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    Right wingers stretch truth to try to justify accidental killing of black restaurant owner

    I am tired of arguing with the ridiculous. Here is a complete analysis of the surveillance video from the killing of David "Yaya" McAtee. He never had a gun in his hand, only BBQ tongs. You can see that clearly on the video. One man may have had a gun, but it is never pointed anywhere but at the ground in the entire video. When Mr. McAtee got shot, you can see him falling back into the restaurant clutching his chest, and again no gun. I don't fully blame the police on this one as whoever shot at the police created a dangerous situation. But the police shot without having a clear shot at a legitimate target and in doing so killed an innocent man. When a Somalian police officer shot blindly after hearing gun shots and killed an innocent blond haired Australian woman he got 12 years. Just saying. Anyway, he is the frame by frame analysis for whoever wants to see it. I may do a video later.

    https://myviralresponse.blogspot.com...to-try-to.html
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    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.



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    You or I would be charged and caged for the same actions. Remember that always.

    "fog of war". Bull$#@!.

    He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.

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    So the police officer was a white supremacist and finally thought he found an opportunity to shoot a black guy with bbq tongs because someone from that general direction was shooting at him, and you think he shot him because he was black?

    How many times did the police officer use the n-word?
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
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    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    So the police officer was a white supremacist and finally thought he found an opportunity to shoot a black guy with bbq tongs because someone from that general direction was shooting at him, and you think he shot him because he was black?

    How many times did the police officer use the n-word?
    Nice straw man. Is lying that important to you?
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    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    I am tired of arguing with the ridiculous. Here is a complete analysis of the surveillance video from the killing of David "Yaya" McAtee. He never had a gun in his hand, only BBQ tongs. You can see that clearly on the video. One man may have had a gun, but it is never pointed anywhere but at the ground in the entire video. When Mr. McAtee got shot, you can see him falling back into the restaurant clutching his chest, and again no gun. I don't fully blame the police on this one as whoever shot at the police created a dangerous situation. But the police shot without having a clear shot at a legitimate target and in doing so killed an innocent man. When a Somalian police officer shot blindly after hearing gun shots and killed an innocent blond haired Australian woman he got 12 years. Just saying. Anyway, he is the frame by frame analysis for whoever wants to see it. I may do a video later.

    https://myviralresponse.blogspot.com...to-try-to.html
    What's your point? Do you think the US has a racist problem? If so what is your solution?

    My "smaller" problem is that when you look at the overall statistics there's little evidence of racism, it's only when you use anecdotal evidence and sensationalize individual cases that it appears to be a problem.

    My much bigger problem is that the cure (socialism) is a thousand times worse than the disease. Socialism is already making the problems worse for example welfare, illegal drugs, discrimination laws, government schools, etc. If there is a problem and we want to fix it we need to try individual liberty for a change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Nice straw man. Is lying that important to you?
    If a police officer is being SHOT AT, then yes, they may make poor judgments and if they feel justified to drag him through court, I guess they can do that. I just don't see what this case has to do with racism. When you are being SHOT AT, it doesn't matter what a person's race is.

    When somebody is trying to steal your shotgun out of your hands to murder you, it doesn't $#@!ing matter what their race is.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    If a police officer is being SHOT AT, then yes, they may make poor judgments and if they feel justified to drag him through court, I guess they can do that. I just don't see what this case has to do with racism. When you are being SHOT AT, it doesn't matter what a person's race is.
    Another straw man argument. Dishonesty is strong with you. The first story I posted about this acknowledged that someone shot at the police. You and someone else tried to lie and say the man who was killed shot at the police. There is a huge difference between "The cops made and understandable mistake" (debatable as they didn't shoot the person shooting at them) and "The restaurant owner asked for it by shooting at the cops."

    When somebody is trying to steal your shotgun out of your hands to murder you, it doesn't $#@!ing matter what their race is.
    Nothing to do with this thread. But if you try to do a citizens arrest without evidence of a crime and you kill someone you can't claim self defence even if they put their hand on your gun. You created the dangerous situation. Using your logic, when the hero of the Waffle House shooting disarmed the shooter he was attempting murder. The shooter is still alive awaiting trial and the prosecutors have announced they will not seek the death penalty.
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    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Another straw man argument. Dishonesty is strong with you. The first story I posted about this acknowledged that someone shot at the police. You and someone else tried to lie and say the man who was killed shot at the police. There is a huge difference between "The cops made and understandable mistake" (debatable as they didn't shoot the person shooting at them) and "The restaurant owner asked for it by shooting at the cops."



    Nothing to do with this thread. But if you try to do a citizens arrest without evidence of a crime and you kill someone you can't claim self defence even if they put their hand on your gun. You created the dangerous situation. Using your logic, when the hero of the Waffle House shooting disarmed the shooter he was attempting murder. The shooter is still alive awaiting trial and the prosecutors have announced they will not seek the death penalty.
    Hard to have discussions with a person who is not paying attention to anything else happening in the world..

    Do you know how many people have died and how many thousands of injuries have occurred so far because these stories are being categorized as "another white guy/cop hunts down and kills another black man" narrative? Do you not see where this is heading if the media keeps having their way with these stories?

    This incident has nothing to do with race. The reason conservatives are pointing out inconsistencies in a lot of these cases and showing that it is likely there were some other motivations, including Arbery, is not necessarily to say that they made the best decisions, and not necessarily to say that they are totally innocent and there should be no sort of criminal investigation into what happened.. the main reason is because the mainstream media narrative is that these black men were killed by white men/cops because they were black, because they were being hunted down..

    If you don't see a serious problem with that, then I don't know what to tell you..
    Last edited by dannno; 06-18-2020 at 11:45 AM.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."



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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Hard to have discussions with a person who is not paying attention to anything else happening in the world..
    You mean it's hard when you have discussions with yourself? Face it. You got caught in a lie. The restaurant owner didn't fire the shot. Maybe you made an honest mistake repeating someone else's lie without verifying it yourself. Now you have stated the conclusion which I stated from jump which is the cops made a mistake. Fine. But that was not an excuse to engage in character assassination of the victim the way you and others did.

    Do you know how many people have died and how many thousands of injuries have occurred so far because these stories are being categorized as "another white guy/cop hunts down and kills another black man" narrative? Do you not see where this is heading if the media keeps having their way with these stories?
    I don't know and you don't either. But this story was not characterised as "white guy hunts down and kills another black man." So....another lie from you. The race of the cops that shot him is unknown. Whether they were aiming for him or even aiming at all is unknown. All that is known is that he didn't have a gun, there's no evidence that a shot was fired from his place, he was friendly to the police, and now he's dead. There's a lot of ways you could have spun this story. You could have talked about how some violent men shooting at the police created a dangerous situation to which I would have agreed. Instead you chose to back up a lie and smear an innocent dead man. Shame on you.

    This incident has nothing to do with race.
    I didn't say it did and I didn't say it didn't. But if the victim was white I sincerely doubt you would have gone along with smearing him for no reason whatsoever the way that you did. In the thread about white people killed, @AntiFederalist posted a picture of Vicki Weaver. The truth is that by the time Vicki Weaver was killed there had already been a gun battle where a U.S. Marshall was killed. I agree with AF that the situation should have been handled without anyone getting killed. But using your standard, the Weavers brought it on themselves. In cases where the victim is black you go out of your way to blame the victim.

    The reason conservatives are pointing out inconsistencies in a lot of these cases and showing that it is likely there were some other motivations, including Arbery, is not necessarily to say that they made the best decisions, and not necessarily to say that they are totally innocent and there should be no sort of criminal investigation into what happened.. the main reason is because the mainstream media narrative is that these black men were killed by white men/cops because they were black, because they were being hunted down..

    If you don't see a serious problem with that, then I don't know what to tell you..
    I see a serious problem with you smearing a man who did nothing to contribute to his death while you do not put that same scrutiny on people like Vicki Weaver. If you don't see a problem with what you are doing then I don't know what to tell you.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    ALL
    americans are hunted, milked, and propagandized

    i thought THAT was the problem
    FLIP THOSE FLAGS, THE NATION IS IN DISTRESS!


    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
    The state's only purpose is to kill and control. Why do you worship it? - Sola_Fide

    Baptiste said.
    At which point will Americans realize that creating an unaccountable institution that is able to pass its liability on to tax-payers is immoral and attracts sociopaths?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkr View Post
    ALL
    americans are hunted, milked, and propagandized

    i thought THAT was the problem
    It is. Some of us care about all Americans being hunted. Others seek to blame the victim in certain circumstances.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    What's your point? Do you think the US has a racist problem? If so what is your solution?

    My "smaller" problem is that when you look at the overall statistics there's little evidence of racism, it's only when you use anecdotal evidence and sensationalize individual cases that it appears to be a problem.

    My much bigger problem is that the cure (socialism) is a thousand times worse than the disease. Socialism is already making the problems worse for example welfare, illegal drugs, discrimination laws, government schools, etc. If there is a problem and we want to fix it we need to try individual liberty for a change.
    There is definitely a race problem- and for ALL races.

    I have Oriental/American friends who are screamed at & threatened because of the coronavirus. The Japanese/Americans were put in concentration camps. Hispanics are hated & the hate is pushed for the WoD; Muslims were used to blame the 911 farce; in the slave-trade days, the Irish were hated & not considered "white".

    And, of course, blacks have suffered severely through the years.

    Court Acknowledges Wrongful Execution of 14-Year Old George Stinney
    12.19.14
    An African-American boy, George Stinney, who was executed when he was 14 years old for the killing of two young white girls, was exonerated this week, seventy years after he became the youngest person executed in the U.S. in the 1900s. A South Carolina judge ruled he was denied due process.

    When George was executed, he was so small that the straps of South Carolina’s electric chair didn’t fit him properly, and state officials had him sit on a book for his electrocution. (eta: Ironically, the book was his Bible)

    Less than three months before his execution, George and his sister were playing in their yard when two young white girls briefly approached them and asked where they could find flowers. Hours later, the girls failed to return home and a search party was organized to find them. George Stinney, a member of the search party, casually mentioned to a bystander that he had seen the girls earlier. The following morning, their dead bodies were found in a shallow ditch.

    George was immediately arrested for the murders and subjected to hours of interrogation without his parents or an attorney. The sheriff later claimed he confessed to the murders, though no written or signed statement was presented. George’s father was fired from his job and his family forced to flee out of fear for their lives. A mob attempted to lynch George but he had already been moved to an out-of-town jail.

    George faced a sham trial virtually alone. No African-Americans were allowed inside the courthouse and his court-appointed attorney, a tax lawyer with political aspirations, failed to call a single witness. The prosecution presented the sheriff’s testimony regarding George’s alleged confession as the only evidence of his guilt. An all-white jury deliberated for ten minutes before convicting George Stinney of rape and murder, and the judge promptly sentenced the fourteen-year-old to death. He was executed on June 16, 1944, and remains the youngest person executed in the United States in the twentieth century.

    George’s family members and various civil rights advocates have sought to clear his name of the murders in recent years. In January 2014, a judge held a two-day hearing, which included testimony from three of George’s surviving siblings, members of the search party, and several experts. The state argued at the hearing that George’s conviction should stand.

    In vacating the conviction, the judge found that George Stinney was fundamentally deprived of due process throughout the proceedings against him, that the alleged confession “simply cannot be said to be known and voluntary,” that the court-appointed attorney “did little to nothing” to defend George, and that his representation was “the essence of being ineffective.” The judge concluded: “I can think of no greater injustice.”
    Emmett Till was beaten, shot in the head, & hanged for the alleged "crime" of insulting a white woman.

    Woman Linked to 1955 Emmett Till Murder Tells Historian Her Claims Were False
    By Richard Pérez-Peña
    • Jan. 27, 2017
    For six decades, she has been the silent woman linked to one of the most notorious crimes in the nation’s history, the lynching of Emmett Till, a 14-year-old black boy, keeping her thoughts and memories to herself as millions of strangers idealized or vilified her.

    But all these years later, a historian says that the woman has broken her silence, and acknowledged that the most incendiary parts of the story she and others told about Emmett — claims that seem tame today but were more than enough to get a black person killed in Jim Crow-era Mississippi — were false.

    The woman, Carolyn Bryant Donham, spoke to Timothy B. Tyson, a Duke University professor — possibly the only interview she has given to a historian or journalist since shortly after the episode — who has written a book, “The Blood of Emmett Till,” to be published next week.

    In it, he wrote that she said of her long-ago allegations that Emmett grabbed her and was menacing and sexually crude toward her, “that part is not true.”


    I don't want this whole BS to turn into Hate-Whities, either, but it's time to acknowledge what has been going on for centuries & learn to love our fellowman- white, black, yellow, red, purple, pink, orange, blue, whatever.
    There is no spoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    I don't want this whole BS to turn into Hate-Whities, either, but it's time to acknowledge what has been going on for centuries & learn to love our fellowman- white, black, yellow, red, purple, pink, orange, blue, whatever.
    A nice notion...too bad the Marxist revolutionaries and the genocidal globalists behind the Bolshevik/Jacobin mobs don't believe a word of that.

    There is time for all things.

    The time to harden the heart for war and hate is here.
    “Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.” - Arnold Toynbee

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    A nice notion...too bad the Marxist revolutionaries and the genocidal globalists behind the Bolshevik/Jacobin mobs don't believe a word of that.

    There is time for all things.

    The time to harden the heart for war and hate is here.
    Becoming just like them is not the answer.
    There is no spoon.

  17. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Becoming just like them is not the answer.
    When you whip up bloodthirsty mobs, hell bent on purifying the new order, the result is the death camp, the killing fields, the GULAG, the mass grave.

    When that time comes, I will not comply.

    I will fight until I am dead, and I will give no quarter to my enemies.
    “Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.” - Arnold Toynbee

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    When you whip up bloodthirsty mobs, hell bent on purifying the new order, the result is the death camp, the killing fields, the GULAG, the mass grave.

    When that time comes, I will not comply.

    I will fight until I am dead, and I will give no quarter to my enemies.
    I am not disagreeing- but maybe it's time to really acknowledge who's pulling the strings on BOTH sides & step away from that.
    There is no spoon.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    There is definitely a race problem- and for ALL races.

    I have Oriental/American friends who are screamed at & threatened because of the coronavirus. The Japanese/Americans were put in concentration camps. Hispanics are hated & the hate is pushed for the WoD; Muslims were used to blame the 911 farce; in the slave-trade days, the Irish were hated & not considered "white".

    And, of course, blacks have suffered severely through the years.



    Emmett Till was beaten, shot in the head, & hanged for the alleged "crime" of insulting a white woman.





    I don't want this whole BS to turn into Hate-Whities, either, but it's time to acknowledge what has been going on for centuries & learn to love our fellowman- white, black, yellow, red, purple, pink, orange, blue, whatever.
    So what's your solution?

    There's lots of problems, it's the solutions I'm more worried about.

  21. #18
    I suppose that some people do sit around thinking about who they hate and how they want to do something to take that person or group of persons out.

    I guess there are people who sit around lamenting over what a victim they are.

    My mother was thrown into an internment camp what she was a little girl along with her mother and her mother's sister, and her grandparents because they were from Germany. While my grand father was forced to work for the government because he was a scientist. My mother finally told us about this about 10 years before her death. My great grand mother was a Jew and her Husband was Mongolian. My great grand mother had escaped from Russia and went to Germany then she ran from Hitler then she was thrown in the interment camp in the USA.
    My mother cried and cried when she told me this story and I asked her why did she wait so long to tell us and she said because she didn't want us to see ourselves as victims. My father was one third black and I never knew about it until many years after his death. The reason the family never said anything is because when my great parents were married it was illegal for black and whites to marry.

    All this blew my mind but it finally all made sence to me why my mother and father were the way they were so full of unspoken truths which always made me feel like there was something about myself that I just did not understand. When I was a little girl I wanted my mom to braid my hair into a bunch of braids like my friend who was a black girl. Everyone was horrified including the black family.

    My point is there is always some kind of skeleton laying around in some closet that causes confusion and anxiety. I do know it is not good to see oneself as a victim and you can be anything you want to be and it doesn't matter at all what color you are. If you look at everyone as though they hate you you can probably find evidence false or not that someone doesn't like you. I think dope should be legal I think that would solve a lot of problems that seems to help a long the race thing a lot. I don't think he will but it would be funny as hell if Trump made all drugs legal.

  22. #19
    Define race. Seriously. We can’t have it both ways. Either we believe in race as a social construct or we don’t. And in this day and time it’s not wise to judge a book by its cover. DNA testing is showing a lot of people have a mixture of one description or another. It might be a good idea for everyone to take a deep breath and figure out whether the narrative matches your experience or not.
    #NashvilleStrong

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