Inside the mind of a "law and order" Republican

[Anti Federalist]

Words have meaning, someone who believes government should not do anything is an Anarchist look it up.

I have.

Many times.

Anarchy, in its most strict sense, is a state of existence in which there are no rulers.

Origin and Etymology of anarchy:

Medieval Latin anarchia, from Greek, from anarchos having no ruler

c : a utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anarchy

[Swordsmyth]

And yet there is a campaign to red bar Zippy. LMAO.

Zippy frequently opposes the goals of this site and Dr. Ron Paul.

[Ender]

Not when the problem was that government failed to do something it should.

BULL$#@!. Your special little "me, me, me, mine, mine, mine, now, now, now" problem was created by government.

[Ender]

Zippy frequently opposes the goals of this site and Dr. Ron Paul.

No- he just looks at all sides- and he's NEVER called anybody on the forum names.

[phill4paul]

If you read the rest of this thread you will see that I want less police and less laws....

What's your Min/Max?

[Anti Federalist]

If you read the rest of this thread you will see that I want less police and less laws, but some people run around demanding that we should have none.

The answer to your question depends on your exact location in this continent wide nation, some places are others are not.

Yes, I read the whole thread and your responses...I don't abandon threads and, since I was able to post this in GP and not in the dungeon, it's nice to actually get some responses and to talk about this.

In the areas that are not, which are those and why?

[Swordsmyth]

I have.

Many times.

Anarchy, in its most strict sense, is a state of existence in which there are no rulers.

Origin and Etymology of anarchy:

Medieval Latin anarchia, from Greek, from anarchos having no ruler

c : a utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anarchy

Utopian Means fantasy.
b : a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority the city's descent into anarchy

[Swordsmyth]

Yes, I read the whole thread and your responses...I don't abandon threads and, since I was able to post this in GP and not in the dungeon, it's nice to actually get some responses and to talk about this.

In the areas that are not, which are those and why?

They are the areas with less police and less laws, generally they have lower populations and tend towards the conservative end of politics, this description also explains th why.

[Anti Federalist]

Utopian Means fantasy.
b : a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority the city's descent into anarchy

Heavier than air flight was generally regarded as utopian fantasy.

Until it wasn't.

Don't you want a world where you are accountable to, and must comply with, no man but yourself?

[Anti Federalist]

They are the areas with less police and less laws, generally they have lower populations and tend towards the conservative end of politics, this description also explains th why.

So, areas with less police and less laws are more free?

In other words, less government = more freedom.

[Swordsmyth]

What's your Min/Max?

That is a very complex question, but I will try to give some simplistic rough answers.

Min: The Old west, not including progressive cities like Dodge where the citizens were denied their 2nd amendment rights.
Max: This one is harder but it would probably be somewhere around the 1900s and 1910s.

[Swordsmyth]

Heavier than air flight was generally regarded as utopian fantasy.

Until it wasn't.

Don't you want a world where you are accountable to, and must comply with, no man but yourself?

Until God purges the world of evil and brings us his Kingdom I do not, the weak among us need to be protected from the strong.

[phill4paul]

Zippy frequently opposes the goals of this site and Dr. Ron Paul.

He really doesn't. If you can site something then go ahead.

[Swordsmyth]

So, areas with less police and less laws are more free?

In other words, less government = more freedom.

To a point, if you decrease government below that threshold Tyrants and criminals will seize control and impose excessive government upon you and you will then have very little freedom.

[Ender]

Most have an incorrect definition of anarchy.

This one is how most "anarchists" see it:

Anarchy
Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr.

Writes Bruce Bartlett: “I note The Economist’s definition of anarchy: ‘Anarchy means the complete absence of law or government. It may be harmonious or chaotic.’

“While it is good to see the magazine concede that anarchy may be harmonious, it errs in saying that it necessarily means an absence of law. It is the absence of government only. Law can continue to function.”

https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/anarchy/

[Swordsmyth]

No- he just looks at all sides- and he's NEVER called anybody on the forum names.

He really doesn't. If you can site something then go ahead.

On this thread he opposed an audit of the fed and the gold standard:
Trump Meeting with John Allison: Wants to abolish Federal Reserve and return to Gold

And that is just the easiest one I can remember

[phill4paul]

That is a very complex question, but I will try to give some simplistic rough answers.

Min: The Old west, not including progressive cities like Dodge where the citizens were denied their 2nd amendment rights.
Max: This one is harder but it would probably be somewhere around the 1900s and 1910s.

I guess you are going to have to explain yourself by being a little bit more involved.

Can you give me 2 paragraphs of at least 125 characters each each explaining and defending your Min/Max?

[Mike4Freedom]

To a point, if you decrease government below that threshold Tyrants and criminals will seize control and impose excessive government upon you and you will then have very little freedom.

Tyrants amd criminals are nothing without a legion of uniformed soldiers. The uniforms give them legitimacy. This is far more dangerous then letting man be man and decide his own fate.

At least with the mafia, they left you alone after you paid your "protection money"

[Ender]

On this thread he opposed an audit of the fed and the gold standard:
Trump Meeting with John Allison: Wants to abolish Federal Reserve and return to Gold

And that is just the easiest one I can remember

Again- Zip looks at all sides of the question & brings them into the conversation. I've never been bothered by it because it saves me from having to go there myself.

[Anti Federalist]

To a point, if you decrease government below that threshold Tyrants and criminals will seize control and impose excessive government upon you and you will then have very little freedom.

Like....what we have now.

[Ender]

Like....what we have now.

Beat me to it.

[Swordsmyth]

I guess you are going to have to explain yourself by being a little bit more involved.

Can you give me 2 paragraphs of at least 125 characters each each explaining and defending your Min/Max?

No any more detail would require a lot more words than that. Law and government are extremely complex and the philosophical ground has already been well trodden, you shouldn't need me to lay out a whole legal code in order to understand.

[Anti Federalist]

Until God purges the world of evil and brings us his Kingdom I do not, the weak among us need to be protected from the strong.

The strong and powerful skate.

The weak and helpless go to prison.

[Swordsmyth]

Like....what we have now.

Beat me to it.

Or much worse, and unlike what we had in the beginning, and yes I know we had problems from the start but they were minimized.
You can't get perfection in this life, you could get better than we have or even better than what we started with, but as I pointed out Anarchy will bring you what we have or worse in short order.

[phill4paul]

No any more detail would require a lot more words than that. Law and government are extremely complex and the philosophical ground has already been well trodden, you shouldn't need me to lay out a whole legal code in order to understand.

And you replied earlier that my neg rep was not warranted. Lol.

[Ender]

Or much worse, and unlike what we had in the beginning, and yes I know we had problems from the start but they were minimized.
You can't get perfection in this life, you could get better than we have or even better than what we started with, but as I pointed out Anarchy will bring you what we have or worse in short order.

Maybe you ought to read a little more Heinlein:

"An armed society is a polite society."
-Robert A. Heinlein

[Swordsmyth]

The strong and powerful skate.

The weak and helpless go to prison.

In our current state of thing many do, but not all.
And you are only looking at the top of the food chain many big mean criminals go to prison where they belong, and where they can't burglarize or mug geeks and little old ladies.

[Swordsmyth]

Maybe you ought to read a little more Heinlein:

"An armed society is a polite society."
-Robert A. Heinlein

I want an armed society but not everyone is proficient in the use of arms.

[phill4paul]

Maybe you ought to read a little more Heinlein:

"An armed society is a polite society."
-Robert A. Heinlein

Reading links is not his forte. Responding in non-subject matter and personal attacks is more his style.

[Anti Federalist]

Until God purges the world of evil and brings us his Kingdom I do not, the weak among us need to be protected from the strong.

What do you think of Romans 13?