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    Fed.Gov Spends More On Immigration Enforcement Than Any Other Federal Agency in the Country

    The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) operates the largest immigration detention system in the world.

    The federal government spends more on immigration enforcement than on any other federal enforcement agency in the country.

    CoreCivic and GeoGroup (GEO) have acquired billions of dollars in revenue from the for-profit prison and detention center systems in the U.S. and abroad since the 1980s.

    CoreCivic, founded in 1983, is the largest private prison corporation in the world. The company owns and operates over 100 correctional and detention centers across the country. CoreCivic was the first company to design, build and operate a migrant detention facility in the U.S.

    GEO, the second largest private prison organization in the world, is a Florida-based company specializing in privatized corrections, detentions and mental health treatment. It also operates both prisons and migrant detention centers in the U.S. and abroad.

    Both companies are currently contracted by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to build, design and operate migrant detention facilities across the country.

    ICE heavily depends on the private sector in most aspects of immigrant detention.

    The agency told reporters from U.S. News that 72% of beds for migrant detention were in privately run facilities in 2016, up from 49 percent in 2009.

    According to USA Spending, since President Donald Trump took office, ICE has awarded over $480 million in federal funds to GEO and over $331 million to CoreCivic.

    An analysis from Bloomberg Government found the total fiscal spending in 2018 on immigration detention was $7.4 billion, a $2.1 billion increase since 2014.

    CoreCivic and GEO received boosts in total profit of $85 million and $121 million over that period.

    In 2018, CoreCivic reported $1.83 billion in revenue, almost half of which came from federal contracts with U.S. Marshals, the Bureau of Prisons, which also holds detained immigrants, and ICE. Contracts between CoreCivic and ICE account for 27 percent of the company’s revenue according to a financial report by the company.

    GEO runs 14 ICE detention centers with a combined capacity of 14,966 people. In 2017, GEO surpassed CoreCivic to become the largest operator of ICE facilities in the U.S., receiving over $500 million in contracts from ICE that year.

    A 2016 study from researchers at the entitled The Central European Journal of International and Security Studies (CEJISS), however, found considerable links between private prisons companies and immigration policies in the U.S. An example highlighted in the study is Arizona, where at least two private prison companies, CoreCivic and GEO, appeared to play a role in crafting immigration policy in Arizona.

    Arizona’s Senate Bill 1070 (SB1070) is aimed at preventing illegal immigration into the U.S. from the Arizona border to Mexico. Passed in 2010, SB1070, officially named Support Our Law Enforcement and Safe Neighborhoods Act, requires law enforcement officials to check the immigration status of a person they have “reasonable suspicion” of being "undocumented".

    30 of the 36 co-sponsors of the bill had received political contributions from the private prison industry, including from GEO and Core Civic.

    The law drew criticism because of its resemblance to “Stop and Frisk”, and the provision allowed officers to search individuals without a warrant based on “probable cause of unlawful presence.”


    When SB1070 was drafted, both CoreCivic and GEO were involved with the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), an organization that directly works with corporations to draft legislation at the state level.

    The private prison industry has accrued significant political influence by investing heavily in funding the campaigns of candidates from both sides of the aisle. Big names in politics have accepted thousands of dollars from the companies:

    Senators Ted Cruz (R-TX) and Lindsey Graham (R-SC), for example, received thousands of dollars from CoreCivic in 2018 alone. GEO Group gave money to additional Super PACs that backed Florida Republican politicians Sen. Marco Rubio and Reps. Brian Mast and Matt Gaetz. Democrat Rep. Henry Cuellar won reelection after taking $36,000 from the prison industry.

    The private prison industry has also devoted significant resources towards state and federal lobbying efforts. According to a CEJISS study, “Five separate iterations of the Private Prison Information Act have been introduced in Congress since 2005, and each bill has been defeated by vigorous lobbying efforts on behalf of the private corrections industry.”

    The Private Prison Information Act proposed in 2017 would have allowed for more transparency and oversight into how private prisons across the U.S. are managed. It was referred to the House Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, Homeland Security and Investigations but has not advanced to the floor for a vote since.

    Allen Orr, president of the AILA, explained that for-profit detention centers have contracts with the federal government, specifically ICE, that include a mandatory headcount quota in the detention centers.

    “Senators aren’t even allowed [in immigration centers], so lawyers are definitely not allowed in,” said Orr.

    CoreCivic and GEO have shareholders that profit from these corporations’ success. WellsFargo owns a large number of shares in CoreCivic.

    The five biggest shareholders of CoreCivic are The Vanguard Group, Fidelity/FMR LLC, State Street Corp., Blackrock and Prudential Financial Inc.
    JP Morgan owns approximately 2.25 percent of GEO, owning over a million shares in both CoreCivic and GEO.

    2018 filings with the Securities Exchange Commission (SEC), JP Morgan owns 202,953,903 shares in CoreCivic and 2,975,344 shares in GEO.
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    All Wars Are Banker Wars

    I wonder, Tax-Payers, who gives dirt-poor people money to travel thousands of miles, only to be part of that "mandatory head count".

    Solution[?]: keep FUNDING the FED, increase it perhaps, more police-state and military approaches along the border, which dishes out Tax-Payer money to these agencies/bankers to [cough cough] "fight back"?

    I wonder what would happen if these agencies/bankers/TheFed suddenly stopped getting funding. Would dirt poor-people still have the means/funds to even come here from afar?

    And now you see why I do not vote anymore, or look to .Gov to solve the very problems that it creates.

    @Anti Federalist

    Take other people's rightful Private Property via Eminent Domain? Restrict MY right to travel freely? And the host of other anti-BoR tactics which feed the goal of the WEF/Agenda2030? Riiiiiiight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    The federal government spends more on immigration enforcement than on any other federal enforcement agency in the country.
    That is a remarkable statistic.

    However, notice that the list of other enforcement agencies they use doesn't include the IRS. The 2021 IRS budget was $13.7 Billion, and the recent increase in their budget was $80 Billion over 10 years. So that would put it right up there with immigration enforcement.
    There is nothing to fear from globalism, free trade and a single worldwide currency, but a globalism where free trade is competitively subsidized by each nation, a continuous trade war is dictated by the WTO, and the single currency is pure fiat, fear is justified. That type of globalism is destined to collapse into economic despair, inflationism and protectionism and managed by resurgent militant nationalism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    All Wars Are Banker WarsI wonder, Tax-Payers, who gives dirt-poor people money to travel thousands of miles, only to be part of that "mandatory head count".
    Enemies of the Republic, who are financing these invaders in order to radically order and replace the existing body politic.

    It is an act of war.

    It is an invasion.

    We have a right to repel invaders.
    “Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.” - Arnold Toynbee

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) operates the largest immigration detention system in the world.

    The federal government spends more on immigration enforcement than on any other federal enforcement agency in the country.

    CoreCivic and GeoGroup (GEO) have acquired billions of dollars in revenue from the for-profit prison and detention center systems in the U.S. and abroad since the 1980s.

    CoreCivic, founded in 1983, is the largest private prison corporation in the world. The company owns and operates over 100 correctional and detention centers across the country. CoreCivic was the first company to design, build and operate a migrant detention facility in the U.S.

    GEO, the second largest private prison organization in the world, is a Florida-based company specializing in privatized corrections, detentions and mental health treatment. It also operates both prisons and migrant detention centers in the U.S. and abroad.

    Both companies are currently contracted by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to build, design and operate migrant detention facilities across the country.

    ICE heavily depends on the private sector in most aspects of immigrant detention.

    The agency told reporters from U.S. News that 72% of beds for migrant detention were in privately run facilities in 2016, up from 49 percent in 2009.

    According to USA Spending, since President Donald Trump took office, ICE has awarded over $480 million in federal funds to GEO and over $331 million to CoreCivic.

    An analysis from Bloomberg Government found the total fiscal spending in 2018 on immigration detention was $7.4 billion, a $2.1 billion increase since 2014.

    CoreCivic and GEO received boosts in total profit of $85 million and $121 million over that period.

    In 2018, CoreCivic reported $1.83 billion in revenue, almost half of which came from federal contracts with U.S. Marshals, the Bureau of Prisons, which also holds detained immigrants, and ICE. Contracts between CoreCivic and ICE account for 27 percent of the company’s revenue according to a financial report by the company.

    GEO runs 14 ICE detention centers with a combined capacity of 14,966 people. In 2017, GEO surpassed CoreCivic to become the largest operator of ICE facilities in the U.S., receiving over $500 million in contracts from ICE that year.

    A 2016 study from researchers at the entitled The Central European Journal of International and Security Studies (CEJISS), however, found considerable links between private prisons companies and immigration policies in the U.S. An example highlighted in the study is Arizona, where at least two private prison companies, CoreCivic and GEO, appeared to play a role in crafting immigration policy in Arizona.

    Arizona’s Senate Bill 1070 (SB1070) is aimed at preventing illegal immigration into the U.S. from the Arizona border to Mexico. Passed in 2010, SB1070, officially named Support Our Law Enforcement and Safe Neighborhoods Act, requires law enforcement officials to check the immigration status of a person they have “reasonable suspicion” of being "undocumented".

    30 of the 36 co-sponsors of the bill had received political contributions from the private prison industry, including from GEO and Core Civic.

    The law drew criticism because of its resemblance to “Stop and Frisk”, and the provision allowed officers to search individuals without a warrant based on “probable cause of unlawful presence.”


    When SB1070 was drafted, both CoreCivic and GEO were involved with the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), an organization that directly works with corporations to draft legislation at the state level.

    The private prison industry has accrued significant political influence by investing heavily in funding the campaigns of candidates from both sides of the aisle. Big names in politics have accepted thousands of dollars from the companies:

    Senators Ted Cruz (R-TX) and Lindsey Graham (R-SC), for example, received thousands of dollars from CoreCivic in 2018 alone. GEO Group gave money to additional Super PACs that backed Florida Republican politicians Sen. Marco Rubio and Reps. Brian Mast and Matt Gaetz. Democrat Rep. Henry Cuellar won reelection after taking $36,000 from the prison industry.

    The private prison industry has also devoted significant resources towards state and federal lobbying efforts. According to a CEJISS study, “Five separate iterations of the Private Prison Information Act have been introduced in Congress since 2005, and each bill has been defeated by vigorous lobbying efforts on behalf of the private corrections industry.”

    The Private Prison Information Act proposed in 2017 would have allowed for more transparency and oversight into how private prisons across the U.S. are managed. It was referred to the House Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, Homeland Security and Investigations but has not advanced to the floor for a vote since.

    Allen Orr, president of the AILA, explained that for-profit detention centers have contracts with the federal government, specifically ICE, that include a mandatory headcount quota in the detention centers.

    “Senators aren’t even allowed [in immigration centers], so lawyers are definitely not allowed in,” said Orr.

    CoreCivic and GEO have shareholders that profit from these corporations’ success. WellsFargo owns a large number of shares in CoreCivic.

    The five biggest shareholders of CoreCivic are The Vanguard Group, Fidelity/FMR LLC, State Street Corp., Blackrock and Prudential Financial Inc.
    JP Morgan owns approximately 2.25 percent of GEO, owning over a million shares in both CoreCivic and GEO.

    2018 filings with the Securities Exchange Commission (SEC), JP Morgan owns 202,953,903 shares in CoreCivic and 2,975,344 shares in GEO.
    All of that is precisely why the fedgov will never do it's duty as demanded by the constitution.

    Why it will never stop the handouts.

    Why the "free market" wing of the ruling class is in favor of it.

    Cheap labor for Juan to play the Mexican bagpipes in their yards, and profits from the prison industrial complex.

    My solution would require no eminent land takings, would require no extra spending, in fact would save money, and would end the invasion in a week.

    But the system wants the invasion, so that will never happen.

    And by refusing to call it what it is, by failing to recognize the threat and what is happening, that makes you a tool of the system, complicit in its actions and a de facto supporter of their plans.
    “Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.” - Arnold Toynbee

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    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Man View Post
    That is a remarkable statistic.

    However, notice that the list of other enforcement agencies they use doesn't include the IRS. The 2021 IRS budget was $13.7 Billion, and the recent increase in their budget was $80 Billion over 10 years. So that would put it right up there with immigration enforcement.
    So remarkable that the validity and report source needs to be questioned.

    Here's a remarkable list of funders of MPI:

    https://www.migrationpolicy.org/about/funders

    Partial list:

    Carnegie Corporation of New York
    Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
    Catholic Legal Immigration Network, Inc.
    The Chicago Council on Foreign Relations
    Office of Refugee Resettlement, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services
    Ford Foundation
    Open Society Foundations
    The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation
    The Rockefeller Foundation
    U.S. Chamber of Commerce
    U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops Migration and Refugee Services
    World Bank
    Illinois Coalition for Immigrants and Refugee Rights
    World Health Organization
    That being said, beware the prison-industrial complex, along with all of the other complexes, like the Military Industrial Complex.

    Speaking of the MIC, here's some spending on Ukraine:

    Passage of the Senate will would bring the total funding for Ukraine approved by Congress up to approximately $65 billion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    So remarkable that the validity and report source needs to be questioned.

    Here's a remarkable list of funders of MPI:

    https://www.migrationpolicy.org/about/funders

    Partial list:

    Carnegie Corporation of New York
    Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
    Catholic Legal Immigration Network, Inc.
    The Chicago Council on Foreign Relations
    Office of Refugee Resettlement, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services
    Ford Foundation
    Open Society Foundations
    The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation
    The Rockefeller Foundation
    U.S. Chamber of Commerce
    U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops Migration and Refugee Services
    World Bank
    Illinois Coalition for Immigrants and Refugee Rights
    World Health Organization
    That being said, beware the prison-industrial complex, along with all of the other complexes, like the Military Industrial Complex.

    Speaking of the MIC, here's some spending on Ukraine:

    Passage of the Senate will would bring the total funding for Ukraine approved by Congress up to approximately $65 billion.

    Exactly.

    That is the "Revolving Door" that I have been speaking about. Stop ALL funding and watch most if not all of the problems go away. First, it requires awareness.
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    Maybe the Federal government should try not spending money that we do not have.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge



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    Maybe we should put the military on the border and shoot invaders.
    That would be a lot cheaper.
    It would save the money they cost when deployed overseas as well.

    Ron knew his stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Maybe the Federal government should try not spending money that we do not have.
    Wouldn't it be great if we raised more awareness and folks could rally around that in droves like we do for other things such as the Right to Life, School Choice, and other things. We [human beings] are constantly being used as pawns for profit against each other, always paying hard-earned money to bind our own shackles, destroying the very BoR we claim to want to protect.

    Murdering people without due process doesn't seem to fit with me. Neither does lining the pockets of the M(ilitary)IC / P(rison)IC / Bankers / WEF / NWO, etc., which will always find more pawns to further their goal/agenda, if we continue to ignore the root problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Maybe we should put the military on the border and shoot invaders.
    That would be a lot cheaper.
    It would save the money they cost when deployed overseas as well.

    Ron knew his stuff.
    I'll ask Ron if he approves of murder without due process the next time that I see him.

    Btw, have you ever shot and killed anybody before? Or do you sit on your couch behind your KB and have others do it for you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Wouldn't it be great if we raised more awareness and folks could rally around that in droves like we do for other things such as the Right to Life, School Choice, and other things. We [human beings] are constantly being used as pawns for profit against each other, always paying hard-earned money to bind our own shackles, destroying the very BoR we claim to want to protect.

    Murdering people without due process doesn't seem to fit with me. Neither does lining the pockets of the M(ilitary)IC / P(rison)IC / Bankers / WEF / NWO, etc., which will always find more pawns to further their goal/agenda, if we continue to ignore the root problem.



    I'll ask Ron if he approves of murder without due process the next time that I see him.

    Btw, have you ever shot and killed anybody before? Or do you sit on your couch behind your KB and have others do it for you?
    Ron said to put the military on the border, the military kills people for a living, they are not law enforcement and invaders do not get due process, they get shot.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Ron said to put the military on the border, the military kills people for a living, they are not law enforcement and invaders do not get due process, they get shot.
    Ron Paul is Christian. Real Christians don't shoot people who aren't shooting at them.

    Real Christians don't even advocate for others to do such things.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    Informative initial post. Thanks

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    So we're talking billions with barely an "s" on the end?

    I mean I know it adds up, just that I thought that defending our country's border was a much more expensive undertaking.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Does kinda tell you where their priorities are, doesn't it?

    For what it's worth though, I've never agreed with pubilc/private prison partnerships. If your business model depends on a steady supply of people breaking the law, well, there might be some sort of conflict of interest there.
    Last edited by nobody's_hero; 10-16-2022 at 08:49 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
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    The American gov seems to spend more of its trillion on wars/interventionism than on its actual southern borders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngryCanadian View Post
    The American gov seems to spend more of its trillion on wars/interventionism than on its actual southern borders.
    I know the OP is a lot of information to put the pieces of the puzzle together, but at least @nobody's_hero got the gist of what's going on concerning "public/private partnerships" and "mandatory head counts".

    So, you are advocating putting even more money into the "revolving door"?


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    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    So we're talking billions with barely an "s" on the end?
    From the first link in the OP, it was 18 Billion in 2012. I didn't click through all the links, so I'm not sure what it's up to now. I assume it's higher. How is that "billions with barely an 's'"?
    There is nothing to fear from globalism, free trade and a single worldwide currency, but a globalism where free trade is competitively subsidized by each nation, a continuous trade war is dictated by the WTO, and the single currency is pure fiat, fear is justified. That type of globalism is destined to collapse into economic despair, inflationism and protectionism and managed by resurgent militant nationalism.
    Ron Paul
    Congressional Record (March 13, 2001)

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngryCanadian View Post
    The American gov seems to spend more of its trillion on wars/interventionism than on its actual southern borders.
    That's true.

    But it's also true that those are not independent variables. They are in a symbiotic relationship. Each one feeds the other. Foreign intervention feeds into more refugees coming here. And protectionism provokes foreign countries to escalate conflict, which leads to more foreign intervention.

    We should cut both. And it doesn't matter which one we cut first, because cutting one will make cutting the other easier.
    There is nothing to fear from globalism, free trade and a single worldwide currency, but a globalism where free trade is competitively subsidized by each nation, a continuous trade war is dictated by the WTO, and the single currency is pure fiat, fear is justified. That type of globalism is destined to collapse into economic despair, inflationism and protectionism and managed by resurgent militant nationalism.
    Ron Paul
    Congressional Record (March 13, 2001)

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Ron Paul is Christian. Real Christians don't shoot people who aren't shooting at them.

    Real Christians don't even advocate for others to do such things.
    Bunk.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    This is war and conquest, they started it and we must end it.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  24. #21
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  26. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Bunk.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Yes, you make Jesus cry by distorting his teachings to support invasion and conquest.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  29. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Yes, you make Jesus cry by distorting his teachings to support invasion and conquest.

    Swordy, which side are you on?


    Last edited by PAF; 10-18-2022 at 08:45 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Swordy, which side are you on?


    I'm on the side of GOD who divided the nations at Babel to defeat the globalist tyrants of that day.
    It's clear which side you are on.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I'm on the side of GOD who divided the nations at Babel to defeat the globalist tyrants of that day.
    Then why don't you remove yourself from this continent which God gave to the Indians, until your ancestors helped the globalist tyrants of their day? Europe needs your help to restore its demographics to what you say God intended.

    Or is not being hypocritical something that holds no appeal?
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Then why don't you remove yourself from this continent which God gave to the Indians, until your ancestors helped the globalist tyrants of their day? Europe needs your help to restore its demographics to what you say God intended.

    Or is not being hypocritical something that holds no appeal?

    State/Fed tax payer money not needed... if he's broke I'd consider paying for his ticket - if he stays.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Then why don't you remove yourself from this continent which God gave to the Indians, until your ancestors helped the globalist tyrants of their day? Europe needs your help to restore its demographics to what you say God intended.

    Or is not being hypocritical something that holds no appeal?
    LOL.

    The Injuns didn't start here either, nor did almost any other people start where they are now.
    I don't have to give up my homeland to invaders just because other people in the past did.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

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    Isn't it funny how open borders advocates always resort to the same disingenuous talking points as the commies and globalists whose positions they are supporting?
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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