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Thread: If RyanCare fails the vote, it may cost him his job

  1. #211
    Quote Originally Posted by WTLaw View Post
    I bet you the unnamed representative is a yes vote, and is trying to bluff out a stampede of last second yes votes. People want cover, either for or against.
    Hope so. Either way we need more calls against it tomorrow than we even had today. Too many cowards in the Freedom Caucus as we have seen in the past.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    It's a balance between appeasing his supporters, appeasing the deep state and reaching his own goals.
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  4. #213
    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    That would mean that Trump has been really hands off and not paying attention to what has been going on...?
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    @Ehanced_Deficit's real agenda on RPF =troll:

    Who spends this much time copy/pasting the same recycled links, photos/talking points.

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  5. #214
    Quote Originally Posted by WTLaw View Post
    I bet you the unnamed representative is a yes vote, and is trying to bluff out a stampede of last second yes votes. People want cover, either for or against.
    Yup, they're trying to create an atmosphere of victory and getting any HFC members who might feel a little weak kneed at the last hour.

    If they stick together, I have a whole new respect for them, a lot is riding on their courage right now.
    THE SQUAD of RPF
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    2. Devil21 - LARPing Wizard, fake magical script reader
    3. Firestarter - Tax Troll; anti-tax = "criminal behavior"
    4. TheCount - Comet Pizza Pedo Denier <-- sick

    @Ehanced_Deficit's real agenda on RPF =troll:

    Who spends this much time copy/pasting the same recycled links, photos/talking points.

    7 yrs/25k posts later RPF'ers still respond to this troll

  6. #215
    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

  7. #216
    Quote Originally Posted by undergroundrr View Post
    @TheCount, you may want to add this to the list.
    Nice.

    Though... if I add enough, eventually one will be right.
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  9. #217
    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    + REP to anyone who can find and post a livestream to the house of Reps so I can watch this go down!

    should be here. They guesstimate the 4-5 PM ET vote.



    Quote Originally Posted by radiofriendly View Post
    UPDATE: VOTE TODAY! 3/24/17

    House Session The House convened to debate and vote on the American Health Care Act, a Republican bill to replace the Affordable Care Act.
    https://www.c-span.org/video/?425937...afternoon&live
    Last edited by William Tell; 03-24-2017 at 08:47 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    It's a balance between appeasing his supporters, appeasing the deep state and reaching his own goals.
    ~Resident Badgiraffe




  10. #218
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    Quote Originally Posted by undergroundrr View Post
    http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare...amacare-repeal

    President Trump warned House Republicans on Thursday that he will leave ObamaCare in place unless they approve legislation to repeal and replace it.

    Trump officials meeting with the House GOP conference said Trump is done negotiating over the legislation, which was set to come up for a vote Thursday but was delayed.

    Budget Director Mick Mulvaney, a former member of the House Freedom Caucus that has been negotiating with Trump, told the GOP conference that Trump wants a vote on Friday during a dramatic closed-door meeting, according to a GOP source in the room.

    If the vote fails, Trump will move on to other priorities and ObamaCare will stay as the law of the land, Mulvaney said.
    So it's trumpCare or nothing. Never was RyanCare. This is the one trump wants. Mulvaney has to be asking himself why he was stupid enough to take this job.
    That is a spin that I don't see it that way at all

    Quote Originally Posted by Jan2017 View Post
    Not how I read/watched it . . . Trump wants the vote now for Ryan's plan - he is done negotiating for Ryan.
    It seems they know it's going down, and Ryan is reluctant to have the vote at all.
    Within the first 100 days Trump/Rand will have Ryan gone as Speaker.
    This is video of just the last 35 secs. of House GOP stakeout last night . . .
    https://www.c-span.org/video/?425914...alth-care-bill

    Priebus and Bannon left about halfway through the GOP House Member meeting. That is when CSPAN first reported
    that WH wants a Friday vote.

    One of the two congressman that comes out (before Ryan excerpt above) described it as "intense" . . .
    he implied like Rand has said that Freedom Caucus seemed to be a bloc of some degree. He did as he always has and "waited till the end of legislation to decide, he seemed probable yes depending what the new House revision is this morning.
    WH is gone from this now.

    In the end it was the GOP members agreed they would vote with 4 GOP voted with all Democrats to not even vote yet.

    (It was funny after that when the Congressman Andrea Mitchell was interviewing left, they all asked who was that ? LOL She didn't know.

    Whatever Mike Lee / Rand Paul legislation that comes out of both houses of Congress (as Ryancare up/down is DOA in Senate),
    or other GOP repeal of Obamacare - any is NOT gonna be vetoed but signed in to law. Besides, Trump has a wall to build.
    Last edited by Jan2017; 03-24-2017 at 11:59 AM.

  11. #219
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    Quote Originally Posted by William Tell View Post
    should be here. They guesstimate the 4-5 PM ET vote.
    Thanks, and thanks CSPAN. https://www.c-span.org/video/?425937...fternoon&live=

    Sounds like Californian is arguing about what the "Congressman from Kentucky" (John Yarmuth- D) said

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  13. #221
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    https://www.c-span.org/video/?425937...fternoon&live=

    Recent debate seems like sob stories from both sides of the aisle
    If GOP bill doesn't pass . . . death, abortions
    If GOP bill passes . . . "44,000 more deaths in your own district"

    I am convinced already - they're right.

    This Dem guy must have statistics for every district. Next . . .

    If GOP bill doesn't pass . . . death, abortions
    If GOP bill passes . . . "50,000 more deaths in your own district"

  14. #222
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    SHH!!! This is a grownup conversation, zippy.

    Why don't you go start a thread about Trump being afraid of stairs or something.
    That is UWDude's job.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 03-24-2017 at 10:44 AM.

  15. #223
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    That is UWDude's job.
    I'm ok with him posting that thread because he was mocking the media, and I recalled that he was the one who posted it. Your intention of posting a thread like that would be to mock Trump...

    Do you see the difference?
    Last edited by dannno; 03-24-2017 at 11:50 AM.
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  16. #224
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Your intention of posting a thread like that would be to mock Trump...
    Which is a much more noble goal than defending Trump.



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  18. #225
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Which is a much more noble goal than defending Trump.
    That would depend on the issue.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  19. #226
    House Appropriations Chair Rodney Frelinghuysen Rebukes Speaker Paul Ryan: Obamacare 2.0 Is ‘Currently Unacceptable’

    “Seven years after enactment of Obamacare, I wanted to support legislation that made positive changes to rescue healthcare in America,” Frelinhguysen, who has been lauded as the Garden State’s most powerful congressman, wrote in a Facebook post.

    Unfortunately, the legislation before the House today is currently unacceptable as it would place significant new costs and barriers to care on my constituents in New Jersey. In addition to the loss of Medicaid coverage for so many people in my Medicaid-dependent state, the denial of essential health benefits in the individual market raise serious coverage and cost issues. I remain hopeful that the American Health Care Act will be further modified. We need to get this right for all Americans.

    The House Speaker almost never loses the Appropriations Chairman on major pieces of legislation. The fact Frelinghuysen is against the bill calls into question Ryan’s ability to lead the conference–including his own committee chairs–in the future on other pieces of legislation. It shows just how unpopular this legislation really is GOP-wide, and further demonstrates Ryan’s inability to bring together the different factions of the House Republican conference.
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...-unacceptable/
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    It's a balance between appeasing his supporters, appeasing the deep state and reaching his own goals.
    ~Resident Badgiraffe




  20. #227
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Which is a much more noble goal than defending Trump.
    Out of rep
    Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018

  21. #228
    Paul Ryan Rushes to White House to Tell Trump Votes Are Lacking to Repeal Obamacare

    WASHINGTON — House Speaker Paul D. Ryan, facing a revolt among conservative and moderate Republicans, rushed to the White House Friday afternoon to inform President Trump he did not have the votes to pass legislation to repeal the Affordable Care Act and to decide whether to pull the bill from consideration.


    The president and the speaker faced the humiliating prospect of a major defeat on legislation promised for seven years, since the landmark health legislation was signed into law. President Trump had demanded a vote regardless, which has been scheduled for Friday afternoon. But House leaders were leaning against such a public loss.


    The House opened debate Friday on what would have been one of the most consequential pieces of legislation in years, a bill that would have rolled back a major, established social welfare program, a feat that is almost unheard of.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/24/u...-act.html?_r=0
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    It's a balance between appeasing his supporters, appeasing the deep state and reaching his own goals.
    ~Resident Badgiraffe




  22. #229
    Exclusive–Rep. Kevin Brady: ‘It Is Clear We Don’t Have the Votes’ to Pass Ryancare
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...pass-ryancare/
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    It's a balance between appeasing his supporters, appeasing the deep state and reaching his own goals.
    ~Resident Badgiraffe




  23. #230
    This just in from CNN discussion panel:

    Wolf: "Look, the Ryan plan is a shoe-in. Polls show 98% approval in the House and Senate."
    Anderson: "You got that right, Wolf. Look, the only question now is how big a landslide is it going to be."
    Chris: "Look, the Trump administration has been holed up in the White House all day today. Planning how to explain this humiliation, no doubt."
    Erin: "Look, this embarrassment for Trump is already invoking talk about impeachment."
    Brett: "From anonymous sources, of course."
    Erin: "Look, of course they are."
    Wolf: "Quit telling me to look, Erin."
    Erin: "You quit telling ME to look, asswipe."
    [mics out. technical difficulties]
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    7. Honor your father and mother.
    8. Remember the Sabbath and keep it Holy.
    9. Don’t use your Higher Power's name in vain, or anyone else's.
    10. Do unto others as you would have them do to you.

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  24. #231
    Outlook looking bleak for GOP on 'Obamacare' repeal bill

    WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Republicans' capstone health care overhaul seemed in dire trouble Friday as Speaker Paul Ryan weighed strategy at the White House with President Donald Trump. GOP lawmakers and aides said they lacked the votes to succeed in the House, just hours before a do-or-die showdown demanded by Trump.

    GOP leaders pushed toward a climactic House roll call, but their promise to stage the vote increasingly looked like a losing gamble for the new president and his GOP allies in Congress.

    Vice President Mike Pence was meeting near the Capitol with the House Freedom Caucus. That group's hard-right members, along with a growing band of party moderates, have been driving GOP opposition and threatening to crash one of Trump's and Ryan's top priorities.

    "I think the president has given it his all," White House spokesman Sean Spicer told reporters in what sounded like a concession that the measure's fate was bleak. He added, "The speaker has done everything he can. You can't force people to vote."
    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...03-24-05-52-03
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    It's a balance between appeasing his supporters, appeasing the deep state and reaching his own goals.
    ~Resident Badgiraffe




  25. #232
    Quote Originally Posted by William Tell View Post
    Not sure Pence is the same type of "hard-right" as a lot of the HFC members.
    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul



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