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Or Tennessee. Or Montana. We need a list of all of the states that have nullified this crap so far.Originally Posted by TheTexan
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Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
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"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
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Meanwhile, authoritarian progressives (but I repeat myself) aren't pussyfooting around the issue:
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"...completely reasonable position..."
Yep. Unchecked, unilateral power never results in horrific consequences for the population living under it.
These people are deadly dangerous sociopaths. It is time to separate, or we will face bloodshed. There is no reconciling with this mindset.
Until they start to die for their beliefs, they will not relent. Even separation would just see them begin to actively subvert those that escaped their grasp.
There will have to be bloodshed. The only matter beyond that is the framing. If peaceful separation is pursued, then it avoids having some kind of Fort Sumter type of moment that cedes moral authority. Of course, since they have no honor, I would expect them to create a false flag that grants them the perceived moral right to slaughter our side.
You are absolutely correct that there is no reconciling their philosophy with that of anyone even remotely appreciative of liberty.
"opposition to government Covid-19 mandates is fascist & white supremacist":
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status...10215016603651
Invoking "Stalin, Mao & other 20th-century communist dictators to counter [opposition to government mandates]":
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status...27851733618688
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Interesting timing:
Dr Gottlieb, nbc biz channel resident expert on all things covid, has pretty much declared that the latest Pfizer pill marks the end of the end of covid.
Pfizer board member Gottlieb says the Covid pandemic could be over in the U.S. by January
Published Fri, Nov 5
Gottlieb’s comments came in the wake of data from Pfizer that indicated its Covid antiviral pill, when paired with an HIV medication, slashed the potential for hospitalization or death by 89% in adults at risk for severe complications. Combining the pill with an HIV medication slowed the metabolism, allowing the Covid antiviral to work longer in the body.
Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla said in an interview Friday morning with “Squawk Box” before Gottlieb spoke that the company will submit data on the therapeutic to the FDA before Thanksgiving.
MAGA Allies: 'Bully Israel with undeclared nukes steals land'
Dangerous conspiracy theories on Right claim MAGA fake frontgroup
Poll: Should US apologize for financing radicalization of Afghan children in 80s?
Obama-Clinton Years: A Violent Chapter in World History
Trump: If (Neocon) Adelson Backs Rubio "He'll Have Total Control" Over Him
Delta variant, death of 9 Chinese engineers in terror attack led to airport chaos & quick Kabul fall?
GOP-appointed judges freeze Biden vaccine requirement after federal lawsuit
The ruling was signed by Judges Edith Jones, a Ronald Reagan appointee; and Kyle Duncan and Kurt Engelhardt, both appointed by Donald Trump.
More at: https://news.yahoo.com/gop-appointed...234253006.html
Thank you, Trump!
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
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And two days from the 1/6/2021 anniversary. HHHmmmmm
The Creature from Jekyll Island:
We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!
As with Ft Sumter, it will be the victors of the war who determine when and where moral authority was ceded.
When action is required, it is required.
Indeed.You are absolutely correct that there is no reconciling their philosophy with that of anyone even remotely appreciative of liberty.
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- Kim KardashianIt's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
Donald Trump / Crenshaw 2024!!!!
My pronouns are he/him/his
Both of these.
Goddamn right.
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When they lose we must banish the survivors.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Yup.
- Kim KardashianIt's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
Donald Trump / Crenshaw 2024!!!!
My pronouns are he/him/his
https://twitter.com/CNBC/status/1457826114198544391Meanwhile, authoritarian progressives (but I repeat myself) aren't pussyfooting around the issue:
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The Bastiat Collection · FREE PDF · FREE EPUB · PAPER Frédéric Bastiat (1801-1850)
- "When law and morality are in contradiction to each other, the citizen finds himself in the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense, or of losing his respect for the law."
-- The Law (p. 54)- "Government is that great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else."
-- Government (p. 99)- "[W]ar is always begun in the interest of the few, and at the expense of the many."
-- Economic Sophisms - Second Series (p. 312)- "There are two principles that can never be reconciled - Liberty and Constraint."
-- Harmonies of Political Economy - Book One (p. 447)· tu ne cede malis sed contra audentior ito ·
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Fixed it for them:
WhistleblowersRat-fink snitches to play key role in enforcing Biden vaccine rule
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-v...r-enforcement/
CBS/AP (09 November 2021)
To enforce President Joe Biden's new COVID-19 vaccine regulation, the Labor Department is going to need a lot of help. Yet its Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) doesn't have nearly enough workplace safety inspectors to do the job.
The 490-page regulation will cover American businesses with at least 100 workers, or about 84 million employees in all. So the government will rely upon a corps of informers to identify violations of the order:EmployeesRat-fink snitches who will presumably be concerned enough to turn in their own employers if their co-workers go unvaccinated or fail to undergo weekly tests to show they're virus-free.
What's not known is just how many employees will be willing to accept some risk to themselves — or their job security — forblowing the whistlesnitching on their own employers. Without them, though, experts say the government would find it harder to achieve its goal of requiring tens of millions of workers at large businesses to be fully vaccinated by January 4 or be tested weekly and wear a mask on the job.
"No army" of inspectors
"There is no army of OSHA inspectors that is going to be knocking on employers door or even calling them," said Debbie Berkowitz, a former OSHA chief of staff who is a fellow at Georgetown University's Kalmanovitz Initiative for Labor and the Working Poor. "They're going to rely onworkers and their union representativesrat-fink snitches to file complaints where the company is totally flouting the law.''
Under the regulation, businesses must maintain records on workers' vaccination statuses. But for workplaces where employees aren't required to be vaccinated, workers will need to get weekly tests and wear masks.
OSHA said it plans to check on compliance with the latter by doing spot-checks of businesses, and will also rely on complaints the agency receives about businesses that aren't following the regulation.
"We will have our staff available and responsive to complaints, which is a No. 1 way we hear about problems in a workplace," said Jim Frederick, the acting chief of OSHA, on a conference call with reporters. He also said the agency will focus on job sites "where workers need assistance to have a safe and healthy workplace."
"That typically comes through in the form of a complaint," Frederick added.
Critics warn thatwhistleblowersrat-fink snitches have often faced retaliation from their employers and that OSHA has offered little protection when they do.
The new rule, which Biden announced last week, is the administration's most far-reaching step yet to prod more Americans to get a vaccine that has been widely available since early spring. The order will cover an estimated 84 million employees.
The president called the move necessary to combat an outbreak that has killed 750,000 Americans and that continues to spread. Companies that fail to comply will face fines of nearly $14,000 per "serious'' violation. Employers found to be "willful'' or repeat violators would be subject to fines of up to ten times that amount.
But the regulation has run into furious opposition from leaders of mainly Republican-led states who have condemned the plan as an unlawful case of federal overreach and who immediately challenged the vaccine-or-test requirements in court.
On Saturday, the Biden administration endured a setback when a federal appeals court in New Orleans temporarily halted the order, saying it posed "grave statutory and constitutional issues.
Enforcement challenges
Should the regulation survive its legal challenges, though, the task of enforcing it would fall on OSHA, the small Labor Department agency that was established 50 years ago to police workplace safety and protect workers from such dangers as toxic chemicals, rickety ladders and cave-ins at construction sites.
OSHA has jurisdiction in 29 states. Other states, including California and Michigan, have their own federally approved workplace safety agencies. These states will have an additional month — until early February — to adopt their own version of the COVID-19 rule, equal to or tougher than OSHA's.
For a task as enormous as enforcing the new vaccine order, OSHA and its state "partners'' are stretched thin. Just 1,850 inspectors will oversee 130 million workers at 8 million job sites. So the agencies must rely onwhistleblowersrat-fink snitches.
"They have inspectors but they don't have enough to do extensive pre-emptive investigations of employers," said Julie Vanneman, an attorney with Dentons Cohen & Grigsby, where she works on environmental and health and safety matters. "However, OSHA tends to respond quite throughly towhistleblowerrat-fink snitch complaints."
OSHA urges workers to first bring unsafe or unhealthy working conditions to the attention of their employers "if possible.'' Employees could also file a confidential safety complaint with OSHA or have a case filed by a representative, such as a lawyer, a union representative or a member of the clergy. But they have no right to sue their employer in court for federal safety violations.
It starts with a complaint
Typically, 20% to 25% of OSHA inspections originate with a complaint.
"You fill out a form or somebody fills out a form for you," said Berkowitz, the former OSHA chief of staff. "And that's all workers have. If OSHA decides not to inspect, that's it. Or if OSHA inspects but decides not to cite the employer, that's it. ... So it's a pretty weak law.''
Only OSHA can bring cases over violations of the Occupational Safety and Health Act of 1970, the law that is meant to provide safe workplaces. Going outside OSHA to sue employers for negligence is all but impossible, say Berkowitz and other worker advocates.
State worker compensation programs — which reimburse injured workers for medical costs and lost wages and provide death benefits to survivors of those killed — include no-fault provisions that block most lawsuits.
Even sounding the alarm can be risky.
"Technically," Berkowitz said, "the law says that companies can't retaliate against a worker for waging a health and safety issue or filing an OSHA complaint or even reporting an injury. But retaliation is rampant.''
OSHA can pursue employers who punish workers for speaking out against unsafe working conditions. Last month, for example, the agency sued a luxury car dealer in Austin, Texas, that it said fired an employee who had warned co-workers about potential coronavirus hazards in the workplace.
WhistleblowerRat-fink snitch concerns
But in a report co-written by Berkowitz, the National Employment Law Project, which advocates for worker rights, found that OSHA dismissed more than half the COVID-related complaints of retaliation it received from whistleblowers without conducting an investigation. Just 2% of complaints were resolved in the five-month period last year that the law project studied. Workers have just 30 days to file an OSHA complaint over retaliation.
"OSHA needs to improve its handling ofwhistleblowerrat-fink snitch complaints,'' the Labor Department's Inspector General, its internal watchdog, concluded last year. "When OSHA fails to respond in a timely manner, it could leave workers to suffer emotionally and financially, and may also lead to the erosion of key evidence and witnesses.''
Still, most companies are considered likely to comply with the COVID-19 regulation, as they mostly do with other OSHA rules. Some employers were likely relieved: They may have wanted to require inoculations on their own but worried that they'd alienate anti-vaccine workers and possibly lose them to employers that didn't require vaccinations.
"Most employers — they're law-abiding,'' says David Michaels, a former OSHA chief who is an epidemiologist and professor of public health at George Washington University. "They're trying to make sure that they meet the requirements of every law and regulation.... Now OSHA will follow up. They'll respond to complaints. They'll do spot checks. They'll issue citations and fines, and they'll make a big deal of those" to discourage other potential violators.
Contrary to popular belief, the Gestapo was not the all-pervasive, omnipotent agency in German society.[111] In Germany proper, many towns and cities had fewer than 50 official Gestapo personnel. For example, in 1939 Stettin and Frankfurt am Main only had a total of 41 Gestapo men combined.[111] In Düsseldorf, the local Gestapo office of only 281 men were responsible for the entire Lower Rhine region, which comprised 4 million people.[112] "V-men", as undercover Gestapo agents were known, were used to infiltrate Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD) and Communist opposition groups, but this was more the exception than the rule.[113] The Gestapo office in Saarbrücken had 50 full-term informers in 1939.[113] The District Office in Nuremberg, which had the responsibility for all of northern Bavaria, employed a total of 80–100 full-term informers between 1943 and 1945.[113] The majority of Gestapo informers were not full-term informers working undercover, but were rather ordinary citizens who chose to denounce other people to the Gestapo.[114]
According to Canadian historian Robert Gellately's analysis of the local offices established, the Gestapo was—for the most part—made up of bureaucrats and clerical workers who depended upon denunciations by citizens for their information. Gellately argued that it was because of the widespread willingness of Germans to inform on each other to the Gestapo that Germany between 1933 and 1945 was a prime example of panopticism.[115] The Gestapo—at times—was overwhelmed with denunciations and most of its time was spent sorting out the credible from the less credible denunciations.[116] Many of the local offices were understaffed and overworked, struggling with the paper load caused by so many denunciations.[117] Gellately has also suggested that the Gestapo was "a reactive organisation...constructed within German society and whose functioning was structurally dependent on the continuing co-operation of German citizens".[118]
“It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan
Worse than 9/11, Pearl Harbor and the Holocaust combined?
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At this point if we don't face bloodshed, there is no point.
"The Patriarch"
Yes. Also, almost but not quite as bad as January 6th.
"Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."
Calvin Coolidge
Full their tip line with reports of Congress, USPS, the Whitehouse, etc... not enforcing their own mandates.
Who else is waiting for Biden to tell people they need to drop to their knees and get vaccinated or they'll be shipped off to a FEMA camp where they'll be killed for non-compliance?
"Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."
Calvin Coolidge
It's the little steps that are taken each day that will lead to something like this.
I've been seeing a sentiment on right wing sites and what not lately (as libertarians continue to stick their thumbs up their butts): play time is over. Dig your heels in and gear up for the long haul. This battle is just beginning.
Another lawsuit: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/10/bide...uirements.html
I don't know what we can do to support these lawsuits, but we need to. Spread the word, tell everyone you know who isn't jabbed to keep holding.
Welcome to the R3VOLUTION!
Court allows Biden employer vaccine mandate to take effect
https://apnews.com/article/coronavir...bcaaca98514753
Geoff Mulvihill & Andrew DeMillo (17 December 2021)
A federal appeals court panel on Friday allowed President Joe Biden’s COVID-19 vaccine mandate for larger private employers to move ahead, reversing a previous decision on a requirement that could affect some 84 million U.S workers.
The 2-1 decision by a panel of the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Cincinnati overrules a decision by a federal judge in a separate court that had paused the mandate nationwide.
The mandate from the U.S. Occupational Safety and Health Administration was to take effect Jan. 4. With Friday’s ruling, it’s not clear when the requirement might be put in place, but the White House said in a statement that it will protect workers: “Especially as the U.S. faces the highly transmissible Omicron variant, it’s critical we move forward with vaccination requirements and protections for workers with the urgency needed in this moment.”
Republican state attorneys general and conservative groups said they would appeal Friday’s decision to the U.S. Supreme Court.
Twenty-seven Republican-led states joined with conservative groups, business associations and some individual businesses to push back against the requirement as soon as OSHA published the rules in early November. They argued the agency was not authorized to make the emergency rule, in part because the coronavirus is a general health risk and not one faced only by employees at work.
The panel’s majority disagreed.
“Given OSHA’s clear and exercised authority to regulate viruses, OSHA necessarily has the authority to regulate infectious diseases that are not unique to the workplace,” Judge Julia Smith Gibbons, who was nominated to the court by former President George W. Bush, a Republican, wrote in her majority opinion.
“Vaccination and medical examinations are both tools that OSHA historically employed to contain illness in the workplace,” she wrote.
Gibbons noted that the agency’s authority extends beyond just regulating “hard hats and safety goggles.” She said the vaccine requirement “is not a novel expansion of OSHA’s power; it is an existing application of authority to a novel and dangerous worldwide pandemic.”
She was joined in the majority decision by Judge Jane Branstetter Stranch, an appointee of former President Barrack Obama, a Democrat.
The case was consolidated in the 6th circuit, which is dominated by Republican-appointed judges. Earlier this week, the circuit’s active judges rejected a move to have the entire panel consider the case, on an 8-8 vote.
The dissent in Friday’s ruling came from Judge Joan Larsen, an appointee of former President Donald Trump, who said Congress did not authorize OSHA to make this sort of rule and that it did not qualify as a necessity to use the emergency procedures the agency followed to put it in place.
Larsen also argued that vaccinated workers “do not face ‘grave danger’ from working with those who are not vaccinated.”
Arkansas Attorney General Leslie Rutledge, a Republican, said she would ask the U.S. Supreme Court to block the order. At least two conservative advocacy groups said they had already appealed to the nation’s highest court.
“The Sixth Circuit’s decision is extremely disappointing for Arkansans because it will force them to get the shot or lose their jobs,” Rutledge said.
South Carolina Attorney General Alan Wilson, who also is chairman of the Republican Attorneys General Association, said in a Twitter message Friday that he was confident the mandate could be stopped.
The vaccine requirement would apply to companies with 100 or more employees and would cover about 84 million workers in the U.S. Employees who are not fully vaccinated would have to wear face masks and be subject to weekly COVID-19 tests. There would be exceptions, including for those who work outdoors or only at home.
The administration has estimated that the rule would save 6,500 lives and prevent 250,000 hospitalizations over six months. On Friday, the U.S. Department of Labor, which includes OSHA, said the 6th circuit’s ruling will allow the agency to implement “common-sense, science-based measures to keep workers safe and healthy during a deadly pandemic.”
The vaccine rule for private employers is separate from other vaccine mandates announced by the Biden administration that apply to federal government contractors and workers in health care facilities that receive funding from Medicaid or Medicare. Those rules also are under assault from conservatives and have been paused in at least some parts of the country.
Shocking. I thought for sure the courts were going to stand up for our rights.
- Kim KardashianIt's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
Donald Trump / Crenshaw 2024!!!!
My pronouns are he/him/his
It's not over yet.
It's going to be immediately appealed to either the en banc 6th Circuit or SCOTUS.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
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Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
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