"Transgender" "woman" wins Democratic nomination for Vermont governor

[Swordsmyth]

I'm actually rather surprised at the lack of acceptance here. We're free beings, a person should be able to do with their bodies as they wish as long as it doesn't harm others. Seems rather anti libertarian to be so hostile against gender identity issues.

If they would keep the issue out of politics we would but they by and large can't wait to use government to shove themselves down our throats.

This isn't normally an ethical or morality issue either. Want perverse? just look at the latest catholic church reveals. now there are examples of lack of morality.

It most certainly is a morality issue and the hypocrisy and corruption of the catholic church is just as bad but that doesn't make the perverts normal or moral.

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

I'm actually rather surprised at the lack of acceptance here. We're free beings, a person should be able to do with their bodies as they wish as long as it doesn't harm others. Seems rather anti libertarian to be so hostile against gender identity issues.

A libertarian political order means bureaucratic sparsity, order through property and self-reliance. It does not mean opposition to healthy social norms. Indeed, traditional social norms are necessary for a libertarian order to exist in the first place. The deconstruction of tradition in the name of some perverse kind of tolerance harms libertarian aspirations.

[Wooden Indian]

I'm actually rather surprised at the lack of acceptance here. We're free beings, a person should be able to do with their bodies as they wish as long as it doesn't harm others. Seems rather anti libertarian to be so hostile against gender identity issues.

This isn't normally an ethical or morality issue either. Want perverse? just look at the latest catholic church reveals. now there are examples of lack of morality.

But it's not about their individual beliefs (or in this case delusions) when they become lawmakers is it? A bad church is not the law. My neighbor in panties is not the law.

A far left lunatic Govenor that wants to abuse our children by pumping them full of hormones and committing genital mutilation while putting me in jail for speaking out against the lunacy of it all... HE is the "law".

I hope that makes some sense to ya now.

[asurfaholic]

Not to pile on the hate, but I think that my main attraction to Ron Paul was his integrity.

Transgenders, not talking about the people actually born with the chromosomes messed up, but those of a definite sex who try to deceive others into thinking that person is something other than thier actual sex is the opposite of having integrity.

Why should I be tolerant of someone who can’t even be tolerant of how they were born?

[TheTexan]

Not to pile on the hate, but I think that my main attraction to Ron Paul was his integrity.

Transgenders, not talking about the people actually born with the chromosomes messed up, but those of a definite sex who try to deceive others into thinking that person is something other than thier actual sex is the opposite of having integrity.

Why should I be tolerant of someone who can’t even be tolerant of how they were born?

Indeed. He's a man wearing a dress.

Which means he's a liar.

And a man who will lie, is a man who will steal.

So he's probably also a thief.

Which means he's probably a criminal.

Maybe even a murderer.

Clearly your intolerance is justified.

[TheTexan]

I'm actually rather surprised at the lack of acceptance here. We're free beings, a person should be able to do with their bodies as they wish as long as it doesn't harm others. Seems rather anti libertarian to be so hostile against gender identity issues.

This isn't normally an ethical or morality issue either. Want perverse? just look at the latest catholic church reveals. now there are examples of lack of morality.

But he's engaging in behavior that I think is weird and/or inappropriate!

[AuH20]

I'm actually rather surprised at the lack of acceptance here. We're free beings, a person should be able to do with their bodies as they wish as long as it doesn't harm others. Seems rather anti libertarian to be so hostile against gender identity issues.

This isn't normally an ethical or morality issue either. Want perverse? just look at the latest catholic church reveals. now there are examples of lack of morality.

Read.

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Invest in programs for displaced workers, focusing on job retraining for current and future job markets
Address the property tax issue and take responsibility for separating this from education funding - these two issues should not be pitted against each other

Health care

Work with like-minded states to lay the groundwork for a universal healthcare system - despite Vermont not having achieved this in years past, it must still be our goal
Work with Vermont’s congressional delegation and like-minded leaders of other states to fight any cuts to Medicare or Medicaid
Support current legislation, S.53, relating to access to universal primary care in Vermont, that has passed out of the Vermont State Senate
Protect all women's health initiatives and a women's right to choose.
Education

Work with teachers and local communities to address and improve education funding structures
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Civil Rights

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[kpitcher]

Not to pile on the hate, but I think that my main attraction to Ron Paul was his integrity.

Transgenders, not talking about the people actually born with the chromosomes messed up, but those of a definite sex who try to deceive others into thinking that person is something other than thier actual sex is the opposite of having integrity.

Why should I be tolerant of someone who can’t even be tolerant of how they were born?

I agree with you on Ron Paul, he was a shining example of integrity.

While I can see your view on transgenders I'm more of a believer that the brain drives us sort of person. If a person is gay, fine, so be it. If they have gender identity issues, fine, so be it. Adult, consensual, have at it. Someone brought up children, that's another matter and I don't know anything about that but it's not the point.

I'm genetically predisposed to male pattern baldness. Is taking Rogaine or getting plugs showing intolerance? Or anyone with mental health issues taking drugs to alter brain chemistry? Sure I'm taking things to the extreme and there is a big difference between receeding hairlines and Klinger from M*A*S*H* being in charge of a state.

However based on the platform which someone posted, there are plenty of things to attack this person with other than their character or gender identity.

[Anti Federalist]

African American Teenage Lobsters

https://www.ericpetersautos.com/2018...comment-689123

By eric - August 16, 2018

Caityln Jenner, et al, insist they are “she” rather than “he” on account of how they feel inside – as opposed to what’s between their legs (or was) as bestowed by nature.

In other words, reality is fungible.

In other words, there is no such thing as objective reality.

We are what we feel and say we are – and others are duty bound to accept it. To embrace it. Bruce – um, Caitlyn – is not mentally ill. An eccentric. A latter-day Dr. Frank N. Furter.

She is who she is because she says so. And we are obligate to share her delusion. Er, assertion.

This raises a number of interesting questions. Is arithmetic also a matter of opinion, of feeling? Does 2 plus 2 equal 5 as much as it equals 4? If Bruce can insist that he is in fact a she – and if we are compelled to believe it – then why shouldn’t we also believe that 2 plus 2 equals 5?

This will have repercussions which transcend the cash register.

If Bruce can insist he – she – is Caitlyn and actually female and not a six-foot-two man in a dress then why can’t I insist – and others be compelled to accept on the same basis – that I am a crustacean? Specifically a lobster. I have known it since I was a shoft-shelled larvae but had to hide my true self from the cruel bipedalarchy and toxic mammalinity which has oppressed the crustacean minority lo these many years.

At last I feel free to “come out” as my true self. Do you see my claws? Are they not impressive?

It does not matter whether you see them. Or even whether they exist. I am not ill. Tetched in the head.

Just like Caitlyn’s lack of female chromosomes and natural bits and pieces are irrelevant – so we are told – to the question of male – or female – the fact that you can’t see my claws and exoskeleton and compound eyes is immaterial to my assertions that they exist.

You must believe – and accept.

Or else.

That part isn’t de jure – yet. But is de facto. To disbelieve in the femaleness of Caitlyn is to hate “her.” Which also implies a desire to harm her.

Or so the logic goes.

This “hating” – even if not accompanied by any action – will soon constitute an offense in law.

It is not enough to accept – as Libertarians do – that any of us is free (or ought to be free) to dress however we like, call ourselves whatever we like, even modify our bodies however we like. After all, they are ours.

The issue isn’t the freedom to be a weirdo.



The demand is that others accept the non-objective; that they deny reality and pretend that 2 plus 2 does equal 5 when it is asserted that it does.”

To disbelieve it is a failure to “embrace diversity.”

In fact, it is to embrace insanity.

At gunpoint, if necessary. As will probably be necessary. As has already become necessary in several countries in Western Europe and Canada where it is a officially punishable “hate” to deny that he is in fact a she.

Back to my lobster musings.

I insist upon equal treatment for my special needs – for example, a brine tank made available to me and those like me (there will be more) at every “public” place.

Why not?

If Bruce – whoops, Caitlyn – can use the cudgel of the law to force the owner of a restaurant or bar or other such “public” place to allow her to use the women’s room then I see no reason why I ought not to be similarly accommodated.

They – and you – must accept my exoskeleton.

Unless, of course, the place is racist toward my species.

The rights of many other oppressed peoples – and things – have been under duress for generations by unfair social convention and insistence upon the existence of a one-size-fits-all tool of oppression called “objective reality” by those who use this construct to maintain their cruel hierarchy of privilege.

And by the way, I am also an African American lobster.

You may not be able to see my lovely ebony hue, but it exists in my mind (per Rachel Dolezal) and therefore – it exists. As real as Caitlyn’s homogametic XX chromosomes and forget what used to be between his (oops, sorry… her) legs..

What matters is her perception of herself – her feelings about who she really is. Not what she actually is.

Do not be a hater.

Hundreds of years of maltreatment must be redressed. Think of the boiling pot, the horrific spectacle of all my brothers through the ages, yanked from their kith and kin, caged and bound for the Dark Passage leading, ultimately to someone’s dinner plate.

To be chosen from a menu. To be put on display, in a tank. Our screams unheard, our pain ignored. . . I am thinking reparations are due. Some sort of compensation for our grievances, which are many and just.

I am also a teenage African American lobster – and I much prefer the company of teenage females, both crustacean and mammalian. I am not a bigot, after all. And neither should you be. Laws forbidding me to date my peers – to attend the junior high prom with my chosen date – are as vile as miscegenation statutes. We don’t beat up African Americans for dating white girls anymore and surely no mature, evolved person will object to lobsters dating outside their race – and age group.

All these outdated and mean-spirited notions rigidly defining who we are according to someone else’s or “society’s” perception of who are as defined by that ossified construct called objective reality must be done away.

Bruce – I mean Caitlyn – is showing us the way, like Harriet Tubman and Dr. King.

We Shall Overcome!

[Anti Federalist]

I'm genetically predisposed to male pattern baldness. Is taking Rogaine or getting plugs showing intolerance? Or anyone with mental health issues taking drugs to alter brain chemistry? Sure I'm taking things to the extreme and there is a big difference between receeding hairlines and Klinger from M*A*S*H* being in charge of a state.

No, of course not.

Calling my full head of hair "follicle privilege" and demanding I shave my head to conform to yours...

Deliberately setting laws, rules edicts and fatwas in opposition to me because of "follicle privilege"...

Suggesting I and my family be dispossessed and possibly exterminated because of my "follicle privilege"...

Wanting to tear down the last vestiges of freedom and liberty and free markets left because of my "follicle privilege"...

[ProBlue33]

Liberty ends where crazy starts. I know Ron Paul says we have to put up with crazy stuff, but I think everybody has a certain line.....and for me this crosses it.

[Zippyjuan]

Liberty ends where crazy starts. I know Ron Paul says we have to put up with crazy stuff, but I think everybody has a certain line.....and for me this crosses it.

Liberty should be for everybody. Otherwise it is a privilege for an elite group.

[oyarde]

Liberty should be for everybody. Otherwise it is a privilege for an elite group.

Those vermont dems will be a shining example of liberty for us I am sure .

[Zippyjuan]

Those vermont dems will be a shining example of liberty for us I am sure .

As long as they aren't forcing you to be like them (or you forcing them to be like you) things should be fine. That is liberty.

[Swordsmyth]

As long as they aren't forcing you to be like them (or you forcing them to be like you) things should be fine. That is liberty.

The problem is that they want to force us to be like them along with all their other liberty destroying ideas.

[Zippyjuan]

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...ertarian-party

Oklahoma Transgender Student Elected in Libertarian Party

ORMAN, Okla. (AP) — University of Oklahoma student Traci Baker is only 20 years old, but she was recently elected as state secretary of the Libertarian Party.

Baker's youth is remarkable on its own, but she's also the first transgender official of any party in state history, as well as the first transgender executive of a state party in the U.S.

Baker grew up in Edmond and was interested in politics early on.

"I was inspired by the Ron Paul campaign in 2012, and that's what got me into Libertarianism," she said. "I was in high school when I did debate, and then I was in Youth in Government in the YMCA program. That's also when I started doing my first campaign."

Baker graduated from Edmond Memorial High School in 2016 and moved to Norman to attend OU.

More at link.

[Anti Federalist]

Liberty should be for everybody. Otherwise it is a privilege for an elite group.

I don't think anybody is questioning that.

I have the liberty to call these people nuts, and should have the liberty not to have anything to do with them.

That is not the case.

And that is what the problem is.

[oyarde]

As long as they aren't forcing you to be like them (or you forcing them to be like you) things should be fine. That is liberty.

Pretty sure they have no liberty in the plans , just the usual crap of forcing others to pay for what ridiculousness they wish , been the 100 yr plan for that dead and useless horse.

[Swordsmyth]

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...ertarian-party



More at link.

And?

One exception means nothing.

[Anti Federalist]

As long as they aren't forcing you to be like them (or you forcing them to be like you) things should be fine. That is liberty.

Well, it does deflate your idea that globalist population control schemes are a "conspiracy theory".

[parocks]

there's no putting this genie back in the bottle.

There easily could be. Has the US Government tried just saying "Sex Change? No Such Thing."

You can change your name. You can wear any clothes you want. But you can't change your sex. If you have the chromosomes of a male, you're a male.

The Fed Gov can't make that clear? Can't pass the "Enough of the Freakshow Act of 2018"?

[asurfaholic]

That man who was growing boobs wearing a thin white shirt and wig and other female items walking around the store in myrtle beach where I was also walking my 3 young daughters wasn’t trying to force me to be like him.

But he planted some very sick images in my children’s eyes that I have had to work to undo and have conversations that we just shouldn’t be having with 6 year olds and 3 year olds.

No it’s not about freedom. That’s a mental illness and he is sexually harassing every young child and man and woman that is forced to see him.

[dannno]

As long as they aren't forcing you to be like them (or you forcing them to be like you) things should be fine. That is liberty.

Their entire political platform is based on force..

And being trans is ultimately based on deceit.

[RJB]

I am going to predict that you will never see a tranny with positions we would support, they are all insane and perverse.

You would be surprised. I know for a fact that there is even someone who is a very outspoken member of the hb community on this forum. I forgot the member's name. Danke might know who I am talking about.