Prayer Is Meaningless With The Wrong Religion

[phill4paul]

I've said for years, and no one has listened to me, that there is a reason that the atheists and all the 'religious' people here are in league against me when I talk about the Biblical view of salvation. Many times, the atheists and the religious people have the EXACT same objections.

Imagine that.

[Sola_Fide]

I believe differently. One of the gratest beliefs I have is that you rejoice in bringing disharmony to a "Peace through Religion" forum.

In a sense your right. But every Christian loves when the truth of the Bible causes division among unsaved people, because without division, truth can never be.

Think about it, in an environment of unanimity, or an environment of subjectivity, how could one ever test his opinions to see what is true or defensible?

Clarity comes from opposition. How did you become a libertarian? Was it by continuing to watch Fox News every day? Or did someone create a division in your mind by linking you to a Rothbard article? Think about it.

[phill4paul]

I would rather a hundred athiests, agnostics, Muslims, Buddhists, peyote eating Natives, give me prayer to the creator than a single from yourself.

Don't ever do me that particular "favor."

[Sola_Fide]

Imagine that.

It's for a reason. Roman's chapter 9 explains it.

[Sola_Fide]

I would rather a hundred athiests, agnostics, Muslims, Buddhists, peyote eating Natives, give me prayer to the creator than a single from yourself.

Don't ever do me that particular "favor."

I'm sure you would.

[phill4paul]

It's for a reason.

There is a term. It's called "preaching to the wrong choir." And on these forums it surely shows that you are.

Do not tell me that my prayers will meet a soundless wall unless I believe as you do.

Many here have given prayer for me, or more directly my mother and father.

And I'm so grateful for it. The prayer carried not just me, but them.

So, no, I'm not gonna let you disparage the prayers of my friends on these forums as useless.

In fact, I'm going to ask that this thread be closed.

[Sola_Fide]

There is a term. It's called "preaching to the wrong choir." And on these forums it surely shows that you are.

Do not tell me that my prayers will meet a soundless wall unless I believe as you do.

Many here have given prayer for me, or more directly my mother and father.

And I'm so grateful for it. The prayer carried not just me, but them.

So, no, I'm not gonna let you disparage the prayers of my friends on these forums as useless.

In fact, I'm going to ask that this thread be closed.

If you believe that God wants every person equally to be saved, Jesus died for every person, and God gives the exact amount of grace to every person.... Why pray for them to be saved or change?

What more can God do? He's already doing everything He can.

[Sola_Fide]

In fact, I'm going to ask that this thread be closed.

Why? You want Fox News to be the only channel available? I thought you had more integrity than that.

[VIDEODROME]

I'm not elect so I'm going to Hell. Maybe I should follow and pray to Satan.

Thanks Sola for turning me onto the dark lord of Hell and devil worship.

[phill4paul]

Why? You want Fox News to be the only channel available? I thought you had more integrity than that.

If a white supremacist came unto these forums with the thread title "Ya'll got it wrong. n i ggers is n i ggers and that's how it is. Don't be a n i ggers lover because that is false."

Yep. That's pretty much where you have gone with your bull$#@!.

And why I asked for the thread to be closed.

[RJ Liberty]

Looks like SF's account has been restricted again. That didn't take long.

[phill4paul]

Looks like SF's account has been restricted again. That didn't take long.

Never asked for an account restriction. Just that this thread was closed.

I have too many friends here, from all walks of personal belief, that said prayers for my dad when he broke his hip. That said prayers for me.

I'm sorry, don't care who you are, but you are not gonna take their heartfelt calls for mercy away from me.

[RJB]

You must be a prophet. Considering his history, he's been relatively behaving himself compared to past sprees that he's had. I've never seen anyone banned and brought back so often. Sola should be a Hindu as often as he re-incarnates on this forum.

[Suzanimal]

I'm not elect so I'm going to Hell. Maybe I should follow and pray to Satan.

Thanks Sola for turning me onto the dark lord of Hell and devil worship.

I wasn't elected, either. Hopefully, there's a write in option.

[Anti Federalist]

Plot Twist:

Sola and Truth Warrior aka Ronin Truth turn out to be the same guy.

[specsaregood]

I'm not elect so I'm going to Hell. Maybe I should follow and pray to Satan.

Thanks Sola for turning me onto the dark lord of Hell and devil worship.

I think if one actually believed what he claims to believe it would be incredibly freeing. Of course, I think his posts here indicates that he doesn't really believe it.

[VIDEODROME]

I'm still not totally sure what he's trying to accomplish except gloating over the damned. Almost a Godly Sadism.

[euphemia]

Hope the door didn't hit him on the way out.

[RJ Liberty]

I'm still not totally sure what he's trying to accomplish except gloating over the damned. Almost a Godly Sadism.

Sadism, yes; but I don't think there's anything godly about SF. He twists the Bible into his personal interpretations, ignoring the most important teachings, including the Golden Rule.

[Schifference]

One thing is for sure. The forum is more active when he is around.

[jllundqu]

I actually can respect this amount of ignorance from the OP. According to SF, I am LITERALLY going to burn in hell for eternity... so for people that believe that, I can respect them trying to 'save' me from my evil ways. Any Christian that doesn't try to proselytize and convert the wicked isn't really a Christian... lmao.

That being said, I will pray to whatever gods may be, the universe, or Joe Pesci if I choose. I don't believe in the 'holy trinity', original sin, or any of the other nuanced and heavily edited tales from the bible.

[Lamp]

[Jamesiv1]

I wasn't elected, either. Hopefully, there's a write in option.

Option? Whoa. That suggests we need a poll, which is always good and wholesome.

[euphemia]

Never asked for an account restriction. Just that this thread was closed.

I have too many friends here, from all walks of personal belief, that said prayers for my dad when he broke his hip. That said prayers for me.

I'm sorry, don't care who you are, but you are not gonna take their heartfelt calls for mercy away from me.

And here's the difference: God is always at work. Our job in prayer is to join where he is acting.

[otherone]

Sadism, yes; but I don't think there's anything godly about SF. He twists the Bible into his personal interpretations, ignoring the most important teachings, including the Golden Rule.

The Golden Rule isn't biblical (as far as I know). I enjoy this forum because I learn quite a bit. I enjoy Sola as long as he debates. Arguments are healthy. There is a wealth of knowledge among the devout here. Sola, Ter, Natural Citizen, Donnay, Moostraks, HB, Superfluous Man, and many others that I've failed to mention are excellent resources.
It's difficult for me to appreciate someone's opinion when it is cloaked in insults or demeaning language. For me, it's a red flag, telling me that the poster's views don't hold up on their own merit. Inflammatory posts invite inflammatory responses, and apologetics are lost in personal exchanges. FWIW.

[pcosmar]

Aw, missed him again.. and this thread he started with such contradiction..

that is a logical knot that needs untying .

Prayer is pointless to predestination,, as it literally everything else.
It is set and unchangeable and nothing can be done about it.
You have no choice in anything and your prayer will make no difference to preordained events.

Pretty freakin' sad.

and I have noticed a distinct lack of joy in those that ascribe to this idea.

Quite the opposite of what he claimed in the OP.

[bunklocoempire]

Why do universal atonement, free will advocates pray for others?

In your view, Jesus has died for every man, and God has given the exact amount of grace to every person. God equally wants every person to be saved.

So why do you pray for them to be saved? What more can God do? Apparently, He has already done everything He can do. He can't violate their wills, right? That would be wrong of God to do, right? So why pray for people?

Prayer doesn't make sense in the universal atonement, free will religion.

Translation: I have peace through the miracle of faith in Jesus Christ, just not sure how to best relate that to other sinners -saved sinners or not.

Law and Gospel? No problem. Being all things to all people (relating) while delivering Law and Gospel? That is something I struggle with too.

[RJ Liberty]

The Golden Rule isn't biblical (as far as I know).

Matthew 7:12:
Do to others what you want them to do to you. This is the meaning of the law of Moses and the teaching of the prophets.

Luke 6:31:
And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.

Leviticus 19:18:
Love your neighbor as you love yourself.

Galatians 5:14:
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

This is just a short list.

[otherone]

Matthew 7:12:
Do to others what you want them to do to you. This is the meaning of the law of Moses and the teaching of the prophets.

Luke 6:31:
And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.

Leviticus 19:18:
Love your neighbor as you love yourself.

Galatians 5:14:
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

This is just a short list.

Thank you for the correction!

[ChristianAnarchist]

Posting one's religious belief is meaningless if that belief is that nothing you do will change your destiny...