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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Now you are on to something. Why did the average person vote for Trump? I mean the average person in real life, not this forum. I will prioritize:

    1) America first. That meant many things to them. Jobs, trade, the wall, immigration, but even foreign policy. And America-first to them meant bombing some people. He said he'd bomb ISIS, but they don't know ISIS from al-qaeda from Assad. Most of them cheered Trump's missile attack. Many of them think he just attacked ISIS. They don't see the flip-flop. When he flips on the wall and immigration, then he might find resistance from his voters.

    2) He wasn't Hillary. That will never change.

    3) His brash, anti-PC, anti-establishment style. That is changing a bit, the targets of his brashness are changing as he joins with the establishment. If his voters begin to see him as the establishment, there is no flip in their eyes.

    4) His vow to repeal and replace Obamacare.

    5) Anti-globalism, anti-intervention, humble foreign policy. Most of the Trump voters tolerated that from Trump. They could care less if he flip-flops on that. They are cheering him for this flip-flop. Now the "libertarian" Trump voters might have had this as their number one reason, but they were the minority of the actual voters. Trump has no need for them if everyone else is cheering him on this.

    you forget all the people from all walks of life supporting Trump because he kicked the MSM in the balls.

    Rand needs Trump skills to handle the media questions. Trump's answers to the media trying to assassinate him are to be studied.



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  3. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by Mordan View Post
    you forget all the people from all walks of life supporting Trump because he kicked the MSM in the balls.

    Rand needs Trump skills to handle the media questions. Trump's answers to the media trying to assassinate him are to be studied.
    What planet are you posting from? Is it nice there?

    Trump's one and only media skill is getting his blather broadcast over the airwaves. And he achieved that by being reliable, as he just proved beyond a shadow of a doubt by breaking every campaign promise he ever made except the one about breaking the bank to make the MIC richer.

    No, Rand Paul does not need this "Trump skill". Rand Paul would not be Rand Paul if he had this "Trump skill". He would then be just another establishment-planted cuck like Trump.

    There are plenty of those. We don't need more.

    Kicking the media in the balls isn't exactly easy if they never get within twenty yards of you, on the orders of their corporate masters. If I kick the media in the balls in the woods where no one can hear, and there is no film at eleven, do they howl in pain?

    Do they wince as they drop me on the cutting room floor, or just laugh? Does it have any impact at all on Joe Sixpack either way?

    Only reliable tools get the chance to handle the media. The "Trump skill" of which you speak is called Selling Out.
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  4. #63
    Rand is essentially Ron with better media skills
    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

  5. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post
    Rand is essentially Ron with better media skills
    a little better, but not impressive



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  7. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Not to mention getting banned from this site.
    Hey, acptulsa! Welcome back! I didn't know you were banned; thought you were just taking a break.

  8. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    What planet are you posting from? Is it nice there?

    Trump's one and only media skill is getting his blather broadcast over the airwaves. And he achieved that by being reliable, as he just proved beyond a shadow of a doubt by breaking every campaign promise he ever made except the one about breaking the bank to make the MIC richer.

    No, Rand Paul does not need this "Trump skill". Rand Paul would not be Rand Paul if he had this "Trump skill". He would then be just another establishment-planted cuck like Trump.

    There are plenty of those. We don't need more.

    Kicking the media in the balls isn't exactly easy if they never get within twenty yards of you, on the orders of their corporate masters. If I kick the media in the balls in the woods where no one can hear, and there is no film at eleven, do they howl in pain?

    Do they wince as they drop me on the cutting room floor, or just laugh? Does it have any impact at all on Joe Sixpack either way?

    Only reliable tools get the chance to handle the media. Selling out is the "Trump skill" of which you speak.
    Good back and study the replies here about Trump during the primary. Trump is going to implode. Trump that. Trump this.

  9. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by Pizzo View Post
    Probably cause by anyone who criticized trump during the campaign were called cucks, Hillary supporters/voters, NWO puppets, globalists, and so on by a group on this site. Naturally when the stooge they were pimping out here as the greatest thing since sliced bread $#@!s up, people are going to rub it in. Predictable.
    And nothing has changed those assertions.
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  10. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    And nothing has changed those assertions.
    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6251913

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  11. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    What planet are you posting from? Is it nice there?

    Trump's one and only media skill is getting his blather broadcast over the airwaves. And he achieved that by being reliable, as he just proved beyond a shadow of a doubt by breaking every campaign promise he ever made except the one about breaking the bank to make the MIC richer.
    Actually, that's not true. He stopped the Trans Pacific Partnership on his first day in office.

    Not happy at all with him right now. Who knows; it's still early. He may do something else he promised. lol

    No, Rand Paul does not need this "Trump skill". Rand Paul would not be Rand Paul if he had this "Trump skill". He would then be just another establishment-planted cuck like Trump.

    Kicking the media in the balls isn't exactly easy if they never get within twenty yards of you, on the orders of their corporate masters. If I kick the media in the balls in the woods where no one can hear, and there is no film at eleven, do they howl in pain?

    Do they wince as they drop me on the cutting room floor, or just laugh? Does it have any impact at all on Joe Sixpack either way?
    Learning how to work the media is a valuable skill for someone in politics. It's a tool in their toolkit. Just like knowing Robert's Rules of Order. The more Rand knows how to do this, the more successful he will be IF he runs again. Because if he does, the media will do their best to destroy him. Should be no newsflash there.
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  12. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by undergroundrr View Post
    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6251913

    "Hell, the man is even talking about getting us out of NATO. That IS also a good thing." - LibertyEagle
    Hhmmm. Did you notice what I bolded in what I quoted? That was what my remark was aimed at. Go try again now.
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  13. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Hhmmm. Did you notice what I bolded in what I quoted? That was what my remark was aimed at. Go try again now.
    Yes I did. It's as if you bolded it for me to use. Anybody who continues to support trump is a Globalist NWO supporter. NATO is globalism itself.
    Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018

  14. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by Pizzo View Post
    Probably cause by anyone who criticized trump during the campaign were called cucks, Hillary supporters/voters, NWO puppets, globalists, and so on by a group on this site. Naturally when the stooge they were pimping out here as the greatest thing since sliced bread $#@!s up, people are going to rub it in. Predictable.
    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    And nothing has changed those assertions.
    Quote Originally Posted by undergroundrr View Post
    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6251913

    "Hell, the man is even talking about getting us out of NATO. That IS also a good thing." - LibertyEagle
    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Hhmmm. Did you notice what I bolded in what I quoted? That was what my remark was aimed at. Go try again now.
    My God you've lost your way LE! Do you realize that Ron Paul criticized Trump during the campaign? Do you think he is a "cuck" or "NWO puppet" or "Hillary supporter/voter?" Great Trump stopped the TPP. Great he put the kibash on the climate change protocols. It's an ill will that doesn't blow somebody some good. Obama got us out of Iraq sooner than Trump would have. (Trump joined in with the GOP jackasses who said we got out of Iraq too soon.) Obama didn't "bomb bomb bomb Iran" like McCain wanted to. Ron Paul called the Obama nuke deal and the opening of relations with Cuba "two most important achievements of an otherwise pretty dismal Obama presidency." So just because you can find a couple of things to like about the Obama third term of the Obama presidency doesn't mean that those who criticized Trump during the general election "Cucks, Hillary Supporters, NWO puppets" or whatever. In fact your boy Trump got money from George Soros. That, by definition, makes him a NWO puppet.
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  16. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    My God you've lost your way ....
    On the bright side, her avatar is finally appropriate again, only now she ironically fills the John McCain role.

  17. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom View Post
    On the bright side, her avatar is finally appropriate again, only now she ironically fills the John McCain role.
    Ouch!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mordan View Post
    Good back and study the replies here about Trump during the primary. Trump is going to implode. Trump that. Trump this.
    That is a true statement. As bad or disappointing as Trump will likely be, this reailty will not cleanse the subjectivity of the haters. I think Jmdrake and one other stated that Trump would win, despite them being opposed to his dubious candidacy. Other people couldn't separate the hate from the political analysis.
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  19. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    And nothing has changed those assertions.
    So anyone who did not support $#@!head are those things?
    Mordan on Ron Paul: "But with Trump specifically he decided that Trump was just as bad as Hillary. He is a senile moron for saying that."

  20. #77
    Can the mods remove Liberty from LE name? Maybe she can be Cuck eagle or war eagle, something like that.

  21. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom View Post
    On the bright side, her avatar is finally appropriate again, only now she ironically fills the John McCain role.
    Last edited by Pizzo; 04-13-2017 at 07:14 PM.
    Mordan on Ron Paul: "But with Trump specifically he decided that Trump was just as bad as Hillary. He is a senile moron for saying that."

  22. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by Mordan View Post
    you forget all the people from all walks of life supporting Trump because he kicked the MSM in the balls.
    That would fall under number 3...
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  23. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by afwjam View Post
    Can the mods remove Liberty from LE name? Maybe she can be Cuck eagle or war eagle, something like that.
    that seems fair



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  26. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post
    Rand is essentially Ron with better media skills
    Dr Paul reached me many years ago with his "Texas Straight Talk" articles.

    I don't know if Rand would of been as effective moving me away from bad ideas as Ron was.

  27. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    Dr Paul reached me many years ago with his "Texas Straight Talk" articles.

    I don't know if Rand would of been as effective moving me away from bad ideas as Ron was.
    Ron is good for 20 minute sitdown interviews, Rand is better at doing the 8-minute TV hits with the cable networks where they are constantly trying to get him to react on the trivial stuff of the day. Ron used to get frustrated with them during the 2012 campaign.
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  28. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    That would fall under number 3...
    Right but you conclusion of point number 3 is off base. People are going to notice.

    As for the renewal of antipathy, most Trump supporters agree what is happening is bad. However those paid shills continue to use emotions, fake arguments, FUD. All the arsenal of a trained FUDer. The same paid for shills that FUDDED the Coffee McDonald case with the old lady eventually getting big bucks. But the FUD kepting pouring. Because it is their job. As LibertyEagle said.. we are not happy. There is a logical reason for what is happening. As Mr Medvedev said.. the deep state eventually got Trump compromised. And anyways Trump never was elected as a Libertarian. I knew Trump was moderate in his soul. He is a former democrat.

  29. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by Mordan View Post
    Right but you conclusion of point number 3 is off base. People are going to notice.

    As for the renewal of antipathy, most Trump supporters agree what is happening is bad. However those paid shills continue to use emotions, fake arguments, FUD. All the arsenal of a trained FUDer. The same paid for shills that FUDDED the Coffee McDonald case with the old lady eventually getting big bucks. But the FUD kepting pouring. Because it is their job. As LibertyEagle said.. we are not happy. There is a logical reason for what is happening. As Mr Medvedev said.. the deep state eventually got Trump compromised. And anyways Trump never was elected as a Libertarian. I knew Trump was moderate in his soul. He is a former democrat.
    All of the Joe-Sixpack Trump voters that I know IRL support the expanded wars. As far as the media, they think that Trump has tamed the media and the media is finally coming around.
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  30. #86
    Appears he has been totally castrated and housebroken by the deep state and neocons.
    His mistake was allowing any of the neocon warmongers into his administration at all, which began with his choice of Pence for VP, and then not immediately cleaning house when he got there.
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  31. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by William Tell View Post
    I disagree with the premise. He just lied to his base like the previous presidents. Their foreign policy made the same sense his does.
    WRONG! [Channel Alec Baldwin] Trump's Lies are the best! The best words and the best lies! That, I can tell you.
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  32. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by Mordan View Post
    Right but you conclusion of point number 3 is off base. People are going to notice.

    As for the renewal of antipathy, most Trump supporters agree what is happening is bad. However those paid shills continue to use emotions, fake arguments, FUD. All the arsenal of a trained FUDer. The same paid for shills that FUDDED the Coffee McDonald case with the old lady eventually getting big bucks. But the FUD kepting pouring. Because it is their job. As LibertyEagle said.. we are not happy. There is a logical reason for what is happening. As Mr Medvedev said.. the deep state eventually got Trump compromised. And anyways Trump never was elected as a Libertarian. I knew Trump was moderate in his soul. He is a former democrat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by francisco View Post
    WRONG! [Channel Alec Baldwin] Trump's Lies are the best! The best words and the best lies! That, I can tell you.
    His lies sucked. He even try to hint people with the Snake song:


  35. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Mr. Medved ? As in Michael Medved? Oh, are you a regular listener of his?
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