Radar Proof of Buried Nazi Treasure Train - Polish Officials Now Involved

[wizardwatson]

This story is breaking like crazy because the 2 guys that apparently "discovered" the underground train have managed to convince the officials enough that they've been guaranteed a 10% finders fee apparently. Apparently the radar images clearly show a buried armored train.

On the one hand I would suspect it to be empty, as anyone who knew about it would have been tempted to recover the valuables. On the other hand if it isn't empty it makes me wonder what exactly is in there. What was the reason for keeping such a secret (other than not being outed as a Nazi).

Should be interesting. Sounds like a movie already. If there's actually treasure there, would be crazy.

Nazi Gold-Train Hunters Used Map Drawn on Deathbed: Official

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/po...ld-map-n417701

[images and video at link, thought I'm not sure the tunnel images are of the train tunnel in question]

WARSAW, Poland

Two treasure hunters who claim to have found a Nazi train filled with gold in Poland discovered it by following a map drawn up by one of the people who hid it around 70 years ago, a Polish government minister said Friday.

The map was drawn by a man who helped conceal the carriages at the end of World War II and passed it on "on his deathbed," Poland's Deputy Culture Minister Piotr Zuchowski said. He did not give any more details on the map's creator or how the men obtained it.

The deputy minister said he was "more than 99 percent sure that the train is there," but stopped short of confirming the claim that it was filled with gold, weapons and valuable art.

Zuchowski said officials had been able to locate the 100-yard-long military train using ground-penetrating radar.

"We do not know what is inside. Probably military materials, some kind of jewelry, art and archives," he said, calling the find "unprecedented."

He added that the train could contain "valuables, but it could contain also dangerous materials from the Second World War."

Two tipsters, a Polish and a German national, said last week they found the train hidden underground near the Polish city of Walbrzych. The deputy minister said if the find was confirmed the pair would receive a 10 percent finders' fee.

The reported find has sparked a flood of other treasure hunters to flock to the area. But Zuchowski warned people to stay away because the train may be booby-trapped.

"There is a huge probability that the train is mined," he said in a statement Thursday, without providing an explanation for his theory.

The rumor of a lost Nazi train filled with gold is a well-known locally. It apparently went missing inside air raid tunnels during the advance of the Soviet Army towards Berlin in 1945.

Some believe that a top Nazi commander put stolen gold and bank deposits from the city of Wroclaw on a train that left the city.

Zuchowski said he was sure there was such a "gold train" in existence, but did not confirm that it was the one found near Walbrzych.

[CPUd]

BREAKING: camera probe brings us the first image of the contents of the buried train

[Anti Federalist]

Top men are on it...

Top men.

[TaftFan]

[Zippyjuan]

Just trying to be logical but if you had a train full of gold and enemy armies closing in on you, why would you spend the time to bury it knowing it would be behind enemy lines soon and not bring it back to your own territory where you could still have it? Probably just rusty (by now) weaponry they didn't want to leave in enemy hands.

Will this be another "Al Capone's Vault"?

[wizardwatson]

Just trying to be logical but if you had a train full of gold and enemy armies closing in on you, why would you spend the time to bury it knowing it would be behind enemy lines soon and not bring it back to your own territory where you could still have it? Probably just rusty (by now) weaponry they didn't want to leave in enemy hands.

Will this be another "Al Capone's Vault"?

Well, like I said in OP, I would suspect it's empty (or "junk" as you say), but this year has been pretty weird. We did find a warm blooded fish. Maybe there's something to the legend.

We don't even know whether it's THE "gold train".

What's being peddled as "fact" are three things currently.

1. Officials have radar images of 100+ meter "armored train shaped" object underground.
2. Map to train was supposedly drawn by Nazi on his deathbed.
3. There is a legend of a lost train of Nazi gold.

Not a lot, but enough to warrant interest.

[The Northbreather]

Just trying to be logical but if you had a train full of gold and enemy armies closing in on you, why would you spend the time to bury it knowing it would be behind enemy lines soon and not bring it back to your own territory where you could still have it? Probably just rusty (by now) weaponry they didn't want to leave in enemy hands.

Will this be another "Al Capone's Vault"?

Too heavy to move?

[luctor-et-emergo]

Just trying to be logical but if you had a train full of gold and enemy armies closing in on you, why would you spend the time to bury it knowing it would be behind enemy lines soon and not bring it back to your own territory where you could still have it? Probably just rusty (by now) weaponry they didn't want to leave in enemy hands.

Will this be another "Al Capone's Vault"?

In the last months of WWII there were a lot of nazi treasures hidden. They spent quite a lot of time and effort on it. I think it's rather likely that it's filled with treasure. The hardened SS and other factions really thought they were still going to win so they would have gone to great lengths to protect their treasure from capture.

[anaconda]

I saw this about 3 years ago and it blew my mind. Has anyone else heard of this or looked into this (The Black Eagle Trust Fund)?:

http://www.wanttoknow.info/911/black_eagle_trust_fund

[Danke]

How generous of the bureaucrats to let them keep 10%.

[Henry Rogue]

If Geraldo does a live broadcast, I aint watching. Fool me twice, shame on me.

[wizardwatson]

How generous of the bureaucrats to let them keep 10%.

Well, I'm waiting for the Holocaust/Jew angle to develop. Which will happen the instant it's determined there is anything valuable there. Then their 10% will be scandalous.

Assuming it's like the Hungarian Train that had things stolen from Jews on it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_Gold_Train

In 2001, Hungarian Holocaust survivors filed a lawsuit in a Florida district court against the United States government for the government's mishandling of the assets on the Hungarian Gold Train. David Mermelstein, was the only survivor present at the mediation. In 2005, the government reached a settlement worth $25.5 million. The money was allocated for distribution to various Jewish social service agencies for the benefit of Holocaust survivors.

[GunnyFreedom]

Just trying to be logical but if you had a train full of gold and enemy armies closing in on you, why would you spend the time to bury it knowing it would be behind enemy lines soon and not bring it back to your own territory where you could still have it? Probably just rusty (by now) weaponry they didn't want to leave in enemy hands.

Will this be another "Al Capone's Vault"?

I dunno. I don't necessarily believe it has treasure in it, but if it was weapons they didn't want the Allies getting ahold of it would take way less time and effort, and achieve far more certain results just to destroy it. "Treasure" makes more sense to bury. Masterpiece paintings that they didn't think should be destroyed, or gold which really can't be destroyed. I think there are other more likely possibilities besides 'treasure,' like maybe evidence of research that would have cast them in a bad light, or a hidden command and control bunker with a secret entrance somewhere, or who knows. I'm not sold on it being a treasure train, but weapons just don't make sense. It's way easier to just destroy weapons than to bury them.

[Zippyjuan]

Too heavy to move?

It is a train. Trains have wheels and track. They move. It is what they are designed to do.

He said he was shown an image — albeit blurred — from a ground-penetrating radar that showed the shape of a train platform and cannons, and added he was "more than 99 percent certain that this train exists."

So the shared image doesn't even show a train or even part of one. I would think they would present better evidence than that. http://news.yahoo.com/radar-detects-...124244439.html

[wizardwatson]

It is a train. Trains have wheels and track. They move. It is what they are designed to do.

So the shared image doesn't even show a train.

It is near tracks.

Are you like the resident skeptic on everything? Why is finding a buried train weird? I mean, sure the claim to treasure being there is open for debate but I don't understand why you're so skeptical of it even being a train. Why would Polish officials go public if they weren't even sure the object was a train?

Another article, this one stating that the site is near old tracks:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ealed-location

Poland’s deputy culture minister, Piotr Zuchowski, said ground-penetrating radar had found images of a buried train near Wałbrzych, in the country’s south-west, on a 4km stretch of railway near the Wroclaw-Wałbrzych line.

[Zippyjuan]

That was the Deputy Culture Minister quoted in my post. He thinks there is a train there but wasn't shown any actual train according to his statement. Yes- I do tend to be a skeptic. He saw a train platform and some cannons in the image. But he is "convinced" that there is likely one there. Just hasn't seen any evidence it is really there.

"We will be 100 percent sure only when we find the train," Zuchowski added.

[RonPaulMall]

It is probably fine art that the Germans didn't want destroyed. Trains had to be hidden by that point because the situation in the air was such that nothing could be transported back to Germany without serious risk of being bombed. Some of the greatest treasures of Europe were being pulverized in the latter stages of the war. That is what happened to the priceless Amber Room, which was destroyed either by the British via aerial bombing in 1944 or if it survived that, by the Russians themselves in 1945 when they destroyed what was left of Königsberg Castle via shelling.

[CaseyJones]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/25/wo...in-poland.html

Hunt for Nazi Gold Train Digs Up Nothing but Dirt

Two treasure hunters who were hoping to find a buried Nazi train full of gold, jewels and weapons halted their efforts on Wednesday, after a week of digging turned up no sign of the train.

The excavation began last week outside the town of Walbrzych, Poland, in an area that was part of Germany before World War II. The dig became the subject of intense interest after the treasure hunters claimed last year that they had found what appeared to be a buried rail tunnel that might contain such a train.

According to local lore, the train vanished after it entered a complex of secret tunnels carved by the Germans into the Owl Mountains as they fled the advancing Soviet Army in 1945. But skeptics have said there was no hard evidence to corroborate the story, and the digging near Walbrzych did not change that.

“Unfortunately, the excavation has revealed no train, no tunnel and no trackway in the location where we thought they would be,” Andrzej Gaik, a spokesman for the project, said Wednesday in a telephone interview.

[wizardwatson]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/25/wo...in-poland.html

Hunt for Nazi Gold Train Digs Up Nothing but Dirt

Thanks for update CaseyJones.

[oyarde]

BREAKING: camera probe brings us the first image of the contents of the buried train

Nah , I know where that is and it is not Poland .

[oyarde]

How generous of the bureaucrats to let them keep 10%.

They should have hired me to negotiate the deal for them .

[William Tell]

Nah , I know where that is and it is not Poland .

How many War Nickels did you trade for it?

[oyarde]

How many War Nickels did you trade for it?

I could make that deal .LOL

[SewrRatt]

Yes- I do tend to be a skeptic.

If the US government put out a press release saying that the train was filled with hibernating aliens and that the Russians were about to invade Poland to wake them up and start an intergalactic war on democracy, you would be here quoting it and bolding all the scariest parts as if they were incontrovertible proof.

[juleswin]

In the last months of WWII there were a lot of nazi treasures hidden. They spent quite a lot of time and effort on it. I think it's rather likely that it's filled with treasure. The hardened SS and other factions really thought they were still going to win so they would have gone to great lengths to protect their treasure from capture.

Yea they thought they were going to win but then we were told that the same hardened SS started hiding the evidence of genocide months before the war ended, digging up mass graves, burning the remains and spreading their ashes to the wind. Could it be that they were also confused about the outcome of the war?