Would you work for $25/hour?

[CaptUSA]

Please, tell us more about these immigration restrictions that preceded the Page Act (1875). I do so enjoy when somebody reveals a previously undiscovered page in American history.

You're confused. He said his "funding" fathers... Not "Founding Fathers". He was referring to those that bankroll his internet trolling.

[The Northbreather]

Home Depot parking lots in L.A. and such. Day laybor.

You roll up to a group of workers and start negotiations.

Of course they're going to try to hit you high at first, who wouldn't?

If a guy has his own truck he'll charge more to be the boss, I've also heard they've become pricey and picky lately...

[Suzanimal]

Wait, what?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6424550

[Brian4Liberty]

Well, which area are you talking about and what skills in particular are we talking about? do you means skills to lift, push or pull objects or are you talking about trade skills. If its the latter, then it depends on my skill. Carpenters, brick layers, roofers make about $20/hr in my very middle class city and so if I was any of those, I probably would not take it even with under the table pay.

On first reading, I actually thought you were talking about unskilled labourers. I mean, why else would you ask a group of random people if they would take the job if a specific trade skill was part of the requirement?

Landscaping, but that can include more than digging and lifting.

And if I understand the process correctly, the people looking for workers will ask around for workers with particular skills. Doesn't everyone who is hiring ask a couple of questions before hiring? Resumes aren't required, but it isn't all "jump in the back, I have random work for you". It's an underground economy, but that doesn't mean there isn't some interrogation and negotiation.

[angelatc]

Just a real world economic data point. Heard today that the Hispanic day labor workers are charging $25/hour, nothing less. General labor kinds of tasks. Most likely under the table dollars.

How much would an unemployed US citizen charge? If it were above-board, that $25 gross would probably net less minus assorted payroll taxes.

If they were real employees the employer would have to have Obamacare for them. As long as insurance prices keep going up,wages for us are going to stay flat.

[Brian4Liberty]

Home Depot parking lots in L.A. and such. Day laybor.

You roll up to a group of workers and start negotiations.

Of course they're going to try to hit you high at first, who wouldn't?

If a guy has his own truck he'll charge more to be the boss, I've also heard they've become pricey and picky lately...

Do you have studies from a beltway think-tank, official government sources, Forbes and the WSJ to back that up?

[oyarde]

Wait, what?

In the Merry Christmas thread.

[Madison320]

Just a real world economic data point. Heard today that the Hispanic day labor workers are charging $25/hour, nothing less. General labor kinds of tasks. Most likely under the table dollars.

How much would an unemployed US citizen charge? If it were above-board, that $25 gross would probably net less minus assorted payroll taxes.

$25 an hour! What the hell are they doing, structural engineering? I've got a degree in computer science and 20 years experience and I only make $35 an hour. That doesn't sound right.

[timosman]

$25 an hour! What the hell are they doing, structural engineering? I've got a degree in computer science and 20 years experience and I only make $35 an hour. That doesn't sound right.

Are you the $#@! who drives everybody's wages down?

[Madison320]

Are you the $#@! who drives everybody's wages down?

It's all my fault!

[timosman]

It's all my fault!

I work for so little that when they tried to replace me with an H1B it turned out to be more expensive. I guess my job is safe.

[juleswin]

$25 an hour! What the hell are they doing, structural engineering? I've got a degree in computer science and 20 years experience and I only make $35 an hour. That doesn't sound right.

Is that $35 after taxes? Cos the guys in the story are getting $25 under the table pay. If u can believe that.

[TheTexan]

$25 an hour! What the hell are they doing, structural engineering? I've got a degree in computer science and 20 years experience and I only make $35 an hour. That doesn't sound right.

Holy cow, $35 an hour¿?

I bet you live in a mansion

[Zippyjuan]

$25 an hour is the US median income (assuming working 2000 hours a year- that is, 40 hours a week 50 weeks a year.)

[oyarde]

$25 an hour! What the hell are they doing, structural engineering? I've got a degree in computer science and 20 years experience and I only make $35 an hour. That doesn't sound right.

I get 20 an hour loafing and drinking coffee .Hard to say how much I would need to work .

[angelatc]

I live in logging, farming, and stone cutting country.
There's probably less than 1% of "employees with on book jobs" making more than $17.50/hr within 30 miles of here.

Factor in the cost of their employer paid taxes and benefits and you're probably in the ballpark. Difference being that they get to spend their money how they choose, while 25% or more of our compensation is dictated by government.

[phill4paul]

I could see some getting that much in up-scale neighborhoods. I payed my Mexican worker $15/hr. cash and live in a smallish town.

[Superfluous Man]

while 25% or more of our compensation is dictated by government.

Unless you choose to work for cash under the table, which you could just as easily (more easily really) as any unlawful resident.

People talk about unlawful residents doing that as if it gives them an unfair advantage over everyone else, which is ridiculous. The truth is, most people prefer not to do it that way, including those unlawful residents who resort to it out of necessity.

[oyarde]

I could see some getting that much in up-scale neighborhoods. I payed my Mexican worker $15/hr. cash and live in a smallish town.

Yeah I know construction , carpenter and landscape guys who get 15 - 20 and I am in a low cost of living area .

[oyarde]

Factor in the cost of their employer paid taxes and benefits and you're probably in the ballpark. Difference being that they get to spend their money how they choose, while 25% or more of our compensation is dictated by government.

I imagine 17.50 an hour , some OT , couple weeks of pd vacation , health ins , ten pd holidays , 401k match would probably be like making 25 or more .

[angelatc]

Unless you choose to work for cash under the table, which you could just as easily (more easily really) as any unlawful resident.

People talk about unlawful residents doing that as if it gives them an unfair advantage over everyone else, which is ridiculous. The truth is, most people prefer not to do it that way, including those unlawful residents who resort to it out of necessity.

My guess is you've never done payroll, prepared taxes or run a business, because you are pretty much 100% just wrong.

[armstrong]

Interesting topic, I find in my state which is not California, is a mecca for illegals , they nearly have taken over all field work, landscaping, framing, flooring, siding, roofing, cabinetry, as well as way to much to list, In my state 20 dollars an hour is a wage you will become homeless as you cannot rent a small 2bdrm 1 car garage on those wages as it will be 50% + of your take home pay , yes you can find something so far from anything and you will not find any jobs . Its not about minimum wage as I see it , its housing cost as a percentage of normal take home pay for a man with say 5-10 years experience is making . but some reason wages are stagnate and cost to survive keeps going up ,I see it everyday , so day workers are coming on more ,,hmmm we have maybe a good guess in my state 100 thousand easy illegals with family members also...wow that's a lot of jobs and a lot of housing ,,go figure,,,

[Origanalist]

My guess is you've never done payroll, prepared taxes or run a business, because you are pretty much 100% just wrong.

Oh ya.

[Superfluous Man]

My guess is you've never done payroll, prepared taxes or run a business, because you are pretty much 100% just wrong.

How is that?

People who do payroll somehow have a way to pay unlawful residents under the table, but that same method magically doesn't work if they're here legally?

So if I went and stood in a crowd at Home Depot and did exactly what the undocumented immigrant workers do, it somehow wouldn't work for me?

[angelatc]

I imagine 17.50 an hour , some OT , couple weeks of pd vacation , health ins , ten pd holidays , 401k match would probably be like making 25 or more .

17.50 an hour.
(1.34) FICA (You pay)
(2.75) Health Insurance (you pay
1.05 FUTA (employer pays)
1.34 FICA (Employer pays)
6.70 (Employer-paid premium)

So, 17.50 an hour minus $4.09 that you are forced to pay is $13.41 / hr. Add the $1.05, $1.34, and $6.70 that the employer is paying on your behalf, and you're at $22.50. Less if your state also has an income tax.

Meanwhile, the illegals are allegedly at $25.00, with no obligation to buy or report or claim anything.

If you're an American, and you hire under the table, the government can and will take everything you own . If you work under the table and get caught, they will prosecute you.

If you're an illegal, they deport you, but you can just come back the next day.

[oyarde]

Holy cow, $35 an hour¿?

I bet you live in a mansion

I could get a mansion here on 30 . I was making 7 when I bought my first estate .

[angelatc]

Interesting topic, I find in my state which is not California, is a mecca for illegals , they nearly have taken over all field work, landscaping, framing, flooring, siding, roofing, cabinetry, as well as way to much to list, In my state 20 dollars an hour is a wage you will become homeless as you cannot rent a small 2bdrm 1 car garage on those wages as it will be 50% + of your take home pay , yes you can find something so far from anything and you will not find any jobs . Its not about minimum wage as I see it , its housing cost as a percentage of normal take home pay for a man with say 5-10 years experience is making . but some reason wages are stagnate and cost to survive keeps going up ,I see it everyday , so day workers are coming on more ,,hmmm we have maybe a good guess in my state 100 thousand easy illegals with family members also...wow that's a lot of jobs and a lot of housing ,,go figure,,,

More people = lower wages and higher housing costs.

[Anti Federalist]

Koreans tighter than Indians ? Shameful . I will see what I can do to fix that .

Wrong type of Injun there, chief.

[angelatc]

How is that?

People who do payroll somehow have a way to pay unlawful residents under the table, but that same method magically doesn't work if they're here legally?

So if I went and stood in a crowd at Home Depot and did exactly what the undocumented immigrant workers do, it somehow wouldn't work for me?

If you're an American, and you hire under the table, the government can and will take everything you own . If you work under the table and get caught, they will prosecute you. A local dentist here just went to prison for 25 years for this.

If you're an illegal, they deport you, but you can just come back the next day.

[Anti Federalist]

If you're an American, and you hire under the table, the government can and will take everything you own . If you work under the table and get caught, they will prosecute you. A local dentist here just went to prison for 25 years for this.

If you're an illegal, they deport you, but you can just come back the next day.

May deport you.

Even with all the Trump ruckus, still highly unlikely.

Less likely than going to jail as a "citizen".