter), but it's pretty easy to understand why monuments that symbolize slavery and white supremacy would draw more ire than a statue of a man who preached racial equality.

They symbolize no such thing AntiFA, if you want to educate yourself I suggest you start with these:

From Union to Empire The Political Effects of the Civil war

Causes of Southern Seccession- the Upper South

Causes of Southern Seccession- the Cotton States

[FunkBuddha]

If the public demands that they be removed through election of some sort, then I'm Ok with them being removed. Tearing them down is vandalism.

On a side note, my grandmother's first cousin made the Nathan Bedford Forrest bust in Nashville. I was going through some of the newspaper clippings she had kept and found an article about it less than a month ago.

[heavenlyboy34]

Hard to care about them taking down monuments on public land that are emblematic of white supremacy and immortalize old, dead racists. They can be preserved in privately owned locations for historical reasons just like we preserve Nazi artifacts.

[Noob]

Mount Rushmore is probably on the list.

[Anti Federalist]

Hard to care about them taking down monuments on public land that are emblematic of white supremacy and immortalize old, dead racists. They can be preserved in privately owned locations for historical reasons just like we preserve Nazi artifacts.

They immortalized an effort to walk away from this government.

[juleswin]

You do know "1984" is a work of fiction. But even if it was non fiction, the state cannot destroy/rewrite every book, only some statues are being removed, dates cannot be altered because there are just too many places the with dates of events recorded. The totalitarian world described in 1984 is not what we are facing where removing a statues somehow removes the information about Robert Lee.

Its cool quoting 1984, but this one doesn't apply in our society.

[Anti Federalist]

Its cool quoting 1984, but this one doesn't apply in our society.

Once all human records are in "the cloud", re writing history and sending things permanently down the memory, will be a snap.

[Swordsmyth]

You do know "1984" is a work of fiction. But even if it was non fiction, the state cannot destroy/rewrite every book, only some statues are being removed, dates cannot be altered because there are just too many places the with dates of events recorded. The totalitarian world described in 1984 is not what we are facing where removing a statues somehow removes the information about Robert Lee.

Its cool quoting 1984, but this one doesn't apply in our society.

It can happen here, if the left gains unfettered control of the reigns of government for a long enough time they will indulge their wildest fantasies, we are all that stops them.

[Antischism]

They immortalized an effort to walk away from this government.

To preserve their slave economy. You can't disentangle the two. You can champion secession without glorifying old racists.

[heavenlyboy34]

You do know "1984" is a work of fiction. But even if it was non fiction, the state cannot destroy/rewrite every book, only some statues are being removed, dates cannot be altered because there are just too many places the with dates of events recorded. The totalitarian world described in 1984 is not what we are facing where removing a statues somehow removes the information about Robert Lee.

Its cool quoting 1984, but this one doesn't apply in our society.

Yes, but like many pieces of art, it illustrates a certain truth.There is no denying that there are and always have been people who want to alter or wash historical facts from mass consciousness. (John Taylor Gatto talks about this inhis books and lectures on public schooling. He who controls people's understandingof the past can manipulate how they think about the present andfuture.

[Swordsmyth]

To preserve their slave economy. You can't disentangle the two.

Bunk, I see you didn't read the posts I suggested.

[juleswin]

Once all human records are in "the cloud", re writing history and sending things permanently down the memory, will be a snap.

The proliferation of flash drives and external hard drives assures me that people are still storing their data in hardware. I have the videos of just about every conspiracy theory videos I like, copies of all my pics, still keep hard copy books and I am sure I am not the only person doing this.

At this point in time, it would be almost impossible for the state to change dates of important events. This is because all human record(99% sure of this) will never be stored in the clouds.

[heavenlyboy34]

To preserve their slave economy. You can't disentangle the two.

Among other things. It was an agrarian economy at the time. As even Ron Paul points out, slavery would've died out with automation like it did everywhere else in the first world.

[jllundqu]

They will march a path right to Monticello and Mt. Vernon... simply because they were 'white slave owners'.

[Slave Mentality]

You do know "1984" is a work of fiction. But even if it was non fiction, the state cannot destroy/rewrite every book, only some statues are being removed, dates cannot be altered because there are just too many places the with dates of events recorded. The totalitarian world described in 1984 is not what we are facing where removing a statues somehow removes the information about Robert Lee.

Its cool quoting 1984, but this one doesn't apply in our society.

Counterpoint: The Indian Wars

[heavenlyboy34]

It can happen here, if the left gains unfettered control of the reigns of government for a long enough time they will indulge their wildest fantasies, we are all that stops them.

+rep. Kurwa

[phill4paul]

They will march a path right to Monticello and Mt. Vernon... simply because they were 'white slave owners'.

That's the end game. The Constitution was a racist document therefore it is illegitimate. Bring on full scale Democracy. Death to the Republic.