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    13 dead after duck boat capsized on Table Rock Lake; 4 remain missing

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    13 dead after duck boat capsized on Table Rock Lake; 4 remain missing

    BY MAX LONDBERG, MATT CAMPBELL, LAURA BAUER AND JUDY L. THOMAS
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    July 19, 2018 08:54 PM
    Updated 3 minutes ago
    Thirteen people died Thursday night in a wind-driven lake tragedy that capsized and sank a tourist boat in the Missouri Ozarks.

    Stone County Sheriff Doug Rader said some of the dead were children but he would not be specific. Media reports said at least three of the injured were under 18 years old; their injuries were minor. At least seven people were taken to hospitals, only one with a serious injury.

    The Associated Press reported Friday morning that divers found two more bodies. Four people are still unaccounted for.

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    At least five people were still missing at last report about midnight.

    Rader said relatives of missing persons should go to Branson City Hall for information. He asked anyone with video of the incident to send it to authorities at the Stone County Sheriff’s Department’s Facebook page or call 417-337-8515.


    “It’s going to be all night,” Rader said. “It’s going to be a challenging night and tomorrow.”


    The incident happened shortly after 7 p.m. on Table Rock Lake near Branson, Mo.


    There reportedly were 31 people on the “Ride the Ducks” boat, a vehicle that goes from land to water and is a popular attraction for tourists at Table Rock Lake. Some people were able to swim to shore, according to media reports.


    Rader said a Stone County sheriff’s deputy was on the boat when it capsized and was helping to rescue people.

    Rader said there were life vests on board the boat but he did not know if passengers were wearing them.

    Rader said there were two “ducks” boats in the water when the storm struck, but one of them made it to shore safely. Rader said “Ducks” company officials were on the scene.


    “They’re being very cooperative with us at this time,” he said.

    According to the company’s website, “Ride the Ducks” is a “70-minute guided amphibious tour that takes guests through the scenic Ozarks on both land and water.”


    Ride the Ducks Branson spokeswoman Suzanne Smagala-Potts said in an emailed statement that the company was still confirming information about “the very difficult situation.”

    “We are deeply saddened by the tragic accident that occurred this evening at Ride The Ducks Branson,” Smagala-Potts said in a statement emailed at 1:17 a.m. “This incident has deeply affected all of us. We will continue to do all we can to assist the families who were involved and the authorities as they continue with the search and rescue. The safety of our guests and employees is our number one priority. We will provide updates as we have additional, confirmed information to share.”


    The National Weather Service said wind gusts were as strong as 60 mph and caused 3-foot waves. Strong thunderstorms with straight-line winds moved through the Branson area a little after 7 Thursday evening, said Cory Rothstein, meteorologist with the National Weather Service in Springfield.


    “There were winds in excess of 60 mph at that time,” Rothstein said. “The lines of storms themselves were moving very quickly. . . . There were 3-feet waves on the lake.”


    A thunderstorm warning hit the area just after 6:30. By 7:25 p.m. winds at the Branson airport were clocked at 63 miles per hour, Rothstein said.


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    Duration 0:31Conditions on Table Rock Lake near the time the ‘Ride the Ducks’ boat capsized
    This is what it was like on Table Rock Lake near the same time and nine nautical miles away from where the 'Ride the Ducks' boat capsized.

    By Rick Kettles
    The West Taney County water rescue team was still working Thursday night. The Missouri Highway Patrol water rescue service was on the way, Rader said.


    Storms in the area had emergency crews scrambling to respond to calls about transformer fires, downed and arcing power lines and toppled trees. At 7:04 p.m., a call went out from Taney County Public Safety dispatch about strong winds and a report of rotating clouds, according to audio captured on Broadcastify.com


    Then, at 7:16 p.m.: “We need a water rescue. Will be north of the Showboat. Will be a duck that has capsized. We have approximately 30 individuals in the water.”


    A few minutes later, someone said: “It’s pretty intense here. I’ve got probably 55 mph winds here at the shop and very heavy rain.”

    A Missouri Highway Patrol dispatcher put out the call about the boat capsizing at 7:17 p.m.

    “We think you’re gonna get a call. There’s a mass casualty going on by the Branson Belle, multiple people in the water. We’re going to be heading that way.”


    At 7:27 p.m., on the Taney County Public Safety channel: “Several people have been picked up already. We don’t know how many yet.” And a minute later, “We have injuries, a possible CPR in progress. There’s a couple of pontoons to get people out of the water…”


    At 7:29 p.m.: “Some people are already on land. They are doing CPR. We definitely need an ambulance there.”


    Bystanders were already gathering, and dispatchers told workers to push them back and away from the scene.


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    Duration 2:37Listen to dispatch audio of capsized boat incident on Table Rock Lake
    A video shot by Jennie Phillips-hudson Carr captures two duck boats caught in a storm on Table Rock Lake Thursday. Dispatch audio: Broadcastify.

    By Neil Nakahodo | Jason Boatright
    At 7:39 p.m., the Highway Patrol said: “The total count on that was supposed to be 31. That includes the driver and the captain. Thirty-one total.”

    Five minutes later: “We have a diver in the water, too, so I don’t want to get too many boats crowded around him.”


    Then from Taney County at 7:44 p.m.: “We have at least six fatalities we’re trying to deal with and we’re trying to dive for some more missing people…and we’re treating some, obviously the injured ones.”


    At 8:14 p.m., someone on the Taney County Public Safety channel asked a dispatcher to notify the Coast Guard: “Not the Coast Guard Auxiliary, but the true Coast Guard, of this incident involving a commercial vessel on Table Rock, just so they’re notified. We really don’t need anything from them. We just need to make sure they’re notified.”



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    Crews from multiple agencies are on scene of an MCI “Mass Casualty Incident” “tourist type boat involved” this is on Table Rock Lake, Stone County, Branson Missouri. Taney County assisting. Several...
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    “Ride the Ducks” is a tourist attraction in Branson in Taney County, but the incident happened on the lake in Stone County.


    The City of Branson Government posted a notice on Facebook Thursday evening.


    “While the incident did not occur in Branson, we are hoping and praying for all involved,” the post said. “As this is a developing situation, all questions should be directed to the Missouri Highway Patrol or the Stone County Sheriff’s Department.”


    The department tweeted shortly before 8:30 p.m. that “crews from multiple agencies are on scene of an MCI ‘Mass Casualty Incident’ ‘tourist type boat involved’ this is on Table Rock Lake, Stone County, Branson Missouri. Taney County assisting. Several patients transported ...”

    “We can confirm there are fatalities,” said Eric Nielsen, a spokesman with the Southern Stone County Fire Protection District.


    Nielsen said the coroner’s office is on scene.


    Mass casualty incidents typically denote at least 10 people killed or injured and as many as 20, Nielsen said.




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    The Branson Belle tourist attraction reportedly helped in the immediate rescue operation.

    Emergency crews were staging at the Branson Belle Dock but the tourist attraction is not involved in the incident, Nielsen said.
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    THere's video at the link. What a shame.

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    no life preservers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    no life preservers?
    They said they were on the boat but they're not sure if people were wearing them. I took the boys on a Duck boat ride at Stone Mountain and they wouldn't let you ride if you weren't wearing a life jacket.
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    sad... looked like pretty rough weather.

    Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows

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    So very sad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    no life preservers?
    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    They said they were on the boat but they're not sure if people were wearing them. I took the boys on a Duck boat ride at Stone Mountain and they wouldn't let you ride if you weren't wearing a life jacket.
    This may very well turn out to be a case of "safety" that killed.

    These vessels had some type of rigid canopy enclosure.

    You NEVER put on a life jacket inside the vessel.

    In the event of a capsizing, which this was, the flotation of the PFD will trap you upside down inside the hull, the house or the enclosure and drown you as the vessel sinks.
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 07-20-2018 at 11:05 AM.

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    Today I learned....

    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post

    You NEVER put on a life jacket inside the vessel.

    In the event of a capsizing, which this was, the flotation of the PFD will trap you upside down inside the hull, the house or the enclosure and drown you as the vessel sinks.
    So here's your fortune, AF. Design a boat where the canopy will break away if the boat capsizes.



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    http://www.uscgboating.org/regulatio...Life%20Jackets

    That's a link to state boating laws. There's no MO law that required the passengers to wear life jackets inside the cabin.

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    The very end of the video from the link in the OP shows about 20 seconds or less of footage of some passengers inside one of the boats not wearing life preservers - I don't know if it was the other boat that made it or the boat that sank, it makes more sense it was from the boat that made it though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    So here's your fortune, AF. Design a boat where the canopy will break away if the boat capsizes.
    Already been done...for boats.

    The problem is not so much the enclosure, but the vessel itself, which was never designed to have an enclosure.

    These "DUCKs"...

    (the acronym is based on GM's model assignment: D Designed in 1942 U Utility K All-wheel drive W Dual-Tandem rear axles)

    ...are not the most seaworthy of vessels at all. They were yet another bastard hybrid that came out of WW2 designing, they can crawl on land or wallow through water, they exist only because they do both, rather poorly.

    The trim and stability issues caused by having a bunch of people sit high up off the main deck and the sail area of a large enclosure only compounds the problem.

    They are curious tourist attractions and that's what creates a draw, but they were never designed to carry civilian passengers in comfort.

    This is not the first such incident to have happened.

    I'm not going to go Full Safety Retard and call for their banning, but, if you want to take a ride in one, know what you're getting into, and make sure you know where the PFDs are, how and WHEN to put them on and how to get out.
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 07-20-2018 at 12:01 PM.

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    Watching the video,,, I am suspecting a mechanical issue,, and bilge pump fail. (somewhat duck familiar)


    But AF is correct,, Not sea worthy,, and a calm water boat.
    Someone should have been watching weather closer and canceled the trip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Watching the video,,, I am suspecting a mechanical issue,, and bilge pump fail. (somewhat duck familiar)


    But AF is correct,, Not sea worthy,, and a calm water boat.
    Someone should have been watching weather closer and canceled the trip.
    Yeah, they were making water somewhere, big time...pump failure or overwhelmed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post

    I'm not going to go Full Safety Retard and call for their banning, but, if you want to take a ride in one, know what you're getting into, and make sure you know where the PFDs are, how and WHEN to put them on and how to get out.
    Is the boat that is taking on water at the end the boat that sank? It looks like the "windows" are plastic sheeting. If you were there, at what point would you have told people to get out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Is the boat that is taking on water at the end the boat that sank? It looks like the "windows" are plastic sheeting. If you were there, at what point would you have told people to get out?
    I would have had everyone in vests long before it got to that point..
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    I would have had everyone in vests long before it got to that point..
    Its just like seat belts - its generally a good idea for one to wear one's life jacket.

    In the duck scenario though, would it have made a difference?

    Seems similar to an aircraft situation - they have flotation devices that you can inflate after you exit the craft. A life vest can be a problem if you are contained within a sinking vehicle/vessel.

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    They should have turned around instead of treading water and found another place to dock or pull up onto dry land downwind..
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    They should have turned around instead of treading water and found another place to dock or pull up onto dry land downwind..
    Turning around would have sunk both faster,, One almost lost it on a course correction.

    Turn sideways to wind and wave and capsize immediately. Roll right over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brushfire View Post
    Its just like seat belts - its generally a good idea for one to wear one's life jacket.

    In the duck scenario though, would it have made a difference?

    Seems similar to an aircraft situation - they have flotation devices that you can inflate after you exit the craft. A life vest can be a problem if you are contained within a sinking vehicle/vessel.
    Windows are plastic and removable/movable. Vests were available(if not worn)

    Panic however is Fatal. Confusion and panic can kill you in a survivable situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    They should have turned around instead of treading water and found another place to dock or pull up onto dry land downwind..
    It looked to me like they were trying to get to land.

  24. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    It looked to me like they were trying to get to land.
    Yup,, one did.

    edit,, 17 dead reported now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Windows are plastic and removable/movable. Vests were available(if not worn)

    Panic however is Fatal. Confusion and panic can kill you in a survivable situation.
    Agreed - people are known to drown with their seatbelts on. Panic sets in and pushing a button is an impossible task.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    It looked to me like they were trying to get to land.
    Ya but on a lake land is every direction.. the closest land, or the area they were trying to get back to seemed to be directly into the wind.

    I'll have to refer to AF on this one, I do know that ship captains tend to direct their ships into the wind to take on open ocean swells.. but I would think they may have been able to angle over to another part of the lake shore that wasn't directly into the wind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Is the boat that is taking on water at the end the boat that sank? It looks like the "windows" are plastic sheeting. If you were there, at what point would you have told people to get out?
    That's called "isinglass", although a somewhat incorrect term. It's a heavy gauge clear vinyl, without a knife, you're not going to tear it open.

    It looks like it happened pretty quickly, and it's pointless to say "well I wouldn't have been in that position" but at the last moment, when it appears that the starboard deck is awash, I would have, literally, tossed people off after securing their PFDs.

    It's a lake, the water is warm, even if a non swimmer the PFD will keep you afloat and it looks like the shoreline was 100 feet away or less.

    Get them out of the enclosed vessel...I will bet hard money the investigation shows that most people drowned while stuck inside the boat, or being beaten up alongside the vessel while it sunk.

    Trained mariners cannot abandon ship under bad weather conditions...remember the El Faro.



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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Turning around would have sunk both faster,, One almost lost it on a course correction.

    Turn sideways to wind and wave and capsize immediately. Roll right over.
    Yup, Pete's right.

    Keep in mind these things are slow, under-powered and difficult to maneuver.

    Any well found passenger vessel would not have had nearly the trouble in riding out that breeze and sea, seas that are really nothing more than wind chop.

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    Sad. RIP to the 13 people.
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  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Already been done...for boats.

    The problem is not so much the enclosure, but the vessel itself, which was never designed to have an enclosure.

    These "DUCKs"...

    (the acronym is based on GM's model assignment: D Designed in 1942 U Utility K All-wheel drive W Dual-Tandem rear axles)

    ...are not the most seaworthy of vessels at all. They were yet another bastard hybrid that came out of WW2 designing, they can crawl on land or wallow through water, they exist only because they do both, rather poorly.

    The trim and stability issues caused by having a bunch of people sit high up off the main deck and the sail area of a large enclosure only compounds the problem.

    They are curious tourist attractions and that's what creates a draw, but they were never designed to carry civilian passengers in comfort.

    This is not the first such incident to have happened.

    I'm not going to go Full Safety Retard and call for their banning, but, if you want to take a ride in one, know what you're getting into, and make sure you know where the PFDs are, how and WHEN to put them on and how to get out.
    I am kind of amazed people are still using these things . When they were used to move troops the weight was down low to the bottom and the top was open.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post

    Trained mariners cannot abandon ship under bad weather conditions...remember the El Faro.
    We all know after a quick change into a dress, you'd be the first one to abandon ship.
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  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    That's called "isinglass", although a somewhat incorrect term. It's a heavy gauge clear vinyl, without a knife, you're not going to tear it open.
    .
    From pics, it looks like it is not permanent, more like a curtain that goes up and down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    That's called "isinglass", although a somewhat incorrect term. It's a heavy gauge clear vinyl, without a knife, you're not going to tear it open.

    It looks like it happened pretty quickly, and it's pointless to say "well I wouldn't have been in that position" but at the last moment, when it appears that the starboard deck is awash, I would have, literally, tossed people off after securing their PFDs.

    It's a lake, the water is warm, even if a non swimmer the PFD will keep you afloat and it looks like the shoreline was 100 feet away or less.

    Get them out of the enclosed vessel...I will bet hard money the investigation shows that most people drowned while stuck inside the boat, or being beaten up alongside the vessel while it sunk.

    Trained mariners cannot abandon ship under bad weather conditions...remember the El Faro.
    Watching the boat starting to take on water, I realized I would be stuck inside unless someone threw me out, or at least told me to go. That's what made me ask.

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