Should individuals be allowed to refuse a COVID vaccine?"

[pcosmar]

I would suggest that you sit aside and let the lunatics do what they do, and not join them.

I don't think that is going to be an option.. from observations..

not before considerably more shots are fired.

[Contumacious]

Is The Employer Responsible for the adverse effects of the poison he demands?

Of course , the socialists are claiming that demanding an INFORMED CONSENT is lunacy.

Go fig

[r3volution 3.0]

Of course , the socialists are claiming that demanding an INFORMED CONSENT is lunacy.

Go fig

Your objection to socialism?

P.S. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're enthusiastic for the current administration.

So, how on Earth can you object to socialism?

Do you not know what the word means?

Do you not know that the communist manifesto calls for 'centralization of credit in the hands of the state'?

There are no more capital markets in the United States; it is all a function of the central bank fixing prices.

This is the legacy of the soon to be former Trump administration.

Same as the last, same as the next.

So, what socialism are you worried about?

[pcosmar]

I would suggest that you sit aside and let the lunatics do what they do, and not join them.

I will stand with my Like minded Neighbors against the Destructive attackers.

This is what antifa was attacking.

[parocks]

Poll needs more options...

As far as I'm concerned, this question, as with any relating to the business restrictions or the rest of it, comes down to cost-benefit analysis. You have every right to jump off a bridge, but you don't have a right to land on an innocent bystander: and so laws prohibiting jumping off bridges might be justified (not to protect you from yourself in nanny-state fashion, but to prevent you from harming others, as with ordinary laws against robbing, murdering, etc). So, that principle established, is it justifiable to force people to take vaccines? I don't know. It could be, depending on the circumstances. In the long run, if the vaccine is effective (and if it isn't the point is moot), the people who refuse to take it should only be hurting themselves, which is no one else's concern. But, in the shorter term, in the interest of getting this under control, it might be justifiable to forcibly vaccinate people. On the other hand, medical issues aside, if this is going to cause riots and whatnot, that's a cost to take into account as well. If I were covid-dictator, I'd be hard pressed to decide (but then if I were covid-dictator, I'd probably know a lot more about the particulars than I in fact do).

TL;DR - there's no reason to be opposed in principle in every circumstance to mandatory vaccination, but that doesn't mean it's justified here.

TBD

More, or fewer options. Yes or No should work.

We don't live in a free market at all. It's not even close. Libertarian ideal world conditions don't exist, so reasoning based on libertarian ideal world conditions doesn't work.

[kahless]

So says the Gordon Gekko Wing of the LP...

Since Human-individual rights are secondary they should not be called libertarian. I think the elites do this intentionally having it all under one umbrella to ensure the libertarian ideals as a whole never pose a threat to the two party system. It is like that with borders also. They know open borders of non-libertarians make libertarian region impossible, thus we have open border libertarians to protect the two party system.

[69360]

Of course people should be allowed to refuse. We don't and won't live in a country where something is injected in your body at gunpoint.

I won't take it.

[Slave Mentality]

I don't care who "allows" me to do anything. I am going to do what the $#@! I want when it comes to my body. Allow...LOL.

[CCTelander]

Of course individuals shouldn't be "allowed" to refuse. They might get the erroneous idea that they're actually free.

[CCTelander]

I don't care who "allows" me to do anything. I am going to do what the $#@! I want when it comes to my body. Allow...LOL.

See what I mean?

[Origanalist]

Try operating anywhere in the country without various licenses...in 2019.

I like how no one objected to any of this until now (i.e. until it very directly effected them personally).

I've been operating without a licence for over a decade so I don't know who you are referring to.

[Origanalist]

And that Issue is being Displayed in Washington State..

Been to Spiffy's yet?
https://www.king5.com/article/news/h...9-3c11b053ad13

and that is having a cascade effect.

Thats a bit south for me to travel. My time is limited and I'm busy as hell right now. The unregulated sector is off the charts right now.

[tfurrh]

Yes, if Donald Trump demands it.
No, if Joe Biden demands it.

[PAF]

Try operating anywhere in the country without various licenses...in 2019.

I like how no one objected to any of this until now (i.e. until it very directly effected them personally).

I've been operating without a licence for over a decade so I don't know who you are referring to.

+ REP @Origanalist


I haven't registered or had the bike inspected in years. No building, wiring or addition permits, no dog permits, no burning permits, no CCW or gun reg.

It is a shame that people like to theorize and talk about it, or completely dismiss it, but never put it into practice. An Agorist Primer discusses "risk for profit". I generally recommend folks starting on Page 46 to get a practical understanding, and then start back at the beginning @r3volution 3.0.

Oh, and when I buy my smokes, I never go into a regular store, most of that money is tax which goes to the state. So, whenever I can, I Starve the State.

Like everything, the more you do something the easier it gets ;-)

[Contumacious]

Is The Employer Responsible for the adverse effects of the poison he demands?

An employer would be acting as a agent of the federal government and would be therefore IMMUNE from Liability


The HHS Secretary is issuing this amendment pursuant to section 319F-3 of the Public Health Service Act to extend liability immunity for activities related to medical countermeasures against COVID-19 authorized under the Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act.

"The Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness Act (PREP Act) authorizes the Secretary of Health and Human Services (the Secretary) to issue a Declaration to provide liability immunity to certain individuals and entities (Covered Persons) against any claim of loss caused by, arising out of, relating to, or resulting from the manufacture, distribution, administration, or use of medical countermeasures (Covered Countermeasures), except for claims involving “willful misconduct” as defined in the PREP Act. Under the PREP Act, a Declaration may be amended as circumstances warrant."



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[Contumacious]

Your objection to socialism?

P.S. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're enthusiastic for the current administration.

So, how on Earth can you object to socialism?

Do you not know what the word means?

Do you not know that the communist manifesto calls for 'centralization of credit in the hands of the state'?

There are no more capital markets in the United States; it is all a function of the central bank fixing prices.

This is the legacy of the soon to be former Trump administration.

Same as the last, same as the next.

So, what socialism are you worried about?

As per usual you are WRONG


WE THE PEOPLE are being asked to elect a President

the choices that we have are

Trump

and Biden


Neither one is a Libertarian,


So the question before me is WHICH ONE WILL CAUSE THE ****LEAST**** AMOUNT OF DAMAGE

Donald J Trump is the answer.
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As Libertarians we must use our political supremacy to wrest by degree all power from the central government and remove all instruments of production from the state.

[PAF]

As per usual you are WRONG


WE THE PEOPLE are being asked to elect a President

the choices that we have are

Trump

and Biden


Neither one is a Libertarian,


So the question before me is WHICH ONE WILL CAUSE THE ****LEAST**** AMOUNT OF DAMAGE

Donald J Trump is the answer.
.


As Libertarians we must use our political supremacy to wrest by degree all power from the central government and remove all instruments of production from the state.

So if I am walking along the street and happen to encounter 1. A bucket of pig sh|t 2. A bucket of donkey sh|t - I should pick one to take home with me instead of leaving both behind?

LOL I have not given my CONSENT since 2012 and I have no plans to start again. I'll let the statists figure out whether they CONSENT to Communism or Fascism.

[Origanalist]

+ REP @Origanalist


I haven't registered or had the bike inspected in years. No building, wiring or addition permits, no dog permits, no burning permits, no CCW or gun reg.

It is a shame that people like to theorize and talk about it, or completely dismiss it, but never put it into practice. An Agorist Primer discusses "risk for profit". I generally recommend folks starting on Page 46 to get a practical understanding, and then start back at the beginning @r3volution 3.0.

Oh, and when I buy my smokes, I never go into a regular store, most of that money is tax which goes to the state. So, whenever I can, I Starve the State.

Like everything, the more you do something the easier it gets ;-)

https://www.tedtobacco.com/tobacco-s...ll-flavor.html https://www.tedtobacco.com/tubes-306/all-tubes https://www.amazon.com/Powermatic-El...H59QVRNR22MQBB

[oyarde]

Yes, if Donald Trump demands it.
No, if Joe Biden demands it.

I decline even if harris - pelosi - schumer demand it. If ever there was a body that is sacred it is this one .

[oyarde]

As a public service tip for PAF , donkey $#@! does not smell as bad as pig $#@! but pigs taste better .

[PAF]

https://www.tedtobacco.com/tobacco-s...ll-flavor.html https://www.tedtobacco.com/tubes-306/all-tubes https://www.amazon.com/Powermatic-El...H59QVRNR22MQBB

I used to roll all the time, and that is actually economical for folks who don't have other options :-)

A couple hour drive to the Indian Reservation gets me a carton of bagged rolled cigarettes for $12. I typically buy 12 cartons for $144, and no money goes to the state; Indian Reservations are exempt

[PAF]

As a public service tip for PAF , donkey $#@! does not smell as bad as pig $#@! but pigs taste better .

I loves me my pig! As for munching ass, I do have high standards (unless I am drunk) ;-)

[Contumacious]

So if I am walking along the street and happen to encounter 1. A bucket of pig sh|t 2. A bucket of donkey sh|t - I should pick one to take home with me instead of leaving both behind?

LOL I have not given my CONSENT since 2012 and I have no plans to start again. I'll let the statists figure out whether they CONSENT to Communism or Fascism.

Yet more irrational irrelevant nonsense.

A Libertarian having to cope in a non Libertarian world does not a statist make.

Most Americans love the gargantuan welfare/warfare police state.

An ASTUTE Libertarian finds a way to survive in those treacherous waters. As long as I have a choice to elect my tormentor I will choose he/she who is less tyrannical towards me and mine.

Just as a Jew survived in Nazi Germany by denying his religion.

I failed to see the benefits of self immolation- but to each his own.


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[PAF]

Yet more irrational irrelevant nonsense.

A Libertarian having to cope in a non Libertarian world does not a statist make.

Most Americans love the gargantuan welfare/warfare police state.

An ASTUTE Libertarian finds a way to survive in those treacherous waters. As long as I have a choice to elect my tormentor I will choose he/she who is less tyrannical towards me and mine.

Just as a Jew survived in Nazi Germany by denying his religion.

I failed to see the benefits of self immolation- but to each his own.


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Statism
noun
the principle or policy of concentrating extensive economic, political, and related controls in the state at the cost of individual liberty


Agorism
a social philosophy that advocates creating a society in which all relations between people are voluntary exchanges by means of counter-economics


I Do Not Consent to Communism or Fascism, therefore, I will not pick lessers of evil. That would violate my principles, as well as initiating force against others.


An Agorist Primer

[r3volution 3.0]

I've been operating without a licence for over a decade so I don't know who you are referring to.

+ REP @Origanalist


I haven't registered or had the bike inspected in years. No building, wiring or addition permits, no dog permits, no burning permits, no CCW or gun reg.

It is a shame that people like to theorize and talk about it, or completely dismiss it, but never put it into practice. An Agorist Primer discusses "risk for profit". I generally recommend folks starting on Page 46 to get a practical understanding, and then start back at the beginning @r3volution 3.0.

Oh, and when I buy my smokes, I never go into a regular store, most of that money is tax which goes to the state. So, whenever I can, I Starve the State.

Like everything, the more you do something the easier it gets ;-)

Are there any costs or risks involved in violating the law?

If not, then I suppose one can live just as well in North Korea as in Switzerland, since the legal differences are irrelevant?

[Anti Globalist]

Why would anybody take a vaccine that is 95% effective over an illness that has a 99% recovery rating?

[Origanalist]

Are there any costs or risks involved in violating the law?

If not, then I suppose one can live just as well in North Korea as in Switzerland, since the legal differences are irrelevant?

"The law" is constantly and forever being violated by those that would rule over us, why should their status be exalted over mine? Does not their $#@! also stink? Do they not bleed when cut?

[r3volution 3.0]

"The law" is constantly and forever being violated by those that would rule over us, why should their status be exalted over mine? Does not their $#@! also stink? Do they not bleed when cut?

I didn't ask if the laws are just, or if it's good that the lawmakers are hypocrites; I asked if ignoring the law is actually a solution to the problem.

[r3volution 3.0]

Why would anybody take a vaccine that is 95% effective over an illness that has a 99% recovery rating?

If the other 5% of the vaccine is a week's discomfort, while the other 1% of the virus is death by slow choking, that may provide the motive.

[Origanalist]

I didn't ask if the laws are just, or if it's good that the lawmakers are hypocrites; I asked if ignoring the law is actually a solution to the problem.

Ask the people who make and break them. I'm just a guy minding my own business.