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    Exclamation Satellite images reveal activity at NK rocket facility; Nuke missile fears as tremors detected

    The Russian report if confirmed as non-fakenews may deal a fatal blow to media's "Russia collusion" narrative.


    Russian experts label Trump 'CLOWN' after failed North Korea nuclear summit with Kim Jong

    RUSSIAN experts branded Donald Trump a “clown” after the US President's disastrous Vietnam summit with North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un.

    Mar 8, 2019
    Trump Kim Summit: 'No agreement was reached' says Trump

    Vladimir Putin’s state-run media praised the brutal North Korean leader following failed negotiations on denuclearisation, but was left ridiculing Mr Trump. The US president failed to win concessions from Kim Jong-un over scrapping nuclear weapons during this week’s Hanoi summit. Yesterday, South Korean intelligence agencies said they had detected signs North Korea is ramping a missile launch site it was dismantling dismantle after the first summit with Mr Trump in 2018.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...-failed-russia




    Satellite images reveal activity at North Korean rocket facility

    By Will Ripley, CNN
    Updated 12:32 AM ET, Sat March 9, 2019



    (CNN)Satellite images suggest that North Korea could be preparing to launch a missile or space rocket in the near future, analysts said Friday, in a move that is likely to be interpreted as a blow to US-North Korea relations.

    The commercial images, taken on February 22 by imaging company DigitalGlobe, reveal an uptick in activity at a facility in Sanumdong, a suburb of the capital Pyongyang. North Korea has previously assembled some of its intercontinental ballistic missiles and satellite-launching rockets at Sanumdong.

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/08/asia/...ity/index.html


    North Korea earthquake: Fresh nuclear missile fears as tremors detected after 'mine explosion'

    'Artificial' seismic activity thought to have been caused by explosion in mine


    • Chris Baynes
    • 11 hours ago

    The Independent

    An “artificial” earthquake has reportedly been detected in North Korea.
    The 2.1-magnitude seismic activity is thought to have been caused by an explosion in a mine, according to the Korea Meteorological Administration.
    The earthquake’s epicentre was measured near ground level in the mining town of Pyongyang on Thursday, reported the Korea Times.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8813426.html



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    Any signs of yellow cake?

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    Will the left celebrate?
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    Early reporting can be foggy/inaccurate/incomplete, let's wait till all the facts come out.

    Hopefully it won't come to that and NK's dictator won't force MAGA to recycle old tweets.



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    It's a Satellite of Love

    North Korea's Game Plan And Its Upcoming Satellite Launch

    John Bolton won. After a short period of calm and talks between the U.S. and North Korea both sides are again walking towards a conflict. But one important thing changed.

    The recent talks between President Donald Trump and Chairman Kim Jong-un in Hanoi failed when the U.S. overplayed its hand. In his New Year speech Kim had already warned that he was ready to take a "new way" if such a problem would occur. As we wrote:

    History shows that North Korea has always gamed out such talks. It is always prepared to let them fail and it is ready to take the next step whenever that happens. The "new way" may well allude to some new weapon that North Korea is ready to test. Cruise missiles are a possible candidate.

    There are no cruise missiles (yet) but a satellite launch that is supposed to pressure Trump to come back to the table:

    Commercial satellite imagery from March 6 of North Korea’s Sohae Satellite Launching Station (Tongchang-ri) indicates construction to rebuild the launch pad and engine test stand that began before the Hanoi Summit has continued at a rapid pace. Given that construction plus activity at other areas of the site, Sohae appears to have returned to normal operational status.

    There are also signs of new activity at the Sanumdong missile factory which produces both, space launchers as well as ballistic missiles.

    The U.S. media turn the upcoming space launch into another scare stories about North Korea. Quoting the usual anti-Korean 'experts' NBCNews writes:

    North Korea is pursuing the "rapid rebuilding" of the long-range rocket site at Sohae Launch Facility, according to new commercial imagery and an analysis from the researchers at Beyond Parallel. Sohae Satellite Launching Station, North Korea's only operational space launch facility, has been used in the past for satellite launches. These launches use similar technology to what is used for intercontinental ballistic missiles.
    ...
    "The activity they are undertaking now is consistent with preparations for a test, though the imagery thus far does not show a missile being moved to the launch pad," Victor Cha, one of the authors of the report, said.

    "The activity on the ground," Cha said, "shows us that they do have a (nuclear intercontinental ballistic missile) capability that is not just developmental, but in the prototype phase. They've already tested a few of these and it looks like they're preparing the launch pad for another act."

    The highlighted phrases are false. They are war propaganda. Ballistic missiles use different technologies than space launchers:

    An ICBM requires a short burn-time of the rocket engines in order to minimize gravitational losses and the risk of early interception in boost-phase by anti-ballistic missile (ABM) systems. The typical ICBM rocket motor burn time is about 180-320 seconds. The Unha-3 boost-phase is estimated at to be between 550-570 seconds.

    Ballistic missiles usually have different motors than space launch vehicles. There are also different structural issues, differences in the control systems, different launch trajectories. See here, here and here. Most significantly ballistic missiles need to reenter the atmosphere to deliver their payload. It is only there that North Korea still has problems using them. Space launch vehicles are unsuitable to test the reentry phase.

    Moreover the Sohae facility has never been used to launch ballistic missiles. For geographic reasons it is exclusively used for space launches.

    To understand why North Korea is using this satellite launch to maybe bring the U.S. back to the table we have to go back to the negotiations between the two parties.
    Before the first summit between Trump and Kim in Singapore both sides agreed that the U.S. would freeze large scale maneuvers in and around Korea while North Korea would stop ballistic missile testing as well as nuclear tests. This 'freeze for freeze' agreement was held up since. Trump recently reconfirmed that no large maneuvers would take place.

    North Korea would like to keep the 'freeze for freeze' agreement alive. A satellite launch is not contrary to that agreement. Unfortunately some U.S. officials, i.e. John Bolton, and North Korea hawks like Victor Cha may well want to use a satellite launch to declare it dead.

    The first summit ended with a signed Joint Statement, a sequenced four step agreement in which the U.S. promised to lift some sanctions (1) and an end to the state of war (2) while North Korea commited "to work towards complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula" (3) and to recover remains of U.S. personal killed during the Korea war (4).

    Trump had asked for and was granted an additional personal favor. Kim promised Trump to blow up North Korea's nuclear test tunnels and to dismantle a missile engine test stand. He fulfilled both but is now walking back on the second point.

    The U.S. has not fulfilled its side of the bargain. The Trump administration still demands the "full denuclearization" of North Korea before the lifting of sanctions. That position contradicts the Joint Statement. It is also utterly delusional. North Korea never agreed to and will never agree to completely denuclearize. The best deal the U.S. can get (pdf) is one that limits the extend of North Korea's nuclear arsenal and prevents the proliferation of its nuclear technology. The logic is simple:

    North Korea has the bomb. This is how deterrence works. If Saddam Hussein or Muammar al-Qaddafi had finished their bombs, they’d both likely still be around.

    During the recent summit in Hanoi North Korea offered to destroy its largest nuclear complex which includes the Yongbyon reactor used to make plutonium and an uranium enrichment site. As a "corresponding measure" it demanded the lifting of those sanctions that most directly hurt its people. But the U.S. side was not willing to take that deal:

    With Trump preparing to leave the hotel, North Korean Vice Minister of Foreign Affairs Choe Son-hui hurriedly brought the US delegation a message from Kim, two senior administration officials and a person briefed on the matter said. The message amounted to a last-ditch attempt by the North Koreans to reach a deal on some sanctions relief in exchange for dismantling the Yongbyon nuclear complex. US and North Korean officials had been haggling over a shared definition of the sprawling, three-square-mile [Yongbyon] site and the last-minute overture sought to advance the North Koreans' proposal for dismantling it. But the message did not make clear whether the North Koreans shared the US's expansive definition of the facility and US officials asked for clarity.
    Choe rushed back to get an answer. Kim replied that it included everything on the site.

    But even when Choe returned with that response, the US delegation was unimpressed and didn't want to resume the negotiations. Within hours, Trump would be wheels up for Washington.

    "We had to have more than that," Trump said when asked about Yongbyon before leaving Hanoi. "We had to have more than that because there are other things that you haven't talked about, that you haven't written about, that we found."

    The destruction of the Yongbyon complex in exchange for the lifting of some sanctions would have been a great deal. The U.S. blew it.

    In a press conference the Foreign Minister of North Korea Ri Yong-ho declared that this was the best deal the U.S. would get. He said the North Korea expected "corresponding measures" to be taken by the U.S. in exchange for the destruction of Yongbyon but that the U.S. was unwilling to offer any.

    In a later interview the Vice Foreign Minister Choe Son-hui accused the U.S. of moving the goal posts:

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/0...te-launch.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Any signs of yellow cake?
    That's still premature talk at this point.








    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
    North Korea's Game Plan And Its Upcoming Satellite Launch

    John Bolton won. After a short period of calm and talks between the U.S. and North Korea both sides are again walking towards a conflict. But one important thing changed.

    The recent talks between President Donald Trump and Chairman Kim Jong-un in Hanoi failed when the U.S. overplayed its hand. In his New Year speech Kim had already warned that he was ready to take a "new way" if such a problem would occur. As we wrote:

    History shows that North Korea has always gamed out such talks. It is always prepared to let them fail and it is ready to take the next step whenever that happens. The "new way" may well allude to some new weapon that North Korea is ready to test. Cruise missiles are a possible candidate.
    ....
    EM.

    But this kind of art of the deal negotional skills set from US side they have not faced before.



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