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Thread: Rand Paul assaulted at Kentucky home (UPDATE: 6 broken ribs)

  1. #361
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Pure speculation: With what we now know, a likely scenario is that this guy had planned this political attack for quite a while, and the lawn/leaves excuse was pre-planned. In other words, he knew Rand would eventually be out there mowing, and he could attack him at that time and use his planned alibi. Probably wanted to do it right before important Senate votes, like the ones coming up, to take Rand out for a while.
    It is weird the media aggressively tried to discount the political motivation despite significant evidence and only mentioned that the guy was a registered Democrat. No mention of his social media in almost any mainstream coverage. It is also weird that the media just accepted the defense lawyer's explanation of events. The job of a lawyer is to get the best deal for the client. The guy is obviously guilty but federal charges can carry 20 years in prison.

    There is no chance that who posts on Ron Paul Forums and who broke the ribs of Barbara Boxer would have the political motivation immediately discarded by the media.



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  3. #362
    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    It is weird the media aggressively tried to discount the political motivation despite significant evidence and only mentioned that the guy was a registered Democrat. No mention of his social media in almost any mainstream coverage. It is also weird that the media just accepted the defense lawyer's explanation of events. The job of a lawyer is to get the best deal for the client. The guy is obviously guilty but federal charges can carry 20 years in prison.

    There is no chance that who posts on Ron Paul Forums and who broke the ribs of Barbara Boxer would have the political motivation immediately discarded by the media.
    Which blow holes in the false theory of anyone that says that the media maybe down plays it to prevent copy cats.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Pure speculation: With what we now know, a likely scenario is that this guy had planned this political attack for quite a while, and the lawn/leaves excuse was pre-planned. In other words, he knew Rand would eventually be out there mowing, and he could attack him at that time and use his planned alibi. Probably wanted to do it right before important Senate votes, like the ones coming up, to take Rand out for a while.
    Planned or psyched himself up into a frenzy and saw Rand mowing - took action. Either obvious to anyone with reason. Just when I think the media cannot lower themselves anymore than that they already have they surprise me.

  4. #363
    "Can you imagine living next door to that guy?" said one congressional colleague who has regularly tangled with Paul over policy. "I'm pulling for the neighbor."

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/09/politi...ery/index.html


    Which congressional colleague?
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  5. #364
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    "Can you imagine living next door to that guy?" said one congressional colleague who has regularly tangled with Paul over policy. "I'm pulling for the neighbor."

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/09/politi...ery/index.html


    Which congressional colleague?
    The quote right before that one:

    "He's a deep believer in his own thoughts," Skaggs said. "And he believes his own thoughts are right -- and they are right 100% of the time."
    I'm arguing with somebody on the internet right now, and they are claiming that taxation is not theft. They are also saying a lot of things like what Skaggs said right there, about me..

    Thing is they can't put together a coherent argument, I even laid it out for them.. I was all, "Ok, if you believe that taxation is not theft, then you have to make an argument. You have to say, "The definition of theft is ______, and taxation is ______ and taxation is not theft because _____." Now fill in the blanks and let me know why you don't think taxation is theft.

    The only argument they tried to make it was that it has to be illegal for it to be theft. But I don't accept that bull$#@!, I'm like, "look, if you were on a desert island and there was no government, and somebody took your coconuts, that would be theft.. legality and government is not required for theft to take place."

    I've gone in circles with this person and they still keep saying that taxation is not theft, yet refuse to even make a statement trying to disprove it, and keep saying things like what Skaggs said. It's called ignoring reality.
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  6. #365
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    "Can you imagine living next door to that guy?" said one congressional colleague who has regularly tangled with Paul over policy. "I'm pulling for the neighbor."
    http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/09/politi...ery/index.html
    Which congressional colleague?
    The author of the CNN article and the so called "colleague" that said this, if this person even exists are two real pieces of $#@!.

    I have been saying this since 2007 coming here that something must be done about the media. If you want to gain any ground, mass grassroots activism and protests must be directed against the scumbag media.
    Last edited by kahless; 11-09-2017 at 07:19 PM.

  7. #366
    Quote Originally Posted by PursuePeace View Post
    The judge said Assault 4th Degree Domestic Violence.

    A neighbor attacking a neighbor is not domestic violence in any context I've ever heard of. Domestic violence is reserved for spouse, family or someone you otherwise live with. Wouldn't the judge know this?


    https://ag.ky.gov/family/victims/Pages/domestic.aspx

    Quote Originally Posted by Kentucky AG Office
    The respondent or abuser must be your spouse, ex-spouse, parent, child, stepchild, grandparent, grandchild, brother, sister, son/daughter-in-law, spouse's parent, spouse's grandparent, spouse’s brother, spouse's sister, members of an unmarried couple (and children of this couple), or individuals formerly or currently living together.
    Last edited by devil21; 11-09-2017 at 09:17 PM.
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  8. #367
    Daily Caller is reporting that federal charges are expected:

    Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul has been told to expect federal charges against his socialist neighbor who attacked the Republican senator last week, Fox News’ Shepard Smith reported on Thursday.

    That prosecutors are expected to bring federal charges in the attack indicates that they may believe it was politically motivated, Smith reported. Previous media reports that the attack was over a long-standing dispute are inaccurate, Paul’s office has said.
    http://dailycaller.com/2017/11/09/re...lly-motivated/

  9. #368
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Daily Caller is reporting that federal charges are expected
    If the shoe were on the other foot then there would be. I know me being a conservative libertarian in Las Vegas and if if my neighbor was Harry Reid and he didn't fall off a treadmill but I jumped him I would be facing 20 years in the FEDERAL pound you in the ass prison. So as they say in the land of the free if the glove fits.



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  11. #369
    Clear hit piece by Newsweek on the front page of Yahoo news. Title reads " Rand Paul's Pumpkin Patch, Lack of Respect For Neighborhood Rules, Possibly Led To Six Broken Ribs"

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  12. #370
    This prick is pleading not guilty? WTF?
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  13. #371
    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCarolinaLiberty View Post
    This prick is pleading not guilty? WTF?
    I would like to hear an explanation of that myself, what is his argument going to be? Justifiable Homicide? Over a trivial yard dispute?(that is what his lawyer claims was the motive)
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  14. #372
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I would like to hear an explanation of that myself, what is his argument going to be? Justifiable Homicide? Over a trivial yard dispute?(that is what his lawyer claims was the motive)
    The left media spin is its just a few bruised ribs over a pile of leaves, by the way the McRib is back, and whats the big deal anyways why is Rand Paul such a bad neighbor. That guy wouldn't of been driven to do what he did if Rand Paul wasn't such a prick.

  15. #373
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    The left media spin is its just a few bruised ribs over a pile of leaves, by the way the McRib is back, and whats the big deal anyways why is Rand Paul such a bad neighbor. That guy wouldn't of been driven to do what he did if Rand Paul wasn't such a prick.
    That won't fly in a court room, and even then there is NO doubt that he did it, just how is he going to claim not guilty of some kind of assault?
    Last edited by Swordsmyth; 11-09-2017 at 10:58 PM.
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  16. #374
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That won't fly in a court room, and even then their is NO doubt that he did it, just how is he going to claim not guilty of some kind of assault?
    This is where they will try to claim that he didn't do it or that he didn't use excessive force or intend to use deadly force because he didn't use a weapon. This is how bad our justice system is, even when there is obvious criminal intent some people are above the law. These are the types of people you can't let get away with this kind of $#@! because it will inspire people to go farther and further. If they let him get away with this it will only fuel the culture war they are pushing to break up the republic.

  17. #375
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    This is where they will try to claim that he didn't do it or that he didn't use excessive force or intend to use deadly force because he didn't use a weapon. This is how bad our justice system is, even when there is obvious criminal intent some people are above the law. These are the types of people you can't let get away with this kind of $#@! because it will inspire people to go farther and further. If they let him get away with this it will only fuel the culture war they are pushing to break up the republic.
    That is the key question, are they going to let him go just to bring on civil war?
    Due to the nature and extent of Rand's injuries and the freak's medical knowledge none of the arguments you listed should stand a chance, and even with those arguments he should be attempting to plead guilty to a lesser charge, but instead he is pleading not guilty to the first charge that is woefully too light.
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  18. #376
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That is the key question, are they going to let him go just to bring on civil war?
    Due to the nature and extent of Rand's injuries and the freak's medical knowledge none of the arguments you listed should stand a chance, and even with those arguments he should be attempting to plead guilty to a lesser charge, but instead he is pleading not guilty to the first charge that is woefully too light.
    I'm cynical, I think they wanna let him out and then sick one of their crazies on him and claim its a Rand Paul supporter exacting political revenge. I think they want to put Marshal law under effect so they can put their foreign policy into motion, and it will happen so fast you and I won't get to talk about it. NO matter how much people get blood thirsty and want to go to war the people will feel guilty and it will fester and destroy our civilization. People still feel guilty and feel bad and think that we should of never dropped the bomb on Japan.



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  20. #377
    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCarolinaLiberty View Post
    This prick is pleading not guilty? WTF?
    I think lawyers usually have people plead not guilty so there's time to prepare the case, work out plea bargains, that type of stuff.

  21. #378
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    The left media spin is its just a few bruised ribs over a pile of leaves, by the way the McRib is back, and whats the big deal anyways why is Rand Paul such a bad neighbor. That guy wouldn't of been driven to do what he did if Rand Paul wasn't such a prick.
    Precisely

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That won't fly in a court room, and even then there is NO doubt that he did it, just how is he going to claim not guilty of some kind of assault?
    The court room doesn't really matter. The (politically) important things are decided in the press room.

  22. #379
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    The court room doesn't really matter. The (politically) important things are decided in the press room.
    Not in a clear cut case like this, what would normally happen under these circumstances is the following:

    1 he pleads guilty to the first inadequate charge
    2 his sentence is suspended or he is immediately given parole
    3 he becomes a liberal martyr and a celebrity, he maybe even runs against Rand for office

    If they let him get away with a not guilty plea they are up to something special like nickers suggested, if they are not then he and his lawyer are truly stupid and will lose the opportunity to plead guilty to a lesser charge and suffer total defeat in the trial.
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  23. #380
    13 pages and not one mention of how an unnamed witness saw a second assailant on Senator Paul......
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  24. #381
    Quote Originally Posted by twomp View Post
    13 pages and not one mention of how an unnamed witness saw a second assailant on Senator Paul......

    Skaggs?? (the assailant, not the wintess)
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  25. #382
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Not in a clear cut case like this, what would normally happen under these circumstances is the following:

    1 he pleads guilty to the first inadequate charge
    2 his sentence is suspended or he is immediately given parole
    3 he becomes a liberal martyr and a celebrity, he maybe even runs against Rand for office

    If they let him get away with a not guilty plea they are up to something special like nickers suggested, if they are not then he and his lawyer are truly stupid and will lose the opportunity to plead guilty to a lesser charge and suffer total defeat in the trial.
    I haven't read the indictment, assuming it's been published, but thus far I've heard nothing concrete about his motives.

    And that's the whole ballgame.

    The defendant is obviously going to be convicted/plead out.

    The question is the motive and therefore the political implications, if any.

  26. #383
    Pleading not guilty. The neighbor went outside to offer Rand some Sweet Ice Tea. Rand was zoned out with his head phones and almost ran him over 3 times. Finally the neighbor had no choice but to tackle Rand for his safety and the safety of everyone in the community. Rand was driving erratically like he had been drinking or on some type of drugs.

  27. #384
    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    Pleading not guilty. The neighbor went outside to offer Rand some Sweet Ice Tea. Rand was zoned out with his head phones and almost ran him over 3 times. Finally the neighbor had no choice but to tackle Rand for his safety and the safety of everyone in the community. Rand was driving erratically like he had been drinking or on some type of drugs.
    Oh, yeah that's it.

    The neighbor must be an off duty cop.



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  29. #385
    If you read the arrest warrant the affiant, that being the State Trooper, writes in it that "The defendant (Boucher) admits to going on Paul's property and tackling him."

    So his lawyer is going to have a hard time getting him off.


  30. #386
    Quote Originally Posted by twomp View Post
    13 pages and not one mention of how an unnamed witness saw a second assailant on Senator Paul......
    I missed that. Is there a second attacker?
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  31. #387
    Quote Originally Posted by ChristianAnarchist View Post
    I missed that. Is there a second attacker?
    How dare you question the msm narrative
    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    You don't have a right to any information. A neighbor had said that Randal managed to throw the douchbag off of him, indicating that he didn't "wake up in the hospital". Sounds like the guy was on top and wailing away. A police interviewed him at the scene and thought he had some bruises and cuts, but didn't know he had cracked ribs. A spokesman for Randal said he was embarrassed by the whole situation and didn't want to bring any extra attention to it. Seems pretty normal of a reaction to me. If you gotten beaten up by some guy attacking you unnoticed would you go around releasing camera footage of it or wanting to bring extra attention to it? Most men wouldn't.

  32. #388

    cop unable to arrest for higher than misdemeanor assault, w/o warrant?

    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    The judge said Assault 4th Degree Domestic Violence.

    A neighbor attacking a neighbor is not domestic violence in any context I've ever heard of. Domestic violence is reserved for spouse, family or someone you otherwise live with. Wouldn't the judge know this?
    https://ag.ky.gov/family/victims/Pages/domestic.aspx
    Seems to have something to do with what they could legally arrest Boucher for initially - when they were assuming the injuries were less serious and calling it a misdemeanor? Still weird, though...

    (from wapo - Nov. 9)
    “During the initial investigation, all indications pointed toward a minor injury to the Senator,” Trooper Jeremy Hodges, a spokesman for the Kentucky State Police, said in a text message, explaining why it took five hours to arrest Boucher. “He had not been checked by a doctor. We can’t arrest for a misdemeanor assault without a warrant in Kentucky unless it’s domestic violence-related or it happens in an officer’s presence.”
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  33. #389
    Quote Originally Posted by Valli6 View Post
    Seems to have something to do with what they could legally arrest Boucher for initially - when they were assuming the injuries were less serious and calling it a misdemeanor? Still weird, though...

    (from wapo - Nov. 9)

    xxx.washingtonpost dot xxx/politics/suspect-in-attack-on-sen-rand-paul-pleads-not-guilty/2017/11/09/206fedc2-c561-11e7-aae0-cb18a8c29c65_story.html?utm_term=.21758338dbeb
    Yeah since the damage seemed internalized they have to have medical records detailing that they are hurt not just saying ribs are sore. You can't be arrested usually if you bloody someone's nose but breaking it is something else entirely and Rand refused EMT that would of normally found the broken ribs

  34. #390
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    and Rand refused EMT that would of normally found the broken ribs
    if he is half as paranoid as most the people here, that might have been a good choice. instead of opting to get into a concealed ambulance with people he didn't know he probably opted to take himself to a hospital and doctor he knew personally and trusted. just saying...

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