Radical Salafist terror attack in NY on Halloween

[otherone]

A weapon is not always the answer. There is no weapon that would have helped in Las Vegas, and no weapon that would have helped people caught unaware on a pedestrian and bike path yesterday. At some point the liberty of American citizens has to be considered higher than some guy who has been training for jihad over in Iraq or whatever.

What does this mean?

[kcchiefs6465]

What does this mean?

Isn’t it obvious?

Freedom v. security.

Many would prefer to feel secure than to be free.

[otherone]

Isn’t it obvious?

Freedom v. security.

Many would prefer to feel secure than to be free.

But she wrote "liberty": At some point the liberty of American citizens has to be considered higher

[kcchiefs6465]

But she wrote "liberty": At some point the liberty of American citizens has to be considered higher

It’s a Brave New World.

Liberty isn’t being free, it’s being alive- i.e safe.

[kahless]

Isn’t it obvious?

Freedom v. security.

Many would prefer to feel secure than to be free.

I read the last two posts and it makes me wonder if the terrorist had an RPF account.

How is it making a logical decision to not import jihadists that want to kill us mean we want less freedom?

[otherone]

I read the last two posts and it makes me wonder if the terrorist had an RPF account.

How is it making a logical decision to not import jihadists that want to kill us mean we want less freedom?

How does not wanting to be killed have anything to do with protecting your liberty?

[Mikezelot]

Capitalism is the only solution. He lived here for 7 years and without looking into I would bet he had no job.

A lot harder for someone to be involved in this when they work 40 hours a week.

Consumerism > isis

[kahless]

Capitalism is the only solution. He lived here for 7 years and without looking into I would bet he had no job.

A lot harder for someone to be involved in this when they work 40 hours a week.

Consumerism > isis

Reports say he had worked as a commercial truck driver, ran a trucking business and then ended up at Uber for the last 6 months making 1400 trips.

[AZJoe]

‘This is sick’! NYT columnist HAMMERED after spinning NYC attack as win for gun control
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2017/...r-gun-control/

OMG on the irrational madness of some people. The idiot thinks "but for NYC's gun control, Saipov would have killed more."
Because mass murdering Saipov (who is not even a NYC resident) is such a law abiding citizen he would certainly obey the NYC ordinance.
Its more like - but for NYC's victim disarmament policy, Saipov would not have been able to keep running over so many pedestrians and bikers.

[Mikezelot]

Reports say he had worked as a commercial truck driver, ran a trucking business and then ended up at Uber for the last 6 months making 1400 trips.

I stand corrected

[ChristianAnarchist]

You will care about their belief system when the people coming here outnumber you and yours, at that point you will be living under their collectivist form of government whether you like it or not.

No, actually I won't. If it were ever to get that dire (and I really doubt that it ever will) I will simply kill some of them until they kill me. It's the old wild west way and some of us still "get it"...

[Swordsmyth]

No, actually I won't. If it were ever to get that dire (and I really doubt that it ever will) I will simply kill some of them until they kill me. It's the old wild west way and some of us still "get it"...

The joys of tribal warfare.

[ChristianAnarchist]

OMG on the irrational madness of some people. The idiot thinks "but for NYC's gun control, Saipov would have killed more."
Because mass murdering Saipov (who is not even a NYC resident) is such a law abiding citizen he would certainly obey the NYC ordinance.
Its more like - but for NYC's victim disarmament policy, Saipov would not have been able to keep running over so many pedestrians and bikers.

Another reason I don't believe the fake news on this. Why would a guy who's been in the country for many years run people over in a truck and then walk around with fake guns?? Like it's hard to by REAL GUNS??? You expect me to believe this guy is some kind of bad ass terrorist and he can't figure out how to get some guns in the US of A??

It's FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE!!!

[ChristianAnarchist]

The joys of tribal warfare.

I'll take tribal warfare over goonerment goonsquad warfare any day...

[Feeding the Abscess]

I took that to mean US citizens freely moving about the country, without TSA gate rapes and Constitution free zones and 24/7 surveillance.

How do you determine citizenship status of those traveling without expanded TSA highway checks/Constitution free zones and 24/7 surveillance?

[Brian4Liberty]

How do you determine citizenship status of those traveling without expanded TSA highway checks/Constitution free zones and 24/7 surveillance?

Those have never been necessary in the past to enforce a variety of laws. When it comes up, then it is checked. If someone reports something, then it might get checked. If there is a murder, it doesn't mean that every home in a 100 mile radius needs to be searched for the murder weapon.