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Not relevant to you. Relevant to me. If you don't like what I post then put me on ignore. You know the reason I get along great with @AntiFederalist even though he doesn't have a politically correct bone in his body? Because he doesn't have a politically correct bone in his body. He says what he thinks and I respect that. He also doesn't try to control what other people say or think and I respect that too. Go back to whatever Stalinist politically correct cave you crawled out from under.
Every fact in any story is relevant. Only a communist would think otherwise.
Edit: But this is why I find it relevant. There is a lot of distrust between police and the black community. This man was doing his part to break down that distrust and he got shot and killed in the process. That's a sad irony. And while I will give the police the benefit of the doubt based on "fog of war", I can understand those who don't. An honest mistake cost a man his life. There is a police officer right now doing 12 1/2 years for a mistake.
Last edited by jmdrake; 06-20-2020 at 06:23 AM.
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
Agree totally about @AntiFederalist.
He & I can agree or disagree & still have decent dialog & grow from each other's POV. No, I don't always agree with him but, yes, I'll stand beside him any day if he needs me.
There is no spoon.
You can think whatever you want, I just pointed out how your headline is misleading. Too bad the chip on your shoulder is too big to see that.
There is a lot of mistrust between the black community and police and the white community at large specifically because of misleading headlines like this. It makes people think that a black man got killed just because he's black. Things like that give the impression that cops are a bunch of white racists who are going around committing genocide against blacks. It's incredibly irresponsible for the media to try and make people believe that, and is going to be directly responsible for starting a race war. That man didn't get killed for trying to break down that trust, he got killed because he had a change of heart and decided to start shooting at the police.
I was wondering why I didn't get these notifications...after all these years I just found out there is "AntiFederalist" with no space as a member. Was here one day back in 2007 and never logged in again...I'll have to see if Brian can delete that member name..I may have missed quite a bit of PMs and notifications.
At any rate, the feeling is mutual...we're all still trying to secure and much liberty as we can in an unfree world.
“Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.” - Arnold Toynbee
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I've probably not read enough on this and I'm so tired of all this $#@! that I'm losing interest, but the one thing I did read sounds like people were outside the restaurant peacefully but "unlawfully" eating some of his barbeque , in violation of curfew --
so some LEO goons accompanied by National Guardsmen started shooting them up with "pepperballs" to disperse them from their unlawful BBQ dining. And people started to flee inside, in a panic as a result.
Whatever source of info on this I read seemed to believe that maybe he heard the pop of the guns shooting the "pepperballs" and thought that someone was firing upon his restaurant with real rounds, and he (foolishly) reacted by firing towards what he thought was the source of that.
I don't know if this is true, but if so, it may be just another case of law enforcement needlessly escalating a nothing situation, resulting in tragedy.
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
Was the store owner black? Yes. Did he give the police free food? Yes. So there is nothing misleading about my headline. If you want to apologize for your false accusation I accept., If you call my insistence on accuracy a "chip" then you can go fly a kite for all I care.
I'm curious. Why do you insist on lying? Just curious.There is a lot of mistrust between the black community and police and the white community at large specifically because of misleading headlines like this.
Only to someone who can't read.It makes people think that a black man got killed just because he's black.
Edit: And if you think this story is why there is distrust of police, then you really are clueless. We just watched a police officer choke a man to death over a period of 8 minutes. And in 2014 when police killed a grandmother in a no knock raid on the wrong house, the planted marijuana on her dead corpse to try to justify her killing. That is why nobody white or black should blindly trust the police.
Last edited by jmdrake; 06-20-2020 at 05:17 PM.
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
I think that is exactly what happens in cases like this - and many others. There was an excellent and persuasive entry at the Slate Star Codex blog analyzing the dynamics of this phenomenon. The title of the post is "The Toxoplasma of Rage."
Here's a link to that 2014 article at the Wayback Machine: https://web.archive.org/web/20200217...lasma-of-rage/. (The reason for the Wayback link is that the author of the Slate Star Codex blog just recently deleted all the content at the site because the New York Times was going to run an article which would have doxxed him. There's an explanation of that situation here: slatestarcodex.com.)
Section III of the article references the Michael Brown and Eric Garner incidents (which were relatively recent at the time) as examples of what the author is talking about. PETA, the War on Terror, and controversial rape allegations are also cited as examples.
It's a bit long (but not too long - about a 20-or-so minute read), and it's definitely worth checking out. Here are the closing paragraphs:
FTA: The Toxoplasma of RageUnder Moloch, everyone is irresistibly incentivized to ignore the things that unite us in favor of forever picking at the things that divide us in exactly the way that is most likely to make them more divisive. Race relations are at historic lows not because white people and black people disagree on very much, but because the media absolutely worked its tuchus off to find the single issue that white people and black people disagreed over the most and ensure that it was the only issue anybody would talk about. Men’s rights activists and feminists hate each other not because there’s a huge divide in how people of different genders think, but because only the most extreme examples of either side will ever gain traction, and those only when they are framed as attacks on the other side.
People talk about the shift from old print-based journalism to the new world of social media and the sites adapted to serve it. These are fast, responsive, and only just beginning to discover the power of controversy. They are memetic evolution shot into hyperdrive, and the omega point is a well-tuned machine optimized to search the world for the most controversial and counterproductive issues, then make sure no one can talk about anything else. An engine that creates money by burning the few remaining shreds of cooperation, bipartisanship and social trust.
Imagine Moloch looking out over the expanse of the world, eagle-eyed for anything that can turn brother against brother and husband against wife. Finally he decides “YOU KNOW WHAT NOBODY HATES EACH OTHER ABOUT YET? BIRD-WATCHING. LET ME FIND SOME STORY THAT WILL MAKE PEOPLE HATE EACH OTHER OVER BIRD-WATCHING”. And the next day half the world’s newspaper headlines are “Has The Political Correctness Police Taken Over Bird-Watching?” and the other half are “Is Bird-Watching Racist?”. And then bird-watchers and non-bird-watchers and different sub-groups of bird-watchers hold vitriolic attacks on each other that feed back on each other in a vicious cycle for the next six months, and the whole thing ends in mutual death threats and another previously innocent activity turning into World War I style trench warfare.
(You think I’m exaggerating? Listen: “YOU KNOW WHAT NOBODY HATES EACH OTHER ABOUT YET? VIDEO GAMES.”)
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The Bastiat Collection · FREE PDF · FREE EPUB · PAPER Frédéric Bastiat (1801-1850)
- "When law and morality are in contradiction to each other, the citizen finds himself in the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense, or of losing his respect for the law."
-- The Law (p. 54)- "Government is that great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else."
-- Government (p. 99)- "[W]ar is always begun in the interest of the few, and at the expense of the many."
-- Economic Sophisms - Second Series (p. 312)- "There are two principles that can never be reconciled - Liberty and Constraint."
-- Harmonies of Political Economy - Book One (p. 447)· tu ne cede malis sed contra audentior ito ·
update -
Ballistic reports show that a 9 mm Jimenez handgun McAtee dropped in the doorway after he was hit by gunfire had been fired at least twice that night, Brown said. Casings from two bullets fired from the weapon were recovered near the door.
https://www.courier-journal.com/stor...rd/5328470002/
Okay. More context.
https://www.courier-journal.com/stor...rs/3135804001/
If he shot at anything it wasn't at police. It doesn't appear he was aiming at anyone. Again I don't blame the police. Fog of war and all that. But I don't blame the victim either. People on the right praise the Korean shop owners for protecting their businesses with guns in the L.A. riots. But in this case the gun owner is accused of "shooting at the police" when even the police don't say that.
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
"Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
"Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
"Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
"Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
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9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
"Guy known to be super friendly to cops shoots at cops for no reason and gets justifiably killed by the Godly and Holy State" - Half of RPFs as soon as the state is harming non-whites.
What the $#@! is wrong with you people? Good rule of thumb: The state is the bad guy. $#@!ing always.
In New Zealand:
The Coastguard is a Charity
Air Traffic Control is a private company run on user fees
The DMV is a private non-profit
Rescue helicopters and ambulances are operated by charities and are plastered with corporate logos
The agriculture industry has zero subsidies
5% of the national vote, gets you 5 seats in Parliament
A tax return has 4 fields
Business licenses aren't a thing
Prostitution is legal
We have a constitutional right to refuse any type of medical care
In New Zealand:
The Coastguard is a Charity
Air Traffic Control is a private company run on user fees
The DMV is a private non-profit
Rescue helicopters and ambulances are operated by charities and are plastered with corporate logos
The agriculture industry has zero subsidies
5% of the national vote, gets you 5 seats in Parliament
A tax return has 4 fields
Business licenses aren't a thing
Prostitution is legal
We have a constitutional right to refuse any type of medical care
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
Agreed, and I'd go further than highly unlikely if there is a phrase. It was unfortunate but McAtee should not have gone out on the porch. Even if he didn't have a gun, which according to the pic he did, he should have never gone outside. I have a ton of sympathy for him.
I just found out that Slate Star Codex is back online (with an explanation/update HERE).
And strangely, the Wayback Machine archive is "temporarily offline."
So here's the once-again-available original of "The Toxoplasma of Rage" at SSC.
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